Avatar Aang and Avatar Korra vs Nightcrawler and Storm

• Morals on
• 30 minuets prep
• battle takes place on a ship
• Avatar Aang is in avatar state
• Everyone is in original armor/clothing set
• Win by knockout
• Avatar Korra can not use the avatar state and avatar aang can not come out until the end of the battle
• Backups for Avatars are Toph or Katara Backups for Nightcrawler and storm are Kitty Pride
• Backups can only be used once

Edit: On the avatar team Azazel is now fighting against nightcrawler and storm with korra and aang

Morals off? team 2.

Though I am a huge fan of Avatar. Storm is extremely powerful and Aang in avatar state might not be able to redirect lightning.

Korra is weak so far in the series. Also you have Jean Grey as a backup? Jean Grey can solo Toph Katara Aang and Korra.

Team 2. I also see some potential solo for the mutants, especially with morals off (i.e. - visor removal, phasing out hearts or into the walls of the ship, speed 'porting off body parts, or barraging the battle field with multiple massive lightning bolts).

Nightcrawler alone could take out team 1. Having Storm and the backups is overkill.

I have turned the morals on and took cyclops off as a backup to make things harder for team 2

@livinghorror said:

Jean is in this fight?

she was but he changed it.

Bump

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Okkkkkkkk

Morals on may be a tough fight...but Avatar Aang could still take them both.

@Iamlovewithin500 This was made some time ago. Like 3 months ago I just happened to find it. Since Korra can air end now I decided to re I've it.

Nightcrawler could take Korra with ease. Once he is done with her, Storm (with minimal help from Kurt) take out the Avatar.

Team Avatar

Aang can easily re-direct Lightning..

Azazel mind controls them or simply tele-kicks them in the face. Neither has any idea how to fight someone like him.

And Storm? Pfft! Not even going there.

The mutants would win. Neither avatar can handle Storm's lightning and neither has a faced a teleporter, especially one who has the strength to one-shot KO them.

Both teams get locked by the mods.

Doesn't Team Avatar just bloodbend and break every joint in team 2 bodies?

This seems like a stomp for avatar.

Before or after Azazel either telefrags them or mind controls them into killing each other?

The only reason avatar team would take this fight is because Azazel poops all over his son kurt

@Roddy010 said:

@onilordasmodeus said:

Doesn't Team Avatar just bloodbend and break every joint in team 2 bodies?

This seems like a stomp for avatar.

Neither Avatar knows to bloodbend besides they'' be struck by lightning before they move a muscle.

Aang redirects lightning, and by extension so does Korra. And I realize niether blood bended in the show, but I see know reason at all why niether with Avy state on couldn't do so.

@Roddy010:

I hate being categorized, 1.

2. lightning is lightning no matter how it's drawn. Aang would redirect it all the same.

3. I can see why you'd say speculation on whether they could blood-bend or not, but that fact of the matter is, blood-lusted, Avatar state Aang/Korra should have no problem doing it. In fact, Korra can un-blood-bend in non-avy state, so I'm sure she an blood bend if the will was there.

Also, what is stoping either of them from bending Storm or kurt and taking their mutant abilities away? Aang bends men's, and women's, souls, and Korra can do the same. Either can screw them up internally either physically, mentally, and/or spiritually.

@Roddy010 said:

@onilordasmodeus: lightning is lightning no matter how it's drawn. Aang would redirect it all the same

False lightning has degrees and joules of power that can be ranked in intensity. (from a small static shock to five billion joules of concussive electrical energy). Aang only redirected one lightning bolt and even that drained.

Lightning is lightning, like I said. Different bolts may carry different amounts of energy but that is niether here nor there as lightning is lightning. Regardless of the different amounts of energy that a bolt could carry, Ozai's lightning shattered boulders while Azula's created craters. The scans you provided showed Storms lightning hitting people, but yet I doubt any of them died, and one showed her strike a plane and all it did was go through its ceiling. I'm sure she has better showings than that but it really doesn't matter as Aang has shown that he can take a lightning bolt straight up without the Avy state, and keep fighting.

And yes Aang did reel from taking in the lightning, but that was his first time, and he was a young boy, and, again, he wasn't in the avatar state.

I can see why you'd say speculation on whether they could blood-bend or not, but that fact of the matter is, blood-lusted, Avatar state Aang/Korra should have no problem doing it. In fact, Korra can un-blood-bend in non-avy state, so I'm sure she an blood bend if the will was there.

No one in the Avatarverse was shown to bloodbend before Hama and she taught to Katara and it spread on from there. Neither Aang nor Korra have shown this ability any so it's irrelevant. All you have to go by is speculation when Storm has 50+ years of canon feats that shows she can end them both. Where are Korra and Aang's bloodbending feats?

You are right that its started with Hama, but what does that matter? Who undid the bloodbending within Korra? Aang. Aang also overpowered the supposed strongest bloodbender ever through the avatar state? Aang. I'll add that to be able to out bend a person's bending, you have to be "stronger" and better than them at it (shown numerous times throughout the series). Aang's propencity toward non-violence is part of the reason we see never see Aang go beyond what we see him do. If he wanted to though, if he wanted to kill, he could; he could do what ever he wants...what ever was shown in the entirety of the series. Metal bend, blood bend, create ice, create vaccums, whatever.

Also, as I said, Aang should have no problem taking away storm's ability to use her powers or worse. He bends life energy. If he's blood lusted he'd just lobotomize her through bending effectively ending her.

@onilordasmodeus said:

@Roddy010 said:

@onilordasmodeus: lightning is lightning no matter how it's drawn. Aang would redirect it all the same

False lightning has degrees and joules of power that can be ranked in intensity. (from a small static shock to five billion joules of concussive electrical energy). Aang only redirected one lightning bolt and even that drained.

Lightning is lightning, like I said. Different bolts may carry different amounts of energy but that is niether here nor there as lightning is lightning. Regardless of the different amounts of energy that a bolt could carry, Ozai's lightning shattered boulders while Azula's created craters. The scans you provided showed Storms lightning hitting people, but yet I doubt any of them died, and one showed her strike a plane and all it did was go through its ceiling. I'm sure she has better showings than that but it really doesn't matter as Aang has shown that he can take a lightning bolt straight up without the Avy state, and keep fighting.

And yes Aang did reel from taking in the lightning, but that was his first time, and he was a young boy, and, again, he wasn't in the avatar state.

I can see why you'd say speculation on whether they could blood-bend or not, but that fact of the matter is, blood-lusted, Avatar state Aang/Korra should have no problem doing it. In fact, Korra can un-blood-bend in non-avy state, so I'm sure she an blood bend if the will was there.

No one in the Avatarverse was shown to bloodbend before Hama and she taught to Katara and it spread on from there. Neither Aang nor Korra have shown this ability any so it's irrelevant. All you have to go by is speculation when Storm has 50+ years of canon feats that shows she can end them both. Where are Korra and Aang's bloodbending feats?

You are right that its started with Hama, but what does that matter? Who undid the bloodbending within Korra? Aang. Aang also overpowered the supposed strongest bloodbender ever through the avatar state? Aang. I'll add that to be able to out bend a person's bending, you have to be "stronger" and better than them at it (shown numerous times throughout the series). Aang's propencity toward non-violence is part of the reason we see never see Aang go beyond what we see him do. If he wanted to though, if he wanted to kill, he could; he could do what ever he wants...what ever was shown in the entirety of the series. Metal bend, blood bend, create ice, create vaccums, whatever.

Also, as I said, Aang should have no problem taking away storm's ability to use her powers or worse. He bends life energy. If he's blood lusted he'd just lobotomize her through bending effectively ending her.

These battles have been done enough times on CV to know that Storm alone can beat anyone from the avatarverse. With her lightning she would wreck them alone, and so would Nightcrawler. Both Korra and Aang are outclassed by Storm in raw power and they have no defense to her lighnting.

1) Lightning redirection is pointless and will not save Aang and Korra can't do it anyway.

Aang barely redirected a single bolt from Ozai. He won't be able to redirect Storm's significantly more powerful and LARGER lightning bolts, let alone 10 bolts hitting both him and Korra at the same time. Not only does he not have the reaction speed to handle Storm's bioelectric bolts (no bending moves to signal what's coming from her) or sky lightning (impossible for him to know where the bolts will be angling from), her bolts can be so big that his attempt to redirect it would be pointless:

Roddy's plane scan already shows a huge bolt of lightning that Storm did not WANT to destroy the plane. She used the bolt to electrocute Colossus. In this scan above she wanted to destroy the Blackbird, and easily did it from thousands of miles away. Neither Korra or Aang can handle this lightning.

The avatar state will not help Aang with lightning AT ALL. He still has normal human durability and Storm's lightning can as large or as intense as she wants it to be.

2) Neither avatar can do blood-bending so it not even be raised as an argument here. They cannot metal bend, generate lightning, or bend blood. These techniques were not known to any of the avatars according to the show, and speculation is not a plausible or accepted argument in the battle forum.

3) Aang CANNOT remove Storm's powers. At All. His energy bending to remove Ozai's powers will NOT work on someone who's powers derive from her genetics.

I am a HUGE avatar fan and have been in these debates multiple times, and it seems that speculation is the go to option for how people think Aang or Korra could win. Storm is more powerful than the avatar, has advantages in her powerset that they cannot countering and will have a hard time dodging, and has the ability to counter all of their attacks. Even IF an avatar could blood bend, unless they killed her immediately, they would not stop her from accessing her powers and taking them out anyway.

The avatars lose.

@THUNDERBOLT30:

We seem to be thinking/talking about to different things...erm, characters. I'm not talking about Aang as a kid fighting Storm, I'm talking about adult Aang. Adult Aang lived in a time where metal benders, blood benders, and the use of lightning grew to be common place. There is no reason to believe that he could not do these things. Seeing as how the ones who invented/proliferated there use were his closest freinds.

Also, saying that Aang "barely" redirected lightning seems like an attempt to slight his acomplishment. Aang in fact did redirect lightning, and he did so while consciously making the choice not to kill Ozai. He didn't almost die doing it, in fact if you remember when he entered the fight with Ozai he wasn't 100% either physically or mentally, and even after he redirected the bolt he still was able to continue to fight. All this was done as a child, when he wasn't truly a master of but one type of bending, and with out the aid of the Avatar state.

"He wouldn't be able to react to 10 bolts?"

In the time it would take Storm to summon the storm she'd need, Aang could do a multitude of things like burrying himself in earth to protect himself, or even disrupt the clouds Storm would need to create these uber bolts in order to stop her at the source. Also, what is to stop him from attacking her directly with any number of air attacks? Aang can create sharp gusts of wind with the potential to do major physical harm like cut off a limb. Aang has many options in this fight that Storm has to worry about.

Lastly, Aang CAN disrupt her ability to use her powers. Like I said before, he can screw her up mentally, phyically, and spiritually through energy bending. Regardless if Storms powers are genetic (just like a bender's), their is also a mental aspect to the use of those powers, as well as the fact that mutant abilities are fueled by the users lifeforce. Energy bending deals with this mostly. Aang didn't take Ozai's bending by changing his genetic make up, he disrupted the flow of energy in his body as well as disrupted his mind...his soul. Given the opportunity he could do the same to Storm.

@onilordasmodeus said:

@THUNDERBOLT30:

We seem to be thinking/talking about to different things...erm, characters. I'm not talking about Aang as a kid fighting Storm, I'm talking about adult Aang. Adult Aang lived in a time where metal benders, blood benders, and the use of lightning grew to be common place. There is no reason to believe that he could not do these things. Seeing as how the ones who invented/proliferated there use were his closest freinds.

Also, saying that Aang "barely" redirected lightning seems like an attempt to slight his acomplishment. Aang in fact did redirect lightning, and he did so while consciously making the choice not to kill Ozai. He didn't almost die doing it, in fact if you remember when he entered the fight with Ozai he wasn't 100% either physically or mentally, and even after he redirected the bolt he still was able to continue to fight. All this was done as a child, when he wasn't truly a master of but one type of bending, and with out the aid of the Avatar state.

In the time it would take Storm to summon the storm she'd need, Aang could do a multitude of things like burrying himself in earth to protect himself, or even disrupt the clouds Storm would need to create these uber bolts in order to stop her at the source. Also, what is to stop him from attacking her directly with any number of air attacks? Aang can create sharp gusts of wind with the potential to do major physical harm like cut off a limb. Aang has many options in this fight that Storm has to worry about.

Lastly, Aang CAN disrupt her ability to use her powers. Like I said before, he can screw her up mentally, phyically, and spiritually through energy bending. Regardless if Storms powers are genetic (just like a bender's), their is also a mental aspect to the use of those powers, as well as the fact that mutant abilities are fueled by the users lifeforce. Energy bending deals with this mostly. Aang didn't take Ozai's bending by changing his genetic make up, he disrupted the flow of energy in his body as well as disrupted his mind...his soul. Given the opportunity he could do the same to Storm.

Uh no...we are talking about adult Aang with the avatar state from the new show with Korra. Yes, he loses to Storm:

- It does not matter how common place metal bending, lightning generation or blood bending has become. You have ZERO proof that any of the avatars learned these abilities. And even if they did, HE STILL LOSES. What you have is nothing more than conjecture, which is not permitted in battles. You have to have ACTUAL PROOF that he can do what you claim. I can state that since Storm's bloodline has latent magic, and since her ancestors were powerful sorceresses, she can also access these abilities to destroy Aang and Korra with a wave of her hand :-/....but we can't because she hasn't used magic (except for one time) so I can't make claims based on what I THINK she should be able to do, or what she could potentially do. Battles would be pointless if we are permitted to introduce theory and speculation rather than facts.

- His redirecting a bolt is irrelevant. I'm not trying to sully Aang's skill, but you can't prove what you are claiming by ASSUMING he can do the same against an opponent who is superior to everyone Aang has encountered. Storm's lightning>>>>Ozai's lightning. The scans I posted to you show bolts so big it would easily cover both Aang and Korra and then some at the same time. You also have a scan of her hitting someone with lightning from multiple directions simutalneously. Since lightning redirection requires BOTH arms, how will Aang counter numerous bolts hitting him simultaneously? 5 bolts? 10 bolts? The answer - There is NO WAY Aang can counter an attack like that with only 2 arms, let alone the fact that her bolts can too big and are too powerful for his attempt at redirection to work.

- In response to the bold, you are completely incorrect.

1) Storm can summon lightning at the speed of thought. She can summon lightning in an instant. It would not take her anytime to summon multiple bolts, as she has done this multiple times throughout her run in comics.

2) Storm DOES NOT require clouds to generate lighnting bolts. She can pull the electricity right out of the air with a thought.

3) Aang is NOT fast enough to react to lightning. In the avatar-verse everyone who generated lightning started performing the bending techniques to generate it. That's an easy clue as to what is about to happen and would give him timeto evade or be ready to redirect. Not to mention the build of electrical power. With Storm, Aang will not see it coming. All she has to do is think lightning and the bolt is formed and he is struck.

- Aang's air attacks would be pointless. Compressed air blasts, gale force winds, tornadoes, altering air pressure gradients, redirecting and countering energy, etc. are all things Storm has done with wind. She is more powerful and more skilled in that element. Her wind force is too powerful and her flight speed is greater than Aang's and she has great aerial agility.

And you must be kidding with the energy bending. There is no point in using this as an argument. You have no proof that energy bending effects a target's genes or that it can "disrupt" Storm's connection to her powers. And not only does Aang have to make physical contact with Storm to try this, which he won't be able to anyway, Aang would also risk having his life force over taken if Storm's will is greater than his. Ozai very nearly succeeded. And Storm HAS the actual feats to back up that she could potentially beat him.

Storm has Aang or Korra beat here. We have been giving you facts while you have been giving us nothing more than speculation. Without lightning( she she could still kill him with air, pressure gradients and KO'd superhumans with a thunderclap), it would be more of an interesting fight, but with that being on the table, there is no question that Aang would lose. And so would Korra.

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

It does not matter how common place metal bending, lightning generation or blood bending has become. You have ZERO proof that any of the avatars learned these abilities.

Similarly you have zero proof that he didn't. Remember that the world we were introduced into with Avatar, was one that had been engulfed in war for years and most of the most powerful benders had been killed or captured. Though metal bending, bloodbending, and all the rest were introduced primarily the characters that they were, that doesn't mean they had never ben discovered in the history of the avatar-verse.

But more to my point, those are all just types of bending that Aang would have strove to learn while maturing and becoming the best avatar he could. It's crazy to think that he would have in order to roll it all into the Avatar line if it hadn't already been, since he stayed close to all his friends who were the pioneers in their bending fields at that time, and also that they were his primary teachers in the first place.

Also, you can't equate Storm using magic to Aang using advanced bending because Aang was a bender and it was his job to become a bending master in all its forms. Storm used her storm abilities primarily as that was/is the defining aspect of her character.

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

The scans I posted to you show bolts so big it would easily cover both Aang and Korra and then some at the same time. You also have a scan of her hitting someone with lightning from multiple directions simutalneously. Since lightning redirection requires BOTH arms, how will Aang counter numerous bolts hitting him simultaneously? 5 bolts? 10 bolts? The answer - There is NO WAY Aang can counter an attack like that with only 2 arms, let alone the fact that her bolts can too big and are too powerful for his attempt at redirection to work.

Similarly to the previous quote, you can't prove that he can't redirect or counter Storm's big bolts. The gurth and intensity of the bolt is irrelevant as during the redirection process the benders body is just a conduit for the lightning's energy. In the series Iroh redirected natural lightning just like he did generated lightning, while Zuko absobed an uber bolt from Azula and lived, and Aang, as a child, took and redirected a bolt that could have destroyed solid stone and he kept on fighting (remember that at the time he wasn't even a master of either water or fire). Older Aang, having mastered both fire and water bending (the keys to lightning redirection,and his body having had years of training in those fields, shouldn't have a problem.

And multidirectional lightning isn't some huge thing especially with they aren't to the intensity of her bigger bolts. He doesn't need to redirect 10 bolts at a time since as instantaneous as Storms lightning could/can be, with a thought Avatar State Aang can engulf his body in the elements, all of them, in order to protect himself. It just depends of where he is in space.

To address your numbers:

1) So can AS Aang with air and the other elements

2) Uber bolts require Storms, shown in the scans you provided.

3) And you say Aang isn't fast enough to react to lightning? Iroh reacted to natural lighting, and Aang as a child reacted to Ozai's lightning at near point blank range. If that isn't good enough for you, in the Avatar State the Avatar isn't only conected with the past avatars, but the Earth itself. It was said that the Avatar is the Earth's spirit incarnate so I see no reason why the Avatar wouldn't have a full grasp on what is going on with HIS elements.

And just for the record, I never said energy bending affected genes, I said it affected the way that energy flowed in the body, the way the brain interacts with the body (mental), and the soul (life-force). Aang didn't erase the ability to bend from Ozai's body, he cut off Ozai from his ability to bend. While Storm's will is great and she can bend nature around her, she can also be bent by the spirit of the earth incarnate.

This argument all come down to who you like best it seems. I like both Storm and the Avatar, but it is insane to say that she is a better "air-bender" than Aang, espeically as Avatar State Aang, or that she is stronger and more knowledgable with the elements than the earth's spirit incarnate.

@onilordasmodeus said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

It does not matter how common place metal bending, lightning generation or blood bending has become. You have ZERO proof that any of the avatars learned these abilities.

Similarly you have zero proof that he didn't. Remember that the world we were introduced into with Avatar, was one that had been engulfed in war for years and most of the most powerful benders had been killed or captured. Though metal bending, bloodbending, and all the rest were introduced primarily the characters that they were, that doesn't mean they had never ben discovered in the history of the avatar-verse.

But more to my point, those are all just types of bending that Aang would have strove to learn while maturing and becoming the best avatar he could. It's crazy to think that he would have in order to roll it all into the Avatar line if it hadn't already been, since he stayed close to all his friends who were the pioneers in their bending fields at that time, and also that they were his primary teachers in the first place.

Also, you can't equate Storm using magic to Aang using advanced bending because Aang was a bender and it was his job to become a bending master in all its forms. Storm used her storm abilities primarily as that was/is the defining aspect of her character.

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

The scans I posted to you show bolts so big it would easily cover both Aang and Korra and then some at the same time. You also have a scan of her hitting someone with lightning from multiple directions simutalneously. Since lightning redirection requires BOTH arms, how will Aang counter numerous bolts hitting him simultaneously? 5 bolts? 10 bolts? The answer - There is NO WAY Aang can counter an attack like that with only 2 arms, let alone the fact that her bolts can too big and are too powerful for his attempt at redirection to work.

Similarly to the previous quote, you can't prove that he can't redirect or counter Storm's big bolts. The gurth and intensity of the bolt is irrelevant as during the redirection process the benders body is just a conduit for the lightning's energy. In the series Iroh redirected natural lightning just like he did generated lightning, while Zuko absobed an uber bolt from Azula and lived, and Aang, as a child, took and redirected a bolt that could have destroyed solid stone and he kept on fighting (remember that at the time he wasn't even a master of either water or fire). Older Aang, having mastered both fire and water bending (the keys to lightning redirection,and his body having had years of training in those fields, shouldn't have a problem.

And multidirectional lightning isn't some huge thing especially with they aren't to the intensity of her bigger bolts. He doesn't need to redirect 10 bolts at a time since as instantaneous as Storms lightning could/can be, with a thought Avatar State Aang can engulf his body in the elements, all of them, in order to protect himself. It just depends of where he is in space.

To address your numbers:

1) So can AS Aang with air and the other elements

2) Uber bolts require Storms, shown in the scans you provided.

3) And you say Aang isn't fast enough to react to lightning? Iroh reacted to natural lighting, and Aang as a child reacted to Ozai's lightning at near point blank range. If that isn't good enough for you, in the Avatar State the Avatar isn't only conected with the past avatars, but the Earth itself. It was said that the Avatar is the Earth's spirit incarnate so I see no reason why the Avatar wouldn't have a full grasp on what is going on with HIS elements.

And just for the record, I never said energy bending affected genes, I said it affected the way that energy flowed in the body, the way the brain interacts with the body (mental), and the soul (life-force). Aang didn't erase the ability to bend from Ozai's body, he cut off Ozai from his ability to bend. While Storm's will is great and she can bend nature around her, she can also be bent by the spirit of the earth incarnate.

This argument all come down to who you like best it seems. I like both Storm and the Avatar, but it is insane to say that she is a better "air-bender" than Aang, espeically as Avatar State Aang, or that she is stronger and more knowledgable with the elements than the earth's spirit incarnate.

I hope you realize that speculation, which is all you have been posting in this thread, is not permitted in the battle forums. You can't argue theories, or what should likely or possibly be, in battle forums. We can have this debate all day on Aang or Korra's page but in battle threads, you have to have factual proof, or come with a better argument based on facts.

You state that I can't prove that the avatars didn't learn blood bending, metal bending or how to conjure lightning when...

NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER DONE IT. AT ALL. IN ANY EPISODE. THERE'S YOUR PROOF.

Until it actually happens in the show, thus becoming a fact, you cannot state that Aang learned these techniques as an argument in battle threads.

And I already proved he can't redirect Storm's lightning, and that it wouldn't matter even if he could:

- I gave you several scans of massive lightning bolts that trump ANY showing of lightning in AVLAB and LOK that would be physically impossible for Aang to redirect. The bolts are too big. Aang has to direct the bolts through his chi flow, from his fingers, into his stomach area, and out the other finger tips, and avoid the heart while doing do it. They do not become full body conducters of electricity at all. That is also speculation. And even if he could receive lightning into any portion of his body, which he can't, the impact force could destroy him. Concrete+Earth or steel alloy blackbird jet>>>Aang's human durability.

- Because Aang can't grow extra arms multi-directional lightning would also be physically impossible for Aang to survive. He has no way to defend against such an attack, outside of a possible shield of earth. And don't think that just because Storm isn't incinerating the gene national with her lightning in that scan that her bolts cannot be more intense. Her lightning has vaporized her opponents into instant bones when she wants it to. Her bolts can be as intense as she wants them to be, up to the maximum heat that lightning can reach (about 60,000 degrees). Here are some example:

And Aang isn't "instantly" doing anything. There is no way he would be prepared to handle a lightning strike from Storm. He would have NO CLUE when the lightning is about to come at him. By the time he registers the bolt is there he would already be struck. Unlike Ozai, or any bender in AVLAB or LOK, Storm's powers are completely psionic and work at the speed she thinks it. No physical movement required. Everyone Aang has faced that generate lightning requires bending techniques to execute a bolt. Aang is given a visual queue of what is about to happen. He doesn't have that luxury with Storm. End of story.

To address your numbers:

1) Wrong. No he hasn't and no he can't. Aang has to perform bending techniques, including in the avatar state, to manipulate the elements. Even if the technique only requires 1 physical movement, that movement was required. That does not equal speed of thought.

2) Dude, don't even try to act like you know Storm as much as I do. I can prove eveything I am posting. You have yet to do so. Storm does not require a thundercloud to create big lightning bolts:

Needs storm clouds first :-/? Try again.

3) Firstly, Aang is not as skilled as Iroh when it comes to fire bending, let alone the high ending bending of generating lightning by only the most skilled fire benders, so I am not seeing the point of the comparison. Iroh would be in the same boat as Aang would be if he were in this battle, and Aang has to be the one to perform it for it count in this battle anyway. Secondly, as I aready explained above, Ozai performed the bending techniques needed to produce a lightning bolt. He performed physical movements to build a charge and then he directed the bolt. There is no comparison you will find in AVLAB that would equals the speed at which Storm can summon lightning. And Aang being connected to the earth wouldn't make one iota of difference in your argument as it is again, speculation as to how this connection would even alert him to what is about to happen, and then he would still need the reaction speed to counter it.

And again with the energy bending. you need to get passed it because it is mute and useless here. Storm's powers do not work the same way a bender's work. You have no proof that it would be effective, let alone the fact that he needs to physically touch Storm, which won't happen. Aang being the avatar and spirit of the earth means ZERO here. Storm has defeated the Trion, the spiritual embodiment of their dimension's elements. Spirits of an entire dimension>>> Spirit of a single planet). Why would Aang be anymore successful considering he has ZERO experience with contending with an opponent who also shares an ecopathic connection to the planet (on a physical, emotional, and spiritual level) she is on, and has defeated beings that are more powerful than Aang? And besides that, you are ignoring the fact that Ozai nearly defeated Aang when he removed his powers. His being the spirit of earth didn't mean it was easy for him to do ti considering how close Ozai came to corrupting Aang's spirit.

This does not come down to who I like better. If I think Storm loses then I have no problem stating so. In this case, she kicked Aang's or Korra's a$$es back on page 1.

And uh...Storm's control of air is greater than the avatars. There is no insanity to that statement. She has air feats that are greater than anything any avatar has done with air to date. By all means, you welcome to try and come up with an air based feat for any avatar that is superior to Storm's, or a showing of where the avatar automatically understands the elements better than anyone else even when they haven't shown it. I can save you time by telling you that you won't find one.

Aang being the avatar does not mean that he is automatically more powerful than Storm. I have no problem with Thor being more powerrful than Storm. It's not because he is a god. It is because he has feats and showings that PROVE he is way more powerful than she is. Stating that Aang is automatically more powerful than someone who has planetary level elemental feats where Aang (nor any avatar) has none is insanity IMO. Or more speculation actually.

I enjoyed our discussion :-), since I am a huge AVLAB & LOK fan, but unless you are prepared to give me proof of what you have been claiming then there is no point in replying and continuing this debate.

Bending is clearly a spiritual ability. The fact that two bending parents can have a non bending child proves the power to bend is not genetic. Aang being able to energybend a mutant's power away is 100% bunk.