#1 Edited by TabithaCucumber (41 posts) - - Show Bio

Atum targets The Vishanti and is out of control. It desires to eat them just like it did many others. Atum fights the Vishanti in space but within our solar system.

Who wins?

#2 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio
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@HAVICKGREEN said:

@TitsteR: perfect so you know of CYTTORAKS, the principalities are the 2nd strongest

Excellent! Alot of people here can't grasp the concepts of the Principalities and think of them below cosmic when in fact everything in cosmic is still bound by the principals of physical and innerdimensional logic. The Principalities are above fundamental principals which is why they are above cosmic and cosmic abstract concepts. They don't believe that Eternity up to Oblivion are fundamental concepts and that the Principalities are outside of them. And using the term 'Principality" is loosely defined. All of those entities, like the Beyonder are most notable known as Extra Dimensional consciousness.

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@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning said:

@HAVICKGREEN said:

@TitsteR: perfect so you know of CYTTORAKS, the principalities are the 2nd strongest

Excellent! Alot of people here can't grasp the concepts of the Principalities and think of them below cosmic when in fact everything in cosmic is still bound by the principals of physical and innerdimensional logic. The Principalities are above fundamental principals which is why they are above cosmic and cosmic abstract concepts. They don't believe that Eternity up to Oblivion are fundamental concepts and that the Principalities are outside of them. And using the term 'Principality" is loosely defined. All of those entities, like the Beyonder are most notable known as Extra Dimensional consciousness.

This is why it makes sense to place Living tribunal in 3rd place because of that logic. In Extra-Dimensional space, The Living Tribunal's powers are not the same as he were inside of the innerdimensional planes of existence. That's why in Extra-Dimension space, the Living Tribunal results to invoking powers of the Extra-Dimensional entities. For example when the Living Tribunal fought with Nebulos, he HAD to ask powers of the Faltine to defeat Nebulos and bypass the effects of the Polar Staff.

Why couldn't the Living Tribunal use his personal power to blink Nebulos out of existence?

Simply put: He couldn't. He was in the extra-dimensional space within the realm of Perilous. If he had fought Nebulos inside of the multiverse (Eternity's realm), best he could do was push out Nebulos back into the Extra-Dimension, but granted that he couldn't do that to Zom in the 1st place, suggest that even his own personal powers couldn't. The Living Tribunal is below the Principalities or better corrected; the Extra-Dimensional characters. Tribunal needed the help of Eternity, Ancient One, and Sorcerer Supreme Strange was because of this reason.

 
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#3 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

Therefore, Atum can not beat the Vishanti.

#4 Posted by Ohgawd (129 posts) - - Show Bio

That video is a bunch of fanboy piddle paddle.

#5 Posted by Hyperlight (6334 posts) - - Show Bio

the main threat would be his aunt..... but he can probably overcome them

#6 Posted by Hyperlight (6334 posts) - - Show Bio

both actually. his moth is gaea which is osthur's sister. but atums father is the demuirge, which is the creator/father of the elder gods

#7 Posted by KingUranus (218 posts) - - Show Bio

oshtur is closest to omnipotent. Atum can not win.

#8 Posted by Butcher_Pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ohgawd said:

That video is a bunch of fanboy piddle paddle.

#9 Edited by TheSecondOpinion (614 posts) - - Show Bio

The Vishanti could easily deal with Demogorge. They aren't simple ordinary Elder God level. They are above Elder Gods.

#10 Posted by Living_Monstrosity (428 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSecondOpinion said:

The Vishanti could easily deal with Demogorge. They are simple ordinary Elder God level. They are above Elder Gods.

Any proof that they are above Elder Gods? The Vishanti are nothing feat-wise.

#11 Posted by TheSecondOpinion (614 posts) - - Show Bio
@Living_Monstrosity said:

@TheSecondOpinion said:

The Vishanti could easily deal with Demogorge. They are simple ordinary Elder God level. They are above Elder Gods.

Any proof that they are above Elder Gods? The Vishanti are nothing feat-wise.

The feats are in War of the Seven Spheres. If we place Demogorge in that war, he would be the first thing to go down. 
 
Real fast. 
 
War of the Seven Spheres was taking place in a level of existence higher than Elder Gods. Slorioth himself was a threat to Eternity and the Elder Gods live inside Eternity. 
 
I highly doubt... No... I completely doubt Demogorge who is as powerful as the sun could do anything to threat Eternity, ever.
#12 Posted by ShootingNova (18704 posts) - - Show Bio

@Living_Monstrosity said:

@TheSecondOpinion said:

The Vishanti could easily deal with Demogorge. They are simple ordinary Elder God level. They are above Elder Gods.

Any proof that they are above Elder Gods? The Vishanti are nothing feat-wise.

Oshtur is an Elder God. She is more powerful than any other Elder God.

Hoggoth is supposed to be equal to an Elder God.

Agamotto seems to be weaker than the Elder Gods. His best feat is stalemating Galactus, but he needed to be in his own, personal realm to do that.

#13 Posted by TheSecondOpinion (614 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said:

@Living_Monstrosity said:

@TheSecondOpinion said:

The Vishanti could easily deal with Demogorge. They are simple ordinary Elder God level. They are above Elder Gods.

Any proof that they are above Elder Gods? The Vishanti are nothing feat-wise.

Oshtur is an Elder God. She is more powerful than any other Elder God.

Hoggoth is supposed to be equal to an Elder God.

Agamotto seems to be weaker than the Elder Gods. His best feat is stalemating Galactus, but he needed to be in his own, personal realm to do that.

Agamotto is the 1st Sorcerer Supreme. 
 
You should know what Dr. Strange could do to Galactus. Why can't Agamotto do better? 
 
Makes you wonder huh? 
 
Any Dr. Strange reader would tell you that Agamotto was toying with Galactus that whole time.
#14 Posted by ShootingNova (18704 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSecondOpinion: Dr. Strange is enhanced by the power of the Ancient One and he constantly invokes the spells of others, especially the Vishanti.

By feats though, Agamotto wouldn't be stomping Strange, at all.

And the Dr. Strange vs. Galactus was against a starving Galactus.

#15 Posted by ShootingNova (18704 posts) - - Show Bio

On-topic though, I see the Vishanti taking this. Oshtur alone is giving Atum a big run for his money. Adding in Hoggoth, they definitely overpower The Godeater. Adding in Agamotto, and the Demogorge gets stomped.

#16 Posted by CosmosTyrant (492 posts) - - Show Bio

Din't Atum beat every hell lord at the same time in there own dimension like nothing?

I'm going with Atum.

If some one will like to post some feats for The Vishanti.

#17 Posted by ShootingNova (18704 posts) - - Show Bio

@CosmosTyrant said:

Din't Atum beat every hell lord at the same time in there own dimension like nothing?

I'm going with Atum.

If some one will like to post some feats for The Vishanti.

Atum beat (and I believe with difficulty) one Elder God.

Oshtur alone is the most powerful Elder God. Hoggoth is supposed to be an equivalent to an Elder God, and Agamotto is the first Sorcerer Supreme.

The Vishanti, combined, have stalemated Shuma-Gorath, I believe.

#18 Posted by CosmosTyrant (492 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova: In there realm or Shuma own realm?

And they are not fighting in there own realm here, so i think he haves a chance.

#19 Edited by D3athstroke (4115 posts) - - Show Bio

@ShootingNova said:

@CosmosTyrant said:

Din't Atum beat every hell lord at the same time in there own dimension like nothing?

I'm going with Atum.

If some one will like to post some feats for The Vishanti.

Atum beat (and I believe with difficulty) one Elder God.

Atum eat and devoured all elder gods except 5

He spared Gaea and Oshtur other 3 run to other dimensions Chthon was killed but human hatred resurrected him

He stomps and devours vashanti without any trouble

#20 Posted by ShootingNova (18704 posts) - - Show Bio

@CosmosTyrant said:

@ShootingNova: In there realm or Shuma own realm?

And they are not fighting in there own realm here, so i think he haves a chance.

I'm not sure.

Not all three share the same realm. I believe they have different ones, especially Agamotto.

@D3athstroke: You mean the featless ones? I was referring to Set. Anyways, Chthon folded himself into another dimension and escaped, unless I was thinking of something else.

Oshtur is the most powerful Elder God/Goddess. Her tear created the first Sorcerer Supreme. Hoggoth alone is an equal to an Elder God. Agamotto has stalemated (some would say he was toying) with Galactus in his own realm.

The three combined have stalemated Shuma-Gorath, who is far beyond Atum.

#21 Posted by GhettoSwag (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Atum wins this..

Atum > set and chthon

Chthon/set >= Vishanti

#22 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7043 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the badass Atum or the one that got beaten by Thor?

#23 Posted by Killemall (18640 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this the badass Atum or the one that got beaten by Thor?

Going by the picture its the badass version rather than the albino slug version (is that what we are calling the 2 version now?? seems adequate).

The image in the OP is from Thor Annual 09 where the whole birth of Atum was explained in detail.

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Just wanted to put the barrier so i can make my case on the thread.

Classic era Atum, with limited in his feats of fighting the Elder Gods and Elder Gods only, had but 1 limitation, he was scared of his own power and liked the way he looked as Atum as opposed to Demuirge. He also has never been defeated and his entire history was limited to chasing away the elder gods and killing many, many of them, fighting and beating an amped up Set and resulting war killing the dinosaurs and a third fighting against Set , in his normal power level but inside his own dimension, which ended up with Set gets his heads torn out and thrown into different dimension.

In short what i am trying to say is, apart from the changed version of Atum who dies of Indigestation, Atum has never lost a fight in his classic version. Only limitation is his lack of feats , had Vishanti shown better feats i would have said Vishanti, they havent even as collective.

Its close, Vishanti are filled with big statements and hyperbole while Atum actually has feats.

#24 Posted by UserNameUnderConstruction (651 posts) - - Show Bio

Atum wins this..

Atum > set and chthon

Chthon/set >= Vishanti

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