Movie versions only. Who wins? They fight on Asgard. Thor stands up to the creature and the fight begins.
Aslan vs Thor
Didn't movie version of Aslan basically say he is God/Jesus in the 3rd movie, of Narnia and the "real" world? The book version seems to be based on the belief that they (God/Jesus) are the same being, and he created Narnia with a song and his "country" is most likely Heaven. I'm leaning towards him just because I'm pretty sure he is a form of The God.Movie versions only. Who wins? They fight on Asgard. Thor stands up to the creature and the fight begins.
Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.
what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient, immortal, can resurrect, breathe the breath of life, open portals and roar loud enough that nearly the entire world can hear it and be afraid. The implication of what he is, should be more than enough to draw a logical conclusion, and it's implied he is God, and thus Thor should lose based on that.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.
@Fortified_Hooligan said:And in the films, he showed he wasn't extremely powerful either. Thor will lay waste to all of Narnia with repeated lightning-imbued ground pounds, after he decimates the lion of course.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient.
@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Fortified_Hooligan said:what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient, immortal, can resurrect, breathe the breath of life, open portals and roar loud enough that nearly the entire world can hear it and be afraid.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.
The bold part explains it completely.
@LordOfAllHumans said:@The_Mayhem_Theory said:@Fortified_Hooligan said:And in the films, he showed he wasn't extremely powerful either. Thor will lay waste to all of Narnia with repeated lightning-imbued ground pounds, after he decimates the lion of course.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient.
@Lvenger said:@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Fortified_Hooligan said:what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient, immortal, can resurrect, breathe the breath of life, open portals and roar loud enough that nearly the entire world can hear it and be afraid.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.
The bold part explains it completely.
Having no feats and not showing extreme power are also attributed to the TOAA, so does that mean Thor can win that battle too?Oh for... I know Aslan is supposed to be a representation of Christ but there are no feats that Aslan has that can compare to what Thor has done in his movie. Thor takes this easily.
@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.@LordOfAllHumans said:@The_Mayhem_Theory said:@Fortified_Hooligan said:And in the films, he showed he wasn't extremely powerful either. Thor will lay waste to all of Narnia with repeated lightning-imbued ground pounds, after he decimates the lion of course.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient.@Lvenger said:@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Fortified_Hooligan said:what's to say that would take him down? he only died in the first movie because he sacrificed himself in Edmunds place. What was shown is that he was nigh-omniscient, immortal, can resurrect, breathe the breath of life, open portals and roar loud enough that nearly the entire world can hear it and be afraid.Whatever was implied about Aslan was not shown to be true about Aslan. No feats to compare against Thor's bulldozing of the frost giants. Thor via hammer to lion.
The bold part explains it completely.
Having no feats and not showing extreme power are also attributed to the TOAA, so does that mean Thor can win that battle too?Oh for... I know Aslan is supposed to be a representation of Christ but there are no feats that Aslan has that can compare to what Thor has done in his movie. Thor takes this easily.
Lately, I've attributed the fights in Thor to poor screenwriting.My memory of the Narnia films is spotty (I didn't even bother seeing Dawn Treader), but Thor wasn't any great shakes in his movie either.
@Edgeworth_11 said:Pretty much.Didn't movie version of Aslan basically say he is God/Jesus in the 3rd movie, of Narnia and the "real" world? The book version seems to be based on the belief that they (God/Jesus) are the same being, and he created Narnia with a song and his "country" is most likely Heaven. I'm leaning towards him just because I'm pretty sure he is a form of The God.Movie versions only. Who wins? They fight on Asgard. Thor stands up to the creature and the fight begins.
@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.
Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
All of TOAAs feats are just implied as what Aslan is, TOAA has not been shown doing anything, we just assume he did it and is all powerful because he is Marvels version of God. According to previous posters such feats are not comparable because they are not in the same vein as using lightning and killing frost giants. Now I will direct everybody to the battle rules which state feats are to be used to support logic, logically it does not matter what feats Thor has because in the 3rd movie Aslan basically admits to being God, the source material also makes reference to him being such and it's pretty clear across the board that the creator of Aslan meant for him to be God.TOAA does have feats. He created everything, including all the beings who are more powerful than Thor. Ergo, he beats Thor.
@CitizenBane said:The source material is irrelevant, seeing as this scenario can only draw from what occurred in the film.All of TOAAs feats are just implied as what Aslan is, TOAA has not been shown doing anything, we just assume he did it and is all powerful because he is Marvels version of God. According to previous posters such feats are not comparable because they are not in the same vein as using lightning and killing frost giants. Now I will direct everybody to the battle rules which state feats are to be used to support logic, logically it does not matter what feats Thor has because in the 3rd movie Aslan basically admits to being God, the source material also makes reference to him being such and it's pretty clear across the board that the creator of Aslan meant for him to be God.TOAA does have feats. He created everything, including all the beings who are more powerful than Thor. Ergo, he beats Thor.
It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
@LordOfAllHumans said:the film is based on the source material, Aslan is in both and does the same things in both, and he is God, in both.@CitizenBane said:The source material is irrelevant, seeing as this scenario can only draw from what occurred in the film.All of TOAAs feats are just implied as what Aslan is, TOAA has not been shown doing anything, we just assume he did it and is all powerful because he is Marvels version of God. According to previous posters such feats are not comparable because they are not in the same vein as using lightning and killing frost giants. Now I will direct everybody to the battle rules which state feats are to be used to support logic, logically it does not matter what feats Thor has because in the 3rd movie Aslan basically admits to being God, the source material also makes reference to him being such and it's pretty clear across the board that the creator of Aslan meant for him to be God.TOAA does have feats. He created everything, including all the beings who are more powerful than Thor. Ergo, he beats Thor.
@Lvenger said:There was literally no need for you to bring in a comic book Storm vs movie Thor argument. Seriously, don't do it again.It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Lvenger said:It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
Comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor. If movie Aslan claims to be God without having the feats to back it up, how does that make him any different from the folks in the psychiatric ward who claim the same thing?
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@Lvenger said:It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
And unfortunately, to prove that Aslan is more powerful than Thor, who has LOADS of proven feats than the simple ones Aslan has shown in the movie, you NEED to incorporate visuals in your argument. "Aslan is The God of Narnia," cool, but what puts him on Thor's level of power? Next to nothing, as he hasn't expressed any other abilities that rivals Thor's, other than the Breath of Life.
@LordOfAllHumans said:comic book Storm vs Thor argument.@Lvenger said:There was literally no need for you to bring in a comic book Storm vs movie Thor argument. Seriously, don't do it again.It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
Because he was written to be God, and that is the difference. He doesn't have feats in the book per say either, but it's simply what he was written to be. As I said before TOAA has no feats to back up his position either, but TOAA is all powerful per the writer. Comic book Storm has more feats than movie Thor, it can't be proven that, that makes her more powerful.@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Lvenger said:
It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
Comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor. If movie Aslan claims to be God without having the feats to back it up, how does that make him any different from the folks in the psychiatric ward who claim the same thing?
He is said to be "God", but with literally almost no feats to back that up, Thor smacks him around easily.
@LordOfAllHumans: Writers don't come into play during these battles, only what feats have been shown in the source material. Comic book writers often use PIS and BFR amongst other annoying plot devices that constrew the story. As such, these battles are decided via the feats that have been shown not by writer involvement.
in the source material Aslan created the stars, the earth, the sea the plants and animals with a song. How don't writers come into play? They don't come into play when it comes to how they tell a story, not about a characters origins. I only bring up writers because a writer created the character and that character was created to be God of both Narnia and the world were the sons of Adam come from.@LordOfAllHumans: Writers don't come into play during these battles, only what feats have been shown in the source material. Comic book writers often use PIS and BFR amongst other annoying plot devices that constrew the story. As such, these battles are decided via the feats that have been shown not by writer involvement.
then Thor can smack TOAA around too, by that logic.He is said to be "God", but with literally almost no feats to back that up, Thor smacks him around easily.
@LordOfAllHumans: Sorry I should have rephrased my last comment. Writers come into play in the sense that they provide the feats for which we base our arguments on but aren't involved in the battle. That's what I meant. And just because Aslan is said to be a representation of an all powerful deity doesn't mean he is. It's like saying if the bricks in the wall are small, the wall will be small which may not be the case if lots of small bricks are used. It's flawed logic that doesn't have any supporting evidence to back it up.
So you are saying that a being that God with a capital G, is not on Thor's level of power? You're right, a being like that would be above his power.@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Lvenger said:It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
And unfortunately, to prove that Aslan is more powerful than Thor, who has LOADS of proven feats than the simple ones Aslan has shown in the movie, you NEED to incorporate visuals in your argument. "Aslan is The God of Narnia," cool, but what puts him on Thor's level of power? Next to nothing, as he hasn't expressed any other abilities that rivals Thor's, other than the Breath of Life.
@Illuminatus said:
I had no idea people felt so strongly about the Chronicles of Narnia films.
Same crap rolls for Harry Potter and Twilight. =X
what feats? scans please.@Illuminatus said:@LordOfAllHumans: Absolutely not. TOAA has feats, Aslan does not. Simple, yet incomparable logic.
I had no idea people felt so strongly about the Chronicles of Narnia films.I don't feel strongly about it at all, it's simple logic something that seems to have been lost around here as of late.
If he is said to be the representation of an all powerful deity by the person that created him, then it does mean that. The logic that you are using to disprove it is flawed.@LordOfAllHumans: Sorry I should have rephrased my last comment. Writers come into play in the sense that they provide the feats for which we base our arguments on but aren't involved in the battle. That's what I meant. And just because Aslan is said to be a representation of an all powerful deity doesn't mean he is. It's like saying if the bricks in the wall are small, the wall will be small which may not be the case if lots of small bricks are used. It's flawed logic that doesn't have any supporting evidence to back it up.
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@The_Mayhem_Theory said:So you are saying that a being that God with a capital G, is not on Thor's level of power? You're right, a being like that would be above his power.@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Lvenger said:It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
And unfortunately, to prove that Aslan is more powerful than Thor, who has LOADS of proven feats than the simple ones Aslan has shown in the movie, you NEED to incorporate visuals in your argument. "Aslan is The God of Narnia," cool, but what puts him on Thor's level of power? Next to nothing, as he hasn't expressed any other abilities that rivals Thor's, other than the Breath of Life.
You're throwing it out of context.
@LordOfAllHumans: Exactly my point. People claim Aslan can do all sorts of things, but he has yet to do anything. I haven't seen him do anything physical besides roar and jump on top of the Witch.
Thor on the other hand, has feats, which in turn show that from what we've seen from both characters, Aslan get's smacked around.
Which is exactly my point about beings are that are supposed to be God, most of them rarely do anything in fiction, some do even less then what Aslan did, so because Thor has feats we are to assume he can beat God.@LordOfAllHumans: Exactly my point. People claim Aslan can do all sorts of things, but he has yet to do anything. I haven't seen him do anything physical besides roar and jump on top of the Witch.
Thor on the other hand, has feats, which in turn show that from what we've seen from both characters, Aslan get's smacked around.
TOAA - no feats
God in Supernatural - no feats
God in just about any movie involving demonic possession - feats (believing him is enough to defeat demons and Satan.)
God in the Prophecy - no feats
God (The Chairman) in the Adjustment Bureau - no feats
the one fact remains - God = all powerful.
how so?@LordOfAllHumans said:
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:So you are saying that a being that God with a capital G, is not on Thor's level of power? You're right, a being like that would be above his power.@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Lvenger said:It's hardly irrelevant if you can only base everything off feats and use no logic, then comic book Storm is more powerful than movie Thor, although it is fact that he is still the god of thunder and should be able to beat her just like he can in the comics. As I said before it is logic that dictates the battle forums, feats and scans are secondary, used to support logic. A being that is The God does not need feats, the name is the only feat needed.@Illuminatus said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:@Illuminatus said:Completely and utterly irrelevant to the scenario at hand. Try and come up with a more elaborate argument.Seconded. In battle forum debates, evidence from scans or references from issues are the only way you can strongly support your case. In this instance, Thor has more feats from his film that show he could easily defeat Aslan and that's not even the comic book version of Thor who is way more powerful. In any case, you need to think of another argument to make to prove your point.
And unfortunately, to prove that Aslan is more powerful than Thor, who has LOADS of proven feats than the simple ones Aslan has shown in the movie, you NEED to incorporate visuals in your argument. "Aslan is The God of Narnia," cool, but what puts him on Thor's level of power? Next to nothing, as he hasn't expressed any other abilities that rivals Thor's, other than the Breath of Life.
You're throwing it out of context.
@Deranged Midget said:Which is exactly my point about beings are that are supposed to be God, most of them rarely do anything in fiction, some do even less then what Aslan did, so because Thor has feats we are to assume he can beat God. TOAA - no feats God in Supernatural - no feats God in just about any movie involving demonic possession - feats (believing him is enough to defeat demons and Satan.) God in the Prophecy - no feats God (The Chairman) in the Adjustment Bureau - no feats the one fact remains - God = all powerful.@LordOfAllHumans: Exactly my point. People claim Aslan can do all sorts of things, but he has yet to do anything. I haven't seen him do anything physical besides roar and jump on top of the Witch.
Thor on the other hand, has feats, which in turn show that from what we've seen from both characters, Aslan get's smacked around.
Pretty much what I was thinking.
@LordOfAllHumans: Yes "God" is powerful in any sense of the word but in these battles on the Vine, feats are required and necessary to establish a battle. Therefore with Aslan having no feats, he has no chance of winning.
You can't simply state, "Oh he's "God', automatic win." With that logic, I could state Thor is a god too so it evens the odds. Just because Aslan is the god of his universe, it doesn't make him any more powerful compared to the Marvel universe.
@LordOfAllHumans said:thank you somebody get's it.@Deranged Midget said:Pretty much what I was thinking.Which is exactly my point about beings are that are supposed to be God, most of them rarely do anything in fiction, some do even less then what Aslan did, so because Thor has feats we are to assume he can beat God. TOAA - no feats God in Supernatural - no feats God in just about any movie involving demonic possession - feats (believing him is enough to defeat demons and Satan.) God in the Prophecy - no feats God (The Chairman) in the Adjustment Bureau - no feats the one fact remains - God = all powerful.@LordOfAllHumans: Exactly my point. People claim Aslan can do all sorts of things, but he has yet to do anything. I haven't seen him do anything physical besides roar and jump on top of the Witch.
Thor on the other hand, has feats, which in turn show that from what we've seen from both characters, Aslan get's smacked around.
@OmegaDynasty said:Although, most of the characters that are "God" have a power scale to compare.@LordOfAllHumans said:thank you somebody get's it.@Deranged Midget said:Pretty much what I was thinking.Which is exactly my point about beings are that are supposed to be God, most of them rarely do anything in fiction, some do even less then what Aslan did, so because Thor has feats we are to assume he can beat God. TOAA - no feats God in Supernatural - no feats God in just about any movie involving demonic possession - feats (believing him is enough to defeat demons and Satan.) God in the Prophecy - no feats God (The Chairman) in the Adjustment Bureau - no feats the one fact remains - God = all powerful.@LordOfAllHumans: Exactly my point. People claim Aslan can do all sorts of things, but he has yet to do anything. I haven't seen him do anything physical besides roar and jump on top of the Witch.
Thor on the other hand, has feats, which in turn show that from what we've seen from both characters, Aslan get's smacked around.
Such as the Spectre, and Lucifer/Michael. We seen their feats, such as the brothers creating a Multi-verse together, then they say that the Presence is their creator, and more powerful then them. Even though we haven't seen anything on panel, we just have to assume.
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@Lvenger said:If he is said to be the representation of an all powerful deity by the person that created him, then it does mean that. The logic that you are using to disprove it is flawed.@LordOfAllHumans: Sorry I should have rephrased my last comment. Writers come into play in the sense that they provide the feats for which we base our arguments on but aren't involved in the battle. That's what I meant. And just because Aslan is said to be a representation of an all powerful deity doesn't mean he is. It's like saying if the bricks in the wall are small, the wall will be small which may not be the case if lots of small bricks are used. It's flawed logic that doesn't have any supporting evidence to back it up.
What I mean is that it shouldn't mean that. Aslan is supposed to be omnipontent as that is one of the qualities of the God of classical theism i.e christianity which Aslan is supposed to represent. Yet nowhere in the Chronicles of Narnia does he show that omnipotence. Just the breath of life, summoning a river spirit etc. Those are abilities a superhuman at some point in comic book history has possessed. Not the exact same thing but resurrection of the dead and control over water are definitely powers that have cropped up. Anyway there are no feats to support the claim that Aslan is omnipotent whereas there is evidence that Thor is capable of smashing Aslan in, even if the movie version is used.
Feats are not required to a establish a battle when the outcome can be established with logic feats are used to support your case, no feat of Thors would allow him to beat a featless God. If that is the case then you can safely say Thor can beat TOAA, since the lack of feats is all this rides on, even though one is a god and the other is the God. I didn't state he was God, C.S. Lewis did when he wrote it. You can't use the same logic to even the odds with Thor because even in his own myths he is nowhere near the level of creator, which is why we even have god and God to show a very drastic difference in power, one rules somethings, the other rules all things.@LordOfAllHumans: Yes "God" is powerful in any sense of the word but in these battles on the Vine, feats are required and necessary to establish a battle. Therefore with Aslan having no feats, he has no chance of winning.
You can't simply state, "Oh he's "God', automatic win." With that logic, I could state Thor is a god too so it evens the odds. Just because Aslan is the god of his universe, it doesn't make any more powerful compared to the Marvel universe.
@OmegaDynasty: Valid point, but in bringing up the power scale, how do we know that Aslan is indeed that powerful, especially compared to the Marvel Universe. Thor is a god himself, and from what we've seen, he has yet to show his true potential.
@LordOfAllHumans: Not entirely true, every battle on the Vine requires some degree of feats and experience. Logic get's you no where except a dead end and a repetitive opinion in which you are currently repeating.
Again, simply because he is stated to be "God' in the universe of Narnia only establishes several things. He's stated to be immortal, re-incarnate to a degree, etc but from what we saw, he is still vulnerable to physical harm, in which allowing Thor the ability to beat him. I'm not saying Thor can kill him, but he has a definite chance of defeating him in a physical battle.
But I'll agree to disagree.
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@The_Mayhem_Theory said:how so?@LordOfAllHumans said:
So you are saying that a being that God with a capital G, is not on Thor's level of power? You're right, a being like that would be above his power.You're throwing it out of context.
God is a general term for any power (entity or otherwise) above normal human conditioning. Assuming that Aslan is "The God" of Narnia, and Jadis, the White Witch, being a magical being; the only one capable of defeating her was Aslan, which consequently, would put her on "Thor's level of power;" by that logic, wouldn't she be a "Goddess?" My argument is that Aslan hasn't shown any feats of impressiveness that tops Thor, giving Thor the victory.
But is does mean that. What feats of omnipotence is he suppose to show? He is not an active player, his role is to guide the children and Narnia and he does just that. There is only one thing that needs to be said to assure people that he is omnipotent and that is he was written to be God. C.S. Lewis wrote it that Aslan created everything with a song, that his country is analogous with Heaven and that he alone says who goes there and who does not, sounds like God to me. The movies are only three based on seven books, the characters are the same, Aslan was just as much God in the first book as he was in the last, which would translate over into the movie especially when he tells Edmund and Lucy at the end of the 3rd movie that he has another name in their world.@LordOfAllHumans said:
@Lvenger said:If he is said to be the representation of an all powerful deity by the person that created him, then it does mean that. The logic that you are using to disprove it is flawed.@LordOfAllHumans: Sorry I should have rephrased my last comment. Writers come into play in the sense that they provide the feats for which we base our arguments on but aren't involved in the battle. That's what I meant. And just because Aslan is said to be a representation of an all powerful deity doesn't mean he is. It's like saying if the bricks in the wall are small, the wall will be small which may not be the case if lots of small bricks are used. It's flawed logic that doesn't have any supporting evidence to back it up.
What I mean is that it shouldn't mean that. Aslan is supposed to be omnipontent as that is one of the qualities of the God of classical theism i.e christianity which Aslan is supposed to represent. Yet nowhere in the Chronicles of Narnia does he show that omnipotence. Just the breath of life, summoning a river spirit etc. Those are abilities a superhuman at some point in comic book history has possessed. Not the exact same thing but resurrection of the dead and control over water are definitely powers that have cropped up. Anyway there are no feats to support the claim that Aslan is omnipotent whereas there is evidence that Thor is capable of smashing Aslan in, even if the movie version is used.
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:@LordOfAllHumans: Not entirely true, every battle on the Vine requires some degree of feats and experience. Logic get's you no where except a dead end and a repetitive opinion in which you are currently repeating.
Again, simply because he is stated to be "God' in the universe of Narnia only establishes several things. He's stated to be immortal, re-incarnate to a degree, etc but from what we saw, he is still vulnerable to physical harm, in which allowing Thor the ability to beat him. I'm not saying Thor can kill him, but he has a definite chance of defeating him in a physical battle.
But I'll agree to disagree.
Deranged Midget.... It's very true, battles are to be debated logically, you can show a million scans and have a million more feats of Thor and that would in no way place him near or above TOAA, or any other Supreme being, and that is how the cycle of repeating beings, because perception is trying to override fact.@LordOfAllHumans said:
@The_Mayhem_Theory said:
how so?@LordOfAllHumans said:
So you are saying that a being that God with a capital G, is not on Thor's level of power? You're right, a being like that would be above his power.You're throwing it out of context.
God is a general term for any power (entity or otherwise) above normal human conditioning. Assuming that Aslan is "The God" of Narnia, and Jadis, the White Witch, being a magical being; the only one capable of defeating her was Aslan, which consequently, would put her on "Thor's level of power;" by that logic, wouldn't she be a "Goddess?" My argument is that Aslan hasn't shown any feats of impressiveness that tops Thor, giving Thor the victory.
He is also the God of the world of men, he was not vulnerable to harm he allowed himself to be taken and killed, he tricked the White Witch into taking him instead of Edmund, because he knew she didn't understand the deep magic and that it would bring about her end.
The_Mayhem_ Theory....We are clearly using God and god to illustrate the difference in what a Supreme being is and what a pantheon god is. Alsan = God, Thor = god. She could not defeat Aslan, he gave himself t her, "Goddess" as you put it would only be capital for one of two reasons, people who wish to show that the Supreme being is both male and female and when it appears at the beginning of a sentence, at best she would be a goddess, but we know that she is really nothing more than a witch, and was an allegory for the Devil, which also means not on his level and never having the power to defeat him.
I said it once and I'll say it again, Aslan has more feats than TOAA, and we can all agree Thor is nothing to him.
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