Before sauron had the ring he could be killed by wolves after, only a lucky cheap shot can kill him. And I don't think Asland can single handedly defeat the armies of gondor with such ease. After all sauron didn't seem like he was going fully all out. Otherwise every last one of those troops would be dead in less than 10 seconds. Also sauron, unlike the other ainur, doesn't grow weaker as he uses his power to create thanks to the ring. And plus with a crown like sauron's one headbutt and it's all over for asland.
if he didn't then he wouldn't be in this fight in the first place would he :P"
I was just wondering because he had a physical form before forging the Ring."
the only purpose of the ring was to keep him from disappearing like his entire race"
Not disappearing, weakening as they were using their powers to create. Sauron created the ring after seeing how much overusing the power of creation weakened Morgoth. Before Morgoth could be described as a Living tribunal enity, but after creating so much, he weakened to the point that sauron was more dangerous and powerful. Sauron out of fear of this happening to him created the rings. The other rings so he could control them, and his ring so he could use his powers of artifice all he wanted.
Sauron also made his ring so powerful that not even dragon fire which consumed four of the seven dwarven rings could destroy it. Though as dragons were on his side this seemed fairly redundant
if he didn't then he wouldn't be in this fight in the first place would he :P"
I was just wondering because he had a physical form *before* forging the Ring."
the only purpose of the ring was to keep him from disappearing like his entire race"
Sauron forged the Ring to gain ultimate power. He used some of his blood to forge it with and that's why he could partly sense where it was and regain physical form after recapturing it in case something, like Isildur then Gollumn, happened.
If it were a battle of armies. Narnia And asland would be crushed, Mordor alone outnumbers Narnia by nearly one thousand to one. And thats not including Angmar, Isengard, the Giant spiders, the remanents of morgoth's armies that Sauron has at his beck and call.
"ok so if Sauron was without the ring..he would get killed easily by Aslan?"
At full power, he would still just smash aslan's skull open with his mace. The Witch king is a better match, though as none can kill each other the fight goes on for all eternity.
"ok but assuming..if the battle was set in Narnia, Aslan would destroy Sauron because Aslan is like god in Narnia and has supreme power"
If it was morgoth and we assume he creates a counter part to the ring so that he doesn't lose power vs Aslan, no matter where aslan is, Aslan gets smashed to pieces.
"ok but assuming..if the battle was set in Narnia, Aslan would destroy Sauron because Aslan is like god in Narnia and has supreme power"
If it was morgoth and we assume he creates a counter part to the ring so that he doesn't lose power vs Aslan, no matter where aslan is, Aslan gets smashed to pieces. "
"ok what if it was exactly the same number of people in each army?"
Mordor-Immeasurable in the upper tens of millions and can be spawned whenever needed. Isengard-Upper hundreds of thousands, also can be spawned. Angmar-In the lower millions. Giant spiders-Thousands. Morgoth army remanents-Hundreds though they are very powerful.
"ok what if it was exactly the same number of people in each army?"
Mordor-Immeasurable in the upper tens of millions and can be spawned whenever needed. Isengard-Upper hundreds of thousands, also can be spawned. Angmar-In the lower millions. Giant spiders-Thousands. Morgoth army remanents-Hundreds though they are very powerful. Narnia-About in the tens of thousands. "
ok but im talking about if they made rules and said... Narnia..brings 10,000 of their soldiers Middle Earth brings 10,000 soldiers.. who wins then?"
Sauron brings ten thousand Balrogs or dragons and Narnia goes poof gone. "
I think he would only need to bring like 10 Balrogs in order for it to go "poof"
I dont even think there's a word for how badly they would get stomped if they fought 10,000
With the ring, sauron creates a tower over Aslan's head and aslan is crushed under millions of tons of rock and metal. Either that or While Sauron is slapping narnia's armies silly aslan happens to be in the way of one of his send a dozen people flying strikes and aslan is sent flying away never to be seen again.
"ok what if it was exactly the same number of people in each army?"
Mordor-Immeasurable in the upper tens of millions and can be spawned whenever needed. Isengard-Upper hundreds of thousands, also can be spawned. Angmar-In the lower millions. Giant spiders-Thousands. Morgoth army remanents-Hundreds though they are very powerful.
Narnia-About in the tens of thousands. "
ok but im talking about if they made rules and said...
"ok what if it was exactly the same number of people in each army?"
Mordor-Immeasurable in the upper tens of millions and can be spawned whenever needed. Isengard-Upper hundreds of thousands, also can be spawned. Angmar-In the lower millions. Giant spiders-Thousands. Morgoth army remanents-Hundreds though they are very powerful. Narnia-About in the tens of thousands. "
ok but im talking about if they made rules and said... Narnia..brings 10,000 of their soldiers Middle Earth brings 10,000 soldiers.. who wins then?"
Sauron brings ten thousand Balrogs or dragons and Narnia goes poof gone. "
I think he would only need to bring like 10 Balrogs in order for it to go "poof"
I dont even think there's a word for how badly they would get stomped if they fought 10,000"
The one at moria was weakened and thats the only reason why Gandalf wasn't incinerated into a pile of ashes in a few moments. At full power 10,000 balrogs even though there are only 7 Sauron can create the numbers as his powers are nigh limitless with it
"ok what if it was exactly the same number of people in each army?"
Mordor-Immeasurable in the upper tens of millions and can be spawned whenever needed. Isengard-Upper hundreds of thousands, also can be spawned. Angmar-In the lower millions. Giant spiders-Thousands. Morgoth army remanents-Hundreds though they are very powerful.
Narnia-About in the tens of thousands. "
ok but im talking about if they made rules and said...
Narnia..brings 10,000 of their soldiers
Middle Earth brings 10,000 soldiers..
who wins then?"
Sauron brings ten thousand Balrogs or dragons and Narnia goes poof gone.
"ok...10,000...orchs (or w/e th basic soldiers are called in LOTR)against an assortment of 10,000 Centaurs, Minotaurs, humans, and animals (Tigers, Bears, etc.) Post Edited:2008-05-31 19:44:56"
Minotaurs aren't with Aslan now are they? The orcs bring in a line of mumakils those really really really big elephants and all of the opposing side dies.
"ok...10,000...orchs (or w/e th basic soldiers are called in LOTR)against an assortment of 10,000 Centaurs, Minotaurs, humans, and animals (Tigers, Bears, etc.) Post Edited:2008-05-31 19:44:56"
Minotaurs aren't with Aslan now are they? The orcs bring in a line of mumakils those really really really big elephants and all of the opposing side dies."
lol minotaurs are with Aslan..haven't u seen the movie? lol...
"ok...10,000...orchs (or w/e th basic soldiers are called in LOTR)against an assortment of 10,000 Centaurs, Minotaurs, humans, and animals (Tigers, Bears, etc.) Post Edited:2008-05-31 19:44:56"
Minotaurs aren't with Aslan now are they? The orcs bring in a line of mumakils those really really really big elephants and all of the opposing side dies."
lol minotaurs are with Aslan..haven't u seen the movie? lol...
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They all seemed to be on the ice queen's side. "
well in the second movie all the creatures of Narnia face off against the humans..so Minotaurs are with Aslan too...
"ok...10,000...orchs (or w/e th basic soldiers are called in LOTR)against an assortment of 10,000 Centaurs, Minotaurs, humans, and animals (Tigers, Bears, etc.) Post Edited:2008-05-31 19:44:56"
Minotaurs aren't with Aslan now are they? The orcs bring in a line of mumakils those really really really big elephants and all of the opposing side dies."
lol minotaurs are with Aslan..haven't u seen the movie? lol...
"ok...10,000...orchs (or w/e th basic soldiers are called in LOTR)against an assortment of 10,000 Centaurs, Minotaurs, humans, and animals (Tigers, Bears, etc.) Post Edited:2008-05-31 19:44:56"
Minotaurs aren't with Aslan now are they? The orcs bring in a line of mumakils those really really really big elephants and all of the opposing side dies."
lol minotaurs are with Aslan..haven't u seen the movie? lol...
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They all seemed to be on the ice queen's side. "
well in the second movie all the creatures of Narnia face off against the humans..so Minotaurs are with Aslan too..."
Then why didn't the kiddies die? i sooooooo wanted them to die
"ok...10,000...orchs (or w/e th basic soldiers are called in LOTR)against an assortment of 10,000 Centaurs, Minotaurs, humans, and animals (Tigers, Bears, etc.) Post Edited:2008-05-31 19:44:56"
Minotaurs aren't with Aslan now are they? The orcs bring in a line of mumakils those really really really big elephants and all of the opposing side dies."
lol minotaurs are with Aslan..haven't u seen the movie? lol...
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They all seemed to be on the ice queen's side. "
well in the second movie all the creatures of Narnia face off against the humans..so Minotaurs are with Aslan too..."
Then why didn't the kiddies die? i sooooooo wanted them to die
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lol..ur evil! no well the kids helped the Narnians get Narnia back from the invading humans
The witch king kills them while they try to help Asland. They would be too scared of the nazgul and his fell beast to fight back and the witch king slaughters them. By them I mean the kids. Post Edited:2008-05-31 20:31:11
"The witch king kills them while they try to help Asland. They would be too scared of the nazgul and his fell beast to fight back and the witch king slaughters them. Post Edited:2008-05-31 20:30:35"
Aslan, unquestionably. In a straight comparison to the pantheon of Middle Earth, Aslan would be Ilúvatar. He is God. He created Narnia with a song. You really think Morgoth's sidekick could compete with Manwë, let alone his own creator? I think not.
"Aslan, unquestionably. In a straight comparison to the pantheon of Middle Earth, Aslan would be Ilúvatar. He is God. He created Narnia with a song. You really think Morgoth's sidekick could compete with Manwë, let alone his own creator? I think not."
If he created it then why did he allow evil into it?
Why did Ilúvatar allow Melkor to dissent? That's a little more complicated. The Chronicles are pretty much a straight allegory for Christianity. Hence, the first humans in Narnia (Polly and Digory) are responsible for Jadis (could be considered original sin or Satan, I think of it as original sin since Jadis was from another world) being there. Asking why Aslan allowed evil into the world is tantamount to asking why Lucifer was allowed to rebel and spread evil, or why he put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden to begin with. There is no simple answer.
Ilúvatar had plans for Middle Earth. The elves failed in their original purpose they were created for. Whether he "cared" in the conventional sense is up for debate. Either way, the question is largely irrelevant to the outcome of this fight. Aslan would still win.
"Why did Ilúvatar allow Melkor to dissent? That's a little more complicated. The Chronicles are pretty much a straight allegory for Christianity. Hence, the first humans in Narnia (Polly and Digory) are responsible for Jadis (could be considered original sin or Satan, I think of it as original sin since Jadis was from another world) being there. Asking why Aslan allowed evil into the world is tantamount to asking why Lucifer was allowed to rebel and spread evil, or why he put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden to begin with. There is no simple answer."
The true answer is that omnipotents are uncaring. They create a world, and they let it grow on it's own. They are not a gardener they are a seeder.
"Ilúvatar had plans for Middle Earth. The elves failed in their original purpose they were created for. Whether he "cared" in the conventional sense is up for debate. Either way, the question is largely irrelevant to the outcome of this fight. Aslan would still win."
If aslan is as powerful as you say, he would have made the ice queen poof out of existence.
"Ilúvatar had plans for Middle Earth. The elves failed in their original purpose they were created for. Whether he "cared" in the conventional sense is up for debate. Either way, the question is largely irrelevant to the outcome of this fight. Aslan would still win."
If aslan is as powerful as you say, he would have made the ice queen poof out of existence."
That is like saying "if Jesus was that powerful, why did he die on the cross". Aslan could have poofed her out of existence. The fact that our temporal existence on an earthly realm relies on us learning about free will and and our need for a higher power in order to appreciate it on a higher level. This whole battle comes down to a much larger battle than Aslan and Sauron, but God vs. Satan. Both Aslan and Sauron come from Christian writers using analogies.
And Ilúvatar would just make Melkor and Sauron poof out of existence? No. These are all more complex characters and concepts than are involved in conventional fights, especially between comic book characters as opposed to literary ones.
If you haven't read the Chronicles of Narnia, I recommend it. They're pretty quick reading and they're good books.
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