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Virtually all siblings fight at some point in the real world, but in Avatar some sibling rivalries are taken to a whole new level. In this battle, many of the siblings of Avatar will face off in two teams to settle their rivalries once and for all

Team 1: Azula, Tonraq, Suyin, Iroh, Mako, Kya and Bumi

Team 2: Zuko, Unalaq, Lin, Ozai, Bolin, Tenzin

Fighters are in character and determined to win. All teams will work together and have spent a day practicing together.

Tenzin and Bumi have gliders, Lin and Suyin have armor and cables. Tonraq, Unalaq, and Kya each have 2 water pouches (more water will be available)

Azula is not insane. This is teenage Zuko. Other than that, end of season versions of all characters.

Fight takes place at the spirit portals in the Spirit World, where Wan fought Vaatu. Each team starts at one of the portals. It is perpetual twilight. No Sozin's Comet. Victory by KO or death.

Which sibling team will win?

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#2  Edited By Arcus1

Bump. Any thoughts?

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#3  Edited By Pierpat

So.......

The sibilings will probably go for each other.

So........

Azula>Zuko

Tonra<=Unalaq

Suyin<Lin

Iroh=>Ozai

Mako>Bolin

Kia and Bumi<=Tenzin

I normally hate watering down team battles to single match ups, but in this case it's obvious it would split up this way.

So..... team 1 wins.

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@pierpat:

Any reasons for the victors of the individual match-ups?

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As I have not watched any Korra since book 2. Plus I didn't pay much attention to Book 2 when i was watching it. Therefore, My completely irrational and biased pick is: Team 1. Any team with Iroh and Bumi wins. Adding Azula makes it a stomp.

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@pooty: this isn't King Bumi, it's Tenzin's brother. He's an air bender now

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@arcus said:

@pooty: this isn't King Bumi, it's Tenzin's brother. He's an air bender now

I was wondering why @pierpat said Kia/Bumi<= Tenzin. I was thinking " Bumi alone would STOMP Tenzin"!! has Tenzin done anything new or noteworthy in book 3?

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@pooty: yes, in one episode they turned him into a freaking beast who took on 3 of the 4 main bad guys at once. Not because they were bad, just because he was that good. You really should watch Season 3.

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#9  Edited By Pierpat

@pooty said:

@arcus said:

@pooty: this isn't King Bumi, it's Tenzin's brother. He's an air bender now

I was wondering why @pierpat said Kia/Bumi<= Tenzin. I was thinking " Bumi alone would STOMP Tenzin"!! has Tenzin done anything new or noteworthy in book 3?

LoL, i had your same doubt, but then i tought*sibiling fight? what the heck would king bumi be doing here? oh, of course, it must be that idiotic son of katara and aang!

@arcus I'll post a detailed analysis later, when i have some free time.

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#10  Edited By Pierpat

@arcus: Here i am!

Azula>Zuko

Not much to be said here.

Sane azula is simply outright better than zuko at any time, any day.

She is more agile(see black sun day for feats), more powerful, more skilled, more brutal, more cunning,hotter.

Tonra<=Unalaq

We've seen this, not alot to say. Unalaq, while being inferior physically, is a superior bender.

Suyin<Lin

More feats, and in their fight Lin was weakened and without her armor, that would be standard gear.

Iroh=>Ozai

Iroh is superior IMo, and the Ba sing se's walls smashing was a feat unmatched by any firebender in the show.And Ozai would try to cast lighting, and get shot back.

Mako>Bolin

Zap.

Kia and Bumi<=Tenzin

Tenzin has much more feats. He is crazy agile, and fast, while packing quite a punch.

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So many characters....hmmm.

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@pierpat:

Azula had two perfectly good chances to prove her undeniable superiority to Zuko after his dragon training. She didn't

Iroh doubted he could beat Ozai, I think that speaks for something

Lightning can be dodged, not to mention Bolin knows his brother's moves

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#13  Edited By Pierpat

@arcus said:

@pierpat:

Azula had two perfectly good chances to prove her undeniable superiority to Zuko after his dragon training. She didn't

Iroh doubted he could beat Ozai, I think that speaks for something

Lightning can be dodged, not to mention Bolin knows his brother's moves

Yeah, and mako knows bolins.

It boils down to who was more agile. And i think mako was.

Iroh is modest. Again, no firebender has ever done nothing like the ba sing se walls destruction.

Sane azula had not.

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@pierpat:

Fair enough

Iroh is modest, but he's not one to be unconfident in his abilities when it counts

She did at Boiling Rock and the air temple

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#15  Edited By Pierpat

@arcus said:

@pierpat:

Fair enough

Iroh is modest, but he's not one to be unconfident in his abilities when it counts

She did at Boiling Rock and the air temple

Boiling rock was not long enough honestly

Air temple was a short stealmate and at boiling rock zuko had sokka helping.

And in both occasions the setting was limiting azula's mobility, that is superior's to zuko.

So.... yeah Azula is still better than zuko.

He did not want to fight his bro, so i think all the other excuses do not matter that much.

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@pierpat:

In their previous fights Azula had dominated Zuko from the beginning. At Boiling Rock and the Air Temple, she didn't dominate. They were evenly matched. Yeah, Sokka was there, but did he really do anything except get in the way? My point is, if Azula was clearly and significantly better than Zuko, we would have seen it in those fights.

I doubt Iroh had that much affection for Ozai. The guy burned, banished, and traumatized Zuko, who's like a son to Iroh, declared him and Zuko traitors, and locked him away in prison. Not to mention all the horrible things Ozai did in general. Iroh probably wouldn't be happy to fight him, but he would do it for the greater good. The only reason he didn't was because it had to be Aang.

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Tough pick. My gut gives it to team 1 in a challenging battle.

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Tough pick. My gut gives it to team 1 in a challenging battle.

Why do you think team 1?

@lunacyde said:

So many characters....hmmm.

Who do you think?

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Team 2

Just an overall advantage

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Team 2

Just an overall advantage

Anything in particular giving them that advantage?

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Team 1. Better numbers. And so many good benders all on the same team is slight overkill.

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I can't choose, its so balanced.

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@deathhero61: team 1 only has one more bender. You think team 2 doesn't have good benders too?

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@arcus: Most are about equal, except Tenzin and Unalaq have a rather distinct advantage

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#29  Edited By VenomousDragon

Team two

Bolin is a lava bender

Zuko dispite popular opinion is just as good as azula and arguably has greater feats of destructive power.

Unalaq down right proved he was better

Lin and her sister are about the same

Ozai probably isn't as good as iroh but it's hard to say because he has no unenhanced feats

Bumi is a non factor and kya looked over matched against zaheer who got manhandled by tenzin when they fought 1 v 1 so I'd say tenzin dominates here.

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Azula v Zuko=azula(agility, speed.....she's just better than zuko who was stakemating an insane azula)

Tonraq v Unalaq=unalaq(unargueable)

Suyin v Lin= Lin(fighting suyin when sick and weak and was still beating her/stalemating her)

Iroh v Ozai= Iroh( ozai has no feat exept for being amped and tossing aang but got whooped by avatar)

Mako v bolin= mako(while bolin can lava bend mako an thrust himself up and zap bolin instant k.o)

kya and bumi v tenzim= tenzin unargueable

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Azula v Zuko=azula(agility, speed.....she's just better than zuko who was stakemating an insane azula)

Tonraq v Unalaq=unalaq(unargueable)

Suyin v Lin= Lin(fighting suyin when sick and weak and was still beating her/stalemating her)

Iroh v Ozai= Iroh( ozai has no feat exept for being amped and tossing aang but got whooped by avatar)

Mako v bolin= mako(while bolin can lava bend mako an thrust himself up and zap bolin instant k.o)

kya and bumi v tenzim= tenzin unargueable

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@gizmorino:

Suyin was also holding back in that fight

So which team do you see winning?

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#33  Edited By VenomousDragon

@gizmorino: he overmatched an insane azula, he wasn't even breaking a sweat and she was breathing heavily, he unleashed the only attack that had to be dodged and could not be deflected, he landed the only fair blow, if not for katara he would have shot her buns full of her own lightning.

There was no stalemate.

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@venomousdragon well she still better than him she is 10 I give him 9.5 or 9 that is how I see them.

@arcus I see a damn stalemate here seriously they are on par with each other since I see 3 winners each so there is no gonna be a double teaming on 1 person at best

Azula v Zuko=azula(agility, speed.....she's just better than zuko who was stakemating an insane azula)

Tonraq v Unalaq=unalaq(unargueable)

Suyin v Lin= Lin(fighting suyin when sick and weak and was still beating her/stalemating her)

Iroh v Ozai= Iroh( ozai has no feat exept for being amped and tossing aang but got whooped by avatar)

Mako v bolin= mako(while bolin can lava bend mako an thrust himself up and zap bolin instant k.o)

kya and bumi v tenzim= tenzin unargueable

unalaq, lin and tenzin[team 2] will go against iroh, mako, and azula[team 1]

and since mako is a weak link team2 might take a difficult win.

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@gizmorino: I see very little actual evidence that she is better after the Dragon training, Hell he did better against at the end of book two against katara than she did.

@arcus: he stalemated her at the air temple, when there was nothing wrong with her.

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@venomousdragon: yeah I know that, but that's not the same as destroying her

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@venomousdragon: my point is that she is slightly better than him IMO i feel she still beats him. And @arcus: beating 4 white lotus members after getting your bending with speed, agility, and skill is enough to say he is average and beating kya and tonraq with (tied-up) korra makes him master- level so yeah he should be able to take care of them, before he got bending zuko said he can take down any bender 1-1 and he even did well when bursting p'li... So i think he is little notch below master level even though tenzin 'taught him a lesson..(lol)'

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@gizmorino:

Oh he's definitely an extremely capable fighter, but considering how easily Tenzin handled him he still has some stuff to learn before being a master. He's very effective at using air as a weapon, but he hasn't mastered the finer points imo

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#40  Edited By VenomousDragon

@arcus: I don't think I said anything of the sort

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@venomousdragon: looking back I realized my mistake, I saw your post about Zuko beating Azula in the Agni Kai but didn't realize you were addressing Gizmorino's post saying that Zuko was stagnating Azula in the Agni Kai, so I thought you were trying to say Zuko was flat out better than Azula. My mistake

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#42  Edited By VenomousDragon

@gizmorino: that your point has no base in actual fact is my point.

The closest it comes to it is zuko saying he would need katara's help but that could just be him assuming so because he had never beaten her before

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@venomousdragon: how does it not have a base fact or fact...... Just how does it not have a base or fact?

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@gizmorino: because your just stating it, you give no evidence for your stance (not that there is any), evidence points to them being about equal after the Dragon training.

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@venomousdragon: fair enough. But zuko has no real/actual feat after dragon training, he never realy faced anybody after his training just an insane azula which you said he was dominating and insane azula is not as good as sane azula.

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@gizmorino: no he has a few after Dragon training, including stalemating a sane azula.

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imo too close to call, at first i wanted to say team 1, then team 2, but then i can't decide. XD

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@pierpat said:

So.......

The sibilings will probably go for each other.

So........

Azula>Zuko

Tonra<=Unalaq

Suyin<Lin

Iroh=>Ozai

Mako>Bolin

Kia and Bumi<=Tenzin

I normally hate watering down team battles to single match ups, but in this case it's obvious it would split up this way.

So..... team 1 wins.

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@aressword: how do you think the battle will go after those individual matches?