depowerd tyrant
Atum The God Eater Vs Tyrant
Fully Powered Atum Vs Partially powerd tyrant. and atum doesnt get overloaded when absorbing things like other people do
Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants
"Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "
Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO...
But yea Atum is ahead of them all...
GBD
" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur."Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.
" Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Mutants? Then what You will say about MjJ,Rachel,X-Man,Scarlett Witch,Hyperstorm,Psi-Lord and couple others? ;)
" @"Colossus" said:odin is High Father"Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
" @GamorasBigDaddy said:" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...
Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad...
GBD
" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur." @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Odin is not an elder god.
" @Lance Uppercut said:Depowered Tyrant was taking it to Galactus until Morg interrupted him. And Surtur isn't even close to Elder God level. Rune King Thor scared the hell out of him, and you really think he's close to Elder God level?" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Either bring some actual evidence or stop posting entirely.
" @GamorasBigDaddy said:" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
No they would'nt, there about the same level...
Yea, I know he's not...
GBD
" @"Colossus" said:Once again, prove that Surtur is anywhere near Elder God level." @GamorasBigDaddy said:No they would'nt, there about the same level... Yea, I know he's not... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
" @GamorasBigDaddy said:" @"Colossus" said:Once again, prove that Surtur is anywhere near Elder God level. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:No they would'nt, there about the same level... Yea, I know he's not... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Do you know how things work when debateing or what?
Your the one that went against my statement & said it was wrong the proof is on you buddy...
So name some feats that show Surtur or Odin don't have a chance against them!
I'm sure you'll back out of it like usual...
GBD
" @Lance Uppercut said:The proof is on me? Years of canon back up my statements. You made the ludicrous statement that Surtur can take an Elder God. Either back it up, or concede. IF you can't post proof to back up said statement, then I'll take that as a win." @GamorasBigDaddy said:Do you know how things work when debateing or what? Your the one that went against my statement & said it was wrong the proof is on you buddy... So name some feats that show Surtur or Odin don't have a chance against them! I'm sure you'll back out of it like usual... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Once again, prove that Surtur is anywhere near Elder God level. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:No they would'nt, there about the same level... Yea, I know he's not... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Once again, name feats that even put characters like Odin or Surtur on par with guys like Zom. Y'know, the guy that had to be sealed away by the LT. Or even Dormammu. I eagerly await said evidence.
" @GamorasBigDaddy said:" @Lance Uppercut said:The proof is on me? Years of canon back up my statements. You made the ludicrous statement that Surtur can take an Elder God. Either back it up, or concede. IF you can't post proof to back up said statement, then I'll take that as a win. Once again, name feats that even put characters like Odin or Surtur on par with guys like Zom. Y'know, the guy that had to be sealed away by the LT. Or even Dormammu. I eagerly await said evidence. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Do you know how things work when debateing or what? Your the one that went against my statement & said it was wrong the proof is on you buddy... So name some feats that show Surtur or Odin don't have a chance against them! I'm sure you'll back out of it like usual... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Once again, prove that Surtur is anywhere near Elder God level. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:No they would'nt, there about the same level... Yea, I know he's not... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
LOL, you got nothing huh?!
I win again...
Get some facts or shutup...
I;ll post evidence when you do the same...
GBD
" @Lance Uppercut said:No seriously, I'm still waiting." @GamorasBigDaddy said:LOL, you got nothing huh?! I win again... Get some facts or shutup... I;ll post evidence when you do the same... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:The proof is on me? Years of canon back up my statements. You made the ludicrous statement that Surtur can take an Elder God. Either back it up, or concede. IF you can't post proof to back up said statement, then I'll take that as a win. Once again, name feats that even put characters like Odin or Surtur on par with guys like Zom. Y'know, the guy that had to be sealed away by the LT. Or even Dormammu. I eagerly await said evidence. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Do you know how things work when debateing or what? Your the one that went against my statement & said it was wrong the proof is on you buddy... So name some feats that show Surtur or Odin don't have a chance against them! I'm sure you'll back out of it like usual... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Once again, prove that Surtur is anywhere near Elder God level. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:No they would'nt, there about the same level... Yea, I know he's not... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
BTW, Tyrant still wins this.
" @GamorasBigDaddy said:" @Lance Uppercut said:No seriously, I'm still waiting. BTW, Tyrant still wins this. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:LOL, you got nothing huh?! I win again... Get some facts or shutup... I;ll post evidence when you do the same... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:The proof is on me? Years of canon back up my statements. You made the ludicrous statement that Surtur can take an Elder God. Either back it up, or concede. IF you can't post proof to back up said statement, then I'll take that as a win. Once again, name feats that even put characters like Odin or Surtur on par with guys like Zom. Y'know, the guy that had to be sealed away by the LT. Or even Dormammu. I eagerly await said evidence. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Do you know how things work when debateing or what? Your the one that went against my statement & said it was wrong the proof is on you buddy... So name some feats that show Surtur or Odin don't have a chance against them! I'm sure you'll back out of it like usual... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Once again, prove that Surtur is anywhere near Elder God level. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:No they would'nt, there about the same level... Yea, I know he's not... GBD "" @Lance Uppercut said:An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "" @GamorasBigDaddy said:Any proof or more of your bull ar usual! & yea Surtur would give any ElderGod a hell of a battle also...Depowered tyrant huh?! LOL you really need to get a clue... It;s just sad... GBD "" @"Colossus" said:Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur. Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted.""Atum>>>>>>>>>>Elder Gods>>>>>>>>High Fathers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Heralds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mutants "Odin is right there with the elderogods IMO... But yea Atum is ahead of them all... GBD "
Keep on waiting then. Back yourself up for once!!!
Man up why don't you...
GBD
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Depowered Tyrant had Galactus on his back and probably could have killed him. I've stated this before. Get over it.
" http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg Depowered Tyrant had Galactus on his back and probably could have killed him. I've stated this before. Get over it. "
That's your proof that Tyrant wins? LOL
First of all he had to use Big G's tech to add to his power to do this.
Second, he did;nt defeat him anyways...
Third. Alot of people have hurt Big G before & there nowhere near either of these guys class.
Forth. How sated was Big G here?
Fifth. I thought we where talking about posting evidence that ElderGods are way above Odin or Surtur?!Where's that?
Atum defeating several helllords is above this also...Skyfathers & HellLords alike are scared shitless of Atum, tyrant not so much.
Also look at Thanos fighting both Odin & Tyrant, Odin was more powerful & he would die horrible to Atum...
Next!!!
GBD
" @Lance Uppercut said:1. Your point? Tyrant is a master of technology, and utilized his abilities to gain an extra advantage. He was doing exceptionally well even before using tech." http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg Depowered Tyrant had Galactus on his back and probably could have killed him. I've stated this before. Get over it. "That's your proof that Tyrant wins? LOL First of all he had to use Big G's tech to add to his power to do this. Second, he did;nt defeat him anyways... Third. Alot of people have hurt Big G before & there nowhere near either of these guys class. Forth. How sated was Big G here? Fifth. I thought we where talking about posting evidence that ElderGods are way above Odin or Surtur?!Where's that? Atum defeating several helllords is above this also...Skyfathers & HellLords alike are scared shitless of Atum, tyrant not so much. Also look at Thanos fighting both Odin & Tyrant, Odin was more powerful & he would die horrible to Atum... Next!!! GBD "
2. No, he was intercepted by Morg. Who had the U.N. So once again, your point?
3. Name ten people who have hurt big G below the level of Tyrant and Atum
4. Never stated. But likely moderately fed.
5. I don't need proof. I'm not the one making stupid claims about Odin and Surtur being on the level of Elder Gods. You try to complain about people not backing up statements with facts, so where are yours.
Hell Lords like Mephisto are afraid of characters like Thanos, who need to amp to even fight Tyrant. And lose,. at that. No Hell Lord is on par with Tyrant. Not even their combined might would be enough. So post feats of Odin that can compare to the level of an Elder God, or I'll take that as a concession on your part.
" http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg Depowered Tyrant had Galactus on his back and probably could have killed him. I've stated this before. Get over it. "I don't belive that he could.
@Lance Uppercut said:
" Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur.Agree. Odin is a skyfather,but don't underestimate Surtur. He is in SF level too.
@Lance Uppercut said:
"Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted. "
No, he can't. De-powered Tyrant didn't show anything what could put him above Skyfather level and Atum is much more powerfull than Skyfathers.@"Colossus" said:
@"Colossus" said:
" An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "Agree.
@Lance Uppercut said:
" Rune King Thor scared the hell out of him, and you really think he's close to Elder God level? "
I belive he is.
" @GamorasBigDaddy said:" @Lance Uppercut said:1. Your point? Tyrant is a master of technology, and utilized his abilities to gain an extra advantage. He was doing exceptionally well even before using tech. 2. No, he was intercepted by Morg. Who had the U.N. So once again, your point? 3. Name ten people who have hurt big G below the level of Tyrant and Atum 4. Never stated. But likely moderately fed. 5. I don't need proof. I'm not the one making stupid claims about Odin and Surtur being on the level of Elder Gods. You try to complain about people not backing up statements with facts, so where are yours. Hell Lords like Mephisto are afraid of characters like Thanos, who need to amp to even fight Tyrant. And lose,. at that. No Hell Lord is on par with Tyrant. Not even their combined might would be enough. So post feats of Odin that can compare to the level of an Elder God, or I'll take that as a concession on your part. "" http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg Depowered Tyrant had Galactus on his back and probably could have killed him. I've stated this before. Get over it. "That's your proof that Tyrant wins? LOL First of all he had to use Big G's tech to add to his power to do this. Second, he did;nt defeat him anyways... Third. Alot of people have hurt Big G before & there nowhere near either of these guys class. Forth. How sated was Big G here? Fifth. I thought we where talking about posting evidence that ElderGods are way above Odin or Surtur?!Where's that? Atum defeating several helllords is above this also...Skyfathers & HellLords alike are scared shitless of Atum, tyrant not so much. Also look at Thanos fighting both Odin & Tyrant, Odin was more powerful & he would die horrible to Atum... Next!!! GBD "
1. My point is Galactus's ship is massively powerful & Tyrant would'nt have that against Atum
2. He never defeated him, that's the point only knocked him down, hell Thanos has done that & seemed to do more damage too.
3. 10?! Why do I have to name 10 people? Thanos has done same thing & looked better also. FantasticFour. Thor. It goes on...
5. Yes you need proof or your comments mean nothing...
LOL here that guys ALL the Helllords COMBINED could'nt defeat the depowered Tyrant! This statement shows how laughable you are & how little you know!
Odin has bigger feats then any ElderGod, that's a fact!
Tyrant here is'nt even Odin level never mind Atum level!!
GBD
" @Lance Uppercut said:1. Seemed to be proving you wrong in the scans" http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p21.jpg http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/SilverSurferv3108p22.jpg Depowered Tyrant had Galactus on his back and probably could have killed him. I've stated this before. Get over it. "I don't belive that he could.
@Lance Uppercut said:" Odin isn't anywhere close to elder god level. He has trouble with guys like Surtur.Agree. Odin is a skyfather,but don't underestimate Surtur. He is in SF level too.
@Lance Uppercut said:"Even Depowered Tyrant could take out Atum if he wanted. "
No, he can't. De-powered Tyrant didn't show anything what could put him above Skyfather level and Atum is much more powerfull than Skyfathers.@"Colossus" said:
@"Colossus" said:" An elder god would destroy surtur. Odin is not an elder god. "Agree.
@Lance Uppercut said:" Rune King Thor scared the hell out of him, and you really think he's close to Elder God level? "I belive he is. "
2. I didn't say anything about them being sky father level. I said neither of them are Elder God level. So far, no proof has been posted to the contrary.
3. Yes, yes he can. Once again, what feats does he have in comparison with Tyrant on any level?
4. Also agree
5. I saw nothing from RK Thor to garner such a rank.
"atum would be able to win against depowered tyrant but definitely not agaist a full powered tyrant "
That should be obvious to most...
GBD
1.My point is that this was a middle of the fight, not end of it.
3.Set and Chthon run to other dimension,because they were afraid of him. He defeated nameless (for me) Elder Gods. Depowered Tyrant didn't defeat anyone above powered-up Thanos.
5.I am not sure about it (I even made a thread RLT vs. Chthon and it didn't answer me on which level of power RLT was),but he is for sure much more powerfull than Skyfathers and this is "next level" in gods power.
" @Lance Uppercut said: 1.My point is that this was a middle of the fight, not end of it. 3.Set and Chthon run to other dimension,because they were afraid of him. He defeated nameless (for me) Elder Gods. Depowered Tyrant didn't defeat anyone above powered-up Thanos. 5.I am not sure about it (I even made a thread RLT vs. Chthon and it didn't answer me on which level of power RLT was),but he is for sure much more powerfull than Skyfathers and this is "next level" in gods power. "1. Seemed to be the end by the way Morg had to step in with the Ultimate Plot Devi-, er, Nullifier
3. Didn't defeat anyone? Once again, seemed to be taking it to Galactus before Morg stepped in.
5. I haven't seen any feats from Rune Lord Thor to make him an Elder God.Above Skyfather? Probably.
" @czarny_samael said:1.3. It is debetable. I need something more clear too belive in it." @Lance Uppercut said: 1.My point is that this was a middle of the fight, not end of it. 3.Set and Chthon run to other dimension,because they were afraid of him. He defeated nameless (for me) Elder Gods. Depowered Tyrant didn't defeat anyone above powered-up Thanos. 5.I am not sure about it (I even made a thread RLT vs. Chthon and it didn't answer me on which level of power RLT was),but he is for sure much more powerfull than Skyfathers and this is "next level" in gods power. "1. Seemed to be the end by the way Morg had to step in with the Ultimate Plot Devi-, er, Nullifier 3. Didn't defeat anyone? Once again, seemed to be taking it to Galactus before Morg stepped in. 5. I haven't seen any feats from Rune Lord Thor to make him an Elder God.Above Skyfather? Probably. "
5.It is still a big question for me. In my opinion he is, but it doesn't matter in this fight.
"he is not fully powerd "
I don't see Depowered Tyrant beating Odin, let alone Atum
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