@Owie said:
@Laurcus said:
@Owie said:
@Laurcus said:
What feats does Aslan have? Gandalf is a Maia, one of the original 14 created by the Valar. He is, by all accounts, the second strongest of the Maiar. He helped create the world, and could likely destroy it if he wished, considering other Maiar and some of the weaker Valar were responsible for creating large aspects of existence.
Keep in mind, every feat for Gandalf in the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, (both books and movies) is only a small fraction of what he's capable of. When Gandalf was sent to Middle Earth in the First Age of the Years of the Sun he was told by his father, Eru, that he's forbidden from using his full powers in his war against Sauron, and he must endeavor to solve any problems without magic if at all possible.
Also note that the Balrog is the same species as Gandalf. The difference is that the Balrog was one of the hundreds of lesser Maiar created after Arda and the universe was made, while Gandalf was one of the original, who only increased in power as time went on.
As I pointed out above (and now checked to make sure), Aslan's greatest feat was creating Narnia (solo). Whereas the degree to which Gandalf helped create Middle Earth was minor: it was mostly Eru Iluvatar, with help from the Valar, and minor tweaks by the maiar. Gandalf's hierarchy in the power of the maiar is unclear; certainly Sauron was more powerful, and it's unclear what his position is in regards to any others. He himself says, when talking about what he suspects lies under Moria, that against some things he has not been tested--he had no confidence that he would win. He did win, but not by so much that other Balrogs such as Gothmog might not be more powerful than him.
Actually, Gandalf wasn't even trying against the Balrog of Morgoth when he fought him in Moria. No feats or statements about Gandalf's power while he was on Middle Earth are valid as establishing a floor for his powers. The Silmarillion is the only valid source for that, since Gandalf never broke his promise to Eru.
Aside from creation, Aslan seems pretty featless. With Gandalf we at least can compare him to some of the other combat feats of the Maiar, like knowing he is always better than Balrogs in every way since he was one of the original 14, and evil weakens over time in Lord of the Rings.
Where exactly do you get the idea that he wasn't trying against the balrog in Moria? When he first feels it, and tries to lock it in using a spell, he says "I have never felt such a challenge. The counter spell was terrible. It nearly broke me." Then later, when they were fighting alone, clearly it was a long and difficult battle, one he said would have been sung about long after if anyone had seen it, and in the end he basically died and was reborn.
Have any citations to back up the assertion that evil weakens over time in LOTR?
Aslan did do battle in various situations, but generally he never had to exert himself much, so they are unimpressive feats in the sense that he won too easily. But creating a world is still a far greater feat than anything Gandalf ever did. Plus again let's look at their metaphoric sources, Jesus vs an angel. That's a pretty extensive power differential. We could always say, Christ has no real battle feats in the bible, while angels are often seen battling demons and whatnot, so angels could beat Jesus. But that would ignore their obvious place in the celestial hierarchy.
First off, Gandalf the Grey didn't even have access to his original powers. He may have given it his all in that form, which would have still kept his promise to Eru to not use his true powers. So it's really a moot point.
The thing about evil weakening over time has been stated a few times by Tolkien in interviews. I don't have any source on me sadly, the closest thing I have to that is Sauron's section of the Lord of the Rings wiki, where it talks about the philosophy behind his character. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Sauron#Weapons_and_Powers If you want more than that, you're gonna have to go find it, because I'm too lazy to look that up.
Anywho, I don't really think a metaphorical comparison is the best way to determine who wins a fight. And it's difficult to tell if Aslan can destroy as well as he creates without seeing it for ourselves.
And Jesus totally has battle feats btw. Book of Revelation. Because you don't mess with a guy that kills people with a flaming sword from his mouth.
Aslan You cannot pass 
Darn you Gandalf...
This is what happens when Aslan fights Gandalf the White
noo!
Ring of Fire one of the most powerful of the wight counsel 
Glamdring (Gandalf can beat Balrogs in his weaker form) and is more powerful than Sauroman in his wight form...On his return, Gandalf the White carried a white staff. Whether it was bestowed or made by Gandalf himself was unknown. Unlike the spike staff, it had a fluid flow and design which echoed the beauty and mystique of Lothlorien. It had an Elven rune for 'G' carved into it. This staff served the same function as the old. It also proclaimed to all that Gandalf was now the head of the Istari and Maiar
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