@veshark:
Come now, that's hardly a justifiable counterargument. Cap was driving directly towards the Quinjet, and the plane's gatling gun had an extremely high-rate of fire. Factor in the close distance between the two as well. We clearly see Cap maneuvering the bike to avoid the gunfire. And we see the rounds landing exactly where his bike was moments ago. Your suggestion that it was 'bad aim' has no merit behind him. Which is a more likely interpretation of the scenario? That the Quinjet pilot's aim sucks, or that Cap was able to use speed to avoid the rounds?
Even if it was, that's a feat for Cap's riding skills and bad aiming skills of whoever was firing. Are you really saying that Cap was actually seeing the bullet come and moving out the way? He was not maneuvering bike any faster than a skilled rider.
I doubt aerodynamics are a big factor. There's nothing suggesting the shield has any superior dynamics to any other discus-shaped object. The boomerang comparison is also flawed. For one, a boomerang weighs much lighter, and is by design, meant to travel extended distances. The curvature of the object generates lift, something that can't be said for Cap's shield. For another: Cap isn't simply throwing the shield off into the distance here. He was throwing it to deliberately hit a target. The fact that he was able to make such an accurate hit at such a distance, with a shield, and with only one hand is something that I doubt any peak human could consistently replicate.
So, a shield which was pretty much designed to be used in battle by throwing would not be designed to be thrown great distances? Really? Do you see the way it travels? In a curved path. That's the result of good aerodynamics. Boomerang weighs almost 200g and Cap's shield cannot weigh much seeing that a normal human was able to throw it to over 30ft without even trying.. Now, a non-peak human could throw that boomerang to over 10-15 times(maybe even more if I overjudged the distance thrown by Cap.) the distance Cap threw his shield. I'm not denying his skill of throwing shield. He hit the target and that requires a lot of precision and skill, which Cap posses. What it doesn't require is superhuman strength.
A door isn't the same thing as a Quinjet's armor. I think it's safe to say that the exterior fuselage of a Quinjet is significantly more durable than a door. To add, Cap clearly was unable to apply the full force of his strength. He was yanked into midair and had to ram the shield as quickly as he could. Yet he could still sink the weapon into the plane. And I'm not sure which door feat you're referring to...the only one I can think of is the one where Cap threw it to prop a door open
No its not. But it still damaged the door. Cap's shield is not made from everyday metal. I'm saying this again, I'm not denying that Cap is stronger than a peak human, I'm just saying that he has better feats in first 2 movies alone. i still haven't watched WS.
Considering the height that Cap was able to pull the flip off, and the fact that he was able to retract his shield from the plane's armor? I won't go so far as to say it's impossible for a peak-human, but I certainly don't see it being easily pulled off by peak-humans like Hawkeye or Black Widow.
Not by Barton, no. But Widow's flip in the beginning of Avengers to break the chair was very impressive.
You're missing the point. It's not just his shield-throwing skills, but also the strength that it took to blow the Quinjet's turbines. It's clear that a great deal of damage was done by the momentum generated from Cap's own throwing strength. Vibranium in the MCU absorbs vibrations, and the object's durability played a part. But it's also evident that most of the force was generated by Steve's own strength. I don't really see how this one's debatable.
Agility is not the sole factor in replicating this feat. Widow might be able to evade the Quinjet rounds, but her throwing the shield to shatter the plane's turbine? Even if she had Steve's accuracy, she still lacks the raw strength to pull it off. What exactly has she done to suggest she has that level of arm muscle and upper-body strength? If she can't even get past Step Two...I'm pretty sure that Quinjet isn't going down.
Widow is not in same league as Cap when it comes to strength. I never said that. Here, to pull of most of the feats Cap did, she doesn't need. Like I said earlier, a normal soldier threw Cap's shield to over 30 ft and could've gone much further had Cap not stopped it. Widow would have no problem throwing it at almost 100ft.
And for the record, to give Widow Cap's 'shield-throwing skills' also makes your comparison shaky. It's clear that Steve's hand-eye coordination (aka the main factor that governs his shield throwing abilities) are derived from the SSS, not from any of his own innate ability. Making your peak human argument entirely moot.
What makes you say that? Real people has hand-eye coordination as good and even better than Cap. Saying that it is the result of SSS is an assumption. It could easily be his skill.
@rbt: No they dont and dont say something like "we havent seen cap react to anything impressive blah blah blah" if he hasnt had a chance dont say he can't. If grundy had a free shot he could one shot him ollie is the main character no way they would have him go down to someone that isnt the main antagonist consistently. Not everyone has the aim to shoot someone in the leg that isnt hust sitting there. But whatever how are the archers gonna put down cap they dont possess half the strength he does
He hasn't means he can't. That's how it works here,
Strength is not everything. Skill, speed and equipment generally amount to more. Ollie has shot harder targets than a leg that's running.
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