@wolverine08 said:
@the_stegman: I'd also add that Captain America is going to stomp in H2H combat. Even if you don't find his skill impressive, he's still been able to hang with established fighters like Red Skull whom had stats similar to his, showing that he's holding unto a decent modicum of skill, and the stat gap present is far too great for Oliver to overcome.
I just don't see what would make Cap win. He has no impressive combat feats, the only thing he has against Ollie is better physical stats, but Oliver isn't exactly weak(breaking stone statues with his blows), and Cap isn't immune to being punched in the face. I have yet to see any reaction feats from Cap that shows he will dodge Ollie's punches (if it gets to close combat). If it is long range, obviously Ollie's arrows aren't gonna get past the shield, but his trick arrows could knock cap off balance, an exposion from behind could rattle him and allow Ollie to close the gap.
Landing numerous shots on Loki, an all around superhuman demigod who casually deflects and redirects bullets, aswell as dodging his attacks, is unimpressive? (Yes, Loki was planning to get captured. But that was his end goal. His goal at that time was to draw attention to himself, put on a show, and make Cap "kneel", which he failed to do. Iron man didn't save Cap either, he just came in as Loki landed a good shot. The fight was inconclusive and Loki was winning solely because of his durability).
Fighting evenly with Red Skull has already been mentioned. But then just watching him shows his combat skill, despite the fact he's only defeating fodder. He's still showing one shot knock outs, neck snaps ect. He's a completely competent fighter and also has a massive durability and strength edge on Ollie. He pushed a 30 ton bulldozer through some kind of set distance at record time (Agents of SHIELD), punched through bulletproof and pressurized submarine glass, while underwater, and with no momentum in his punch, (which to me implies that a punch out of water, with momentum, could take someones head off), and has hit a guy so hard he's done a somersault, aswell as sent people/chitauri flying several feet with his shield.
Then there's the fact Red Skull who took the same (if unfinished) serum, was able to dent steel with his punches.
Onto durability, Cap tanking a laser blast from chitauri which blasted a bank security door off it's hinges, and belt steel inward, shows that he can take an absurd amount of punishment before going down.
There's also the feat of him being propelled out of a window by an explosive, crashing into a car roof, and being a bit roughed up but fine afterwards.
Taking shots from Loki and Red Skull and not receiving any lasting damage (both guys stronger than Ollie).
I just don't think Ollies supposed skill edge will help him that much. I can't remember the characters name, but he was enhanced, and he beat Ollies ass after breaking into his sort of base/lab/Arrowcave. He was one of the guys Ollie knew on the island along with Slade. I just haven't seen much evidence of Ollie holding his own against enhanced and skilled opponents.
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