@saint_of_origin:
I don't have the time to find the quote so for this situation let's pretend sephiroth isn't
What I can prove with relative ease is the vast differance between artorias and cloud
I'll start by going back a bit
Sephiroth defeats a dragon with a single attack, this is in a flashback to the times of crises core sephiroth canon weakest (except before crisis but hes more or less the same)
So here we can point out killing a dragon without context isn't very impressive (also since we can't compare the two dragon's it adds to the problem)
Now in FF 7 while in a cocoon sephiroth destroyed shinra or a large portion just with tk alone from the northern caverns
This is sephiroth before his peak, who Cloud defeated even with pis him beating sephiroth is nothing short of remarkable
So this is just a small idea I will now go into real detail
Zack defeated three genesis clones with an umbrella while wearing trunks
A little while later zack lost to sephiroth in nebelhelm despite using an actual weapon
He and cloud are given jenova cells
Zack becomes stronger from those cells, cloud is given even more cells than him
Zack fights and defeats Genesis
A little later zack defeats hundreds of soldiers and guards protecting cloud....and dies
Cloud gets the sword and some of zack memories
Fast forward a lot cloud in advent children is roughly equal if not above zack I'm skill
Zack skill > genetically superior clones of genesis
Crisis core sephiroth superior power and skill > zack skill
Zack enhanced and skill > genesis
Zack enhanced and skill > hundreds of soldiers and guards
Zack enhanced and skill >/= crisis core sephiroth
Cloud enhanced > zack skill
Cloud enhanced and skill > zack enhanced and skill
From all this we can assume Cloud is above zack in advent children, so we can assume anything zack and crisis core sephiroth could do (outside of specific powers) cloud could also
From this we can assume that cloud is way above dragon's or countless men with guns, robots and summons
Artorias lost to a single hollow man
And isn't close to Clouds league
......or zack had a magic umbrella
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