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Deathstroke from Arkham Origins vs Hawkeye (comic feats only). Both are morals off and the fights are to the death or incapacitation. They take place in an abandoned warehouse in New York City.

  1. Standard gear, start 30 yards away with cover in between
  2. Strictly H2H combat, start 10 yards away

Who wins each round and why?

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Slade, possibly through stealth the first round or by closing the distance using the cover. He is just as stealthy as Arkham batman

Slade due to enhancements and combat skill.

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Slade is such a fodder ( especially in Batman Arkham Knight)

What are his comic feats?

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Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

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Slade in round two. Maybe Hawkeye in round one. Probably not though.

Slade is such a fodder ( especially in Batman Arkham Knight)

What are his comic feats?

In Arkham Origins Slade took out 100 men, and has stealth on par with Batman, as shown in his mission pack DLC, obviously he fought Batman. Batman considered him one of his toughest foes, besides Bane.

This is irrelavent but, the scene in Arkham is probably based on this(?) I'm not entirely sure.

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The reason I think his mission was so short was because Rocksteady weren't planing on using him until after the positive reception he got in Arkham Origins.

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Hawkeye is like the least qualified guy to beat Slade.

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@username12345: The challenge map isn't canon and Deathstroke has two feats in total. Arkham Batman is barely any good by comic standards and Arkham Deathstroke is nowhere close to comic Tim Drake's level, let alone someone like Hawkeye.

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@jayc1324 said:

Slade, possibly through stealth the first round or by closing the distance using the cover. He is jusybas stealthy as Arkham batman

Since when?

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Hawkeye is like the least qualified guy to beat Slade.

This is Arkham Slade. Any one of Hawkeye's trick arrows could take him down.

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@inkman141: He has his own challenge maps where he can do everything batman can.

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@imperfect_cell: how is the challenge map, a part of the game, not canon? And how is batman barely any good by comic standards?

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@jayc1324 said:

@inkman141: He has his own challenge maps where he can do everything batman can.

Non-canon and strictly game mechanics, thus unusable.

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#14  Edited By SirBaronOBeefdip

@imperfect_cell: Hahaha Hawkeye sucks I don't see that happening. Arkham Slade still had very good h2h and acrobatic feats.

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Challenges maps count. Since this a video game version any gameplay counts as feats.

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@inkman141: that makes an sense. It happens in the game. Those are the abilities the developers gave Slade. Also, during his fight with Batman Slade uses smoke to disappear right in front of batman multiple times.

And he's a game character, pretty much everything he does is a game mechanic

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In canon, DS didn't land a single hit on Batman in their first encounter, in their second fight, a more experienced Batman literally oneshotted him.

DS' only canon feat is taking out a hallway of guys. We never got to see the full extent of Slade's abilities as he is always fighting Arkham Batman, who is pretty damn powerful, even by general comics standards.

Hawkeye wins this.

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Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

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@imperfect_cell: how is the challenge map, a part of the game, not canon? And how is batman barely any good by comic standards?

Because where exactly in the timeline does it fit in? Because Arkham Batman really does suck but everybody overrates him because he looks cool. Hawkeye would shoot that fool twice before he blinked.

@imperfect_cell: Hahaha Hawkeye sucks I don't see that happening. Arkham Slade still had very good h2h and acrobatic feats.

Hawkeye doesn't suck, unless you think Arkham Batman could fight Bullseye, Daken, & Venom at the same time and survive, which he couldn't.

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@imperfect_cell said:

Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

Three of them are featless and Batman isn't that good.

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@jayc1324 said:

@inkman141: that makes an sense. It happens in the game. Those are the abilities the developers gave Slade. Also, during his fight with Batman Slade uses smoke to disappear right in front of batman multiple times.

And he's a game character, pretty much everything he does is a game mechanic

Still unquantifiable. Slade has at least 3 feats that we can quantify and use. We can't use game mechanics as quantifiable showings, despite the developers intent.

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@dreadpool10 said:
@imperfect_cell said:

Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

Three of them are featless and Batman isn't that good.

How much of Arkham Batman have you seen?

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@imperfect_cell: You don't know that he couldn't. Those aren't higher tiers characters and Hawkeye isn't that great at all. Arkham bat has some of the highest h2h feats of any batman and you saying he doesn't either never played the game or have some spite against him but its true.

Gameplay counts as feats for a video game character whether or not it's in the main story ark or not.

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@sirbaronobeefdip:

So did you just try to say Arkham Batman could hold his own against Daken, Venom, & Bullseye at the same time? Any of them would kill him before he could think.

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@imperfect_cell said:
@dreadpool10 said:
@imperfect_cell said:

Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

Three of them are featless and Batman isn't that good.

How much of Arkham Batman have you seen?

I have literally played every game including Blackgate, and read most of the comics.

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@sirbaronobeefdip:

So did you just try to say Arkham Batman could hold his own against Daken, Venom, & Bullseye at the same time? Any of them would kill him before he could think.

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@imperfect_cell said:
@dreadpool10 said:
@imperfect_cell said:

Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

Three of them are featless and Batman isn't that good.

How much of Arkham Batman have you seen?

I have literally played every game including Blackgate, and read most of the comics.

Mhm..

Well, alright then.

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@username12345: The challenge map isn't canon and Deathstroke has two feats in total. Arkham Batman is barely any good by comic standards and Arkham Deathstroke is nowhere close to comic Tim Drake's level, let alone someone like Hawkeye.

It is canon.

If you want feats for Batman and Deathstroke, play the game or go here. I have a nice compilation of feats in post 99 and 100.

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Love how this turned into a hate thread towards Arkham Batman.

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@username12345:

It is canon.

No it's not. If it was, where does it fit exactly in the timeline? Spoiler: Literally nowhere.

If you want feats for Batman and Deathstroke, play the game or go here. I have a nice compilation of feats in post 99 and 100.

I'm well aware of the feats of both of these characters. After all, Slade and Bruce are some of my favorite characters. The Arkham versions would get destroyed by Hawkeye.

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#30  Edited By username12345

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@username12345:

No it's not. If it was, where does it fit exactly in the timeline? Spoiler: Literally nowhere.

It happened before he was hired. He did to prove himself worthy of being chosen.

@imperfect_cell said:

If you want feats for Batman and Deathstroke, play the game or go here. I have a nice compilation of feats in post 99 and 100.

I'm well aware of the feats of both of these characters. After all, Slade and Bruce are some of my favorite characters. The Arkham versions would get destroyed by Hawkeye.

But did you actually read my list of feats? There is more to them, than meets the eye.

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Love how this turned into a hate thread towards Arkham Batman.

It hasn't.

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#32  Edited By SirBaronOBeefdip

@imperfect_cell: Draken and bullseye aren't super human. Slade could take them especially bullseye. Saying bullseye could beat him is just sad. And with the agility feats he has he could survive venom.

You obviously haven't played the game and are just saying you for the sake of the argument

You are the biggest fanboy to think Hawkeye of all people would be Arkham Slade or Arkham batman

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@imperfect_cell said:
@dreadpool10 said:
@imperfect_cell said:

Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

Three of them are featless and Batman isn't that good.

Featless?

Bane has beaten three brutes with one hand. TITAN thugs can crush steal cages with ease. And Bane has beaten them. Bane in Origins was the smartest person. With an IQ of 190.

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Deathstroke fought 100 men. As well has having medical enhancements. And is conformably more skilledthan Chris.

ignore that...

Lady Shiva has beat over a dozen armed thugs in the opening to Arkham Origins, matched Batman, like you said, and is considered the best fighter.

Deadshot isn't featless.

Solomon Grundy isn't featless.

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Azreal has feats.

Killer Shark, Harley Quinn, and Captain Boomerang have feats.

So, no. Batman does not just fight fodder.

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@sirbaronobeefdip: Daken is vastly superhuman and Slade hasn't shown the speed to beat Bullseye. Literally no Arkham character could not get killed by Venom.

I have the played the games, and you calling someone a fanboy is just ironic.

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It happened before he was hired. He did to prove himself worthy of being chosen.

I've played the maps many times. Where does it say that, or are you just speculating?

But did you actually read my list of feats? There is more to them, than meats the eye.

Do you know anything about Hawkeye? Arkham Batman hasn't done anything to even hint he could match Clint. And this is about Slade, not the guy who effortlessly beat him.

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#37  Edited By Inkman141

@imperfect_cell said:
@inkman141 said:

Love how this turned into a hate thread towards Arkham Batman.

It hasn't.

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#19 Posted by Imperfect_Cell (3359 posts) - 17 minutes, 22 seconds ago - Show Bio

Because where exactly in the timeline does it fit in? Because Arkham Batman really does suck

You seriously going to ask a question about where Deathstroke's DLC fits into the timeline, and then suddenly change subject to "Batman really does suck"? Drink some more haterade, hater.

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@inkman141: I was speaking in terms of ability. Arkham Batman sucks by comic standards.

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It happened before he was hired. He did to prove himself worthy of being chosen.

I've played the maps many times. Where does it say that, or are you just speculating?

The trailer. That, or I'm thinking of a fan made scene...

But did you actually read my list of feats? There is more to them, than meats the eye.

Do you know anything about Hawkeye? Arkham Batman hasn't done anything to even hint he could match Clint. And this is about Slade, not the guy who effortlessly beat him.

What game were you playing?

@imperfect_cell said:
@dreadpool10 said:
@imperfect_cell said:

Lmao. Hawkeye kills Arkham Batman, Shiva, Slade, and Jason at the same time.

.... seriously?

Three of them are featless and Batman isn't that good.

Featless?

Bane has beaten three brutes with one hand. TITAN thugs can crush steal cages with ease. And Bane has beaten them. Bane in Origins was the smartest person. With an IQ of 190.

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Deathstroke fought 100 men. As well has having medical enhancements. And is conformably more skilledthan Chris.

ignore that...

Lady Shiva has beat over a dozen armed thugs in the opening to Arkham Origins, matched Batman, like you said, and is considered the best fighter.

Deadshot isn't featless.

Solomon Grundy isn't featless.

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Azreal has feats.

Killer Shark, Harley Quinn, and Captain Boomerang have feats.

So, no. Batman does not just fight fodder.

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@inkman141: I was speaking in terms of ability. Arkham Batman sucks by comic standards.

Batman punched a 23 foot shark in the face...

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@imperfect_cell: Daken is meta human like slade and his h2h feats are good but not great. Bulleyes is fodder and would get stomped easily.

And Arkham batman defeated bane, croc, Mr freeze, clay face, Solomon grundey, poison ivy, by himself without breaking a sweat. And Tim said Slade was one of the most formidable opponents batman will fight so ya they could survive venom. That's not even the thread topic though so your points are invalid.

And there's no irony because your the only fanboy here to think someone like Hawkeye beats some like batman or Deathstroke

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@inkman141: I was speaking in terms of ability. Arkham Batman sucks by comic standards.

Alright, now I know you're joking.

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#43  Edited By Vivide

Putting comics version against anything else

This is as fair as that lion vs that dentist

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Clint stomps.

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@inkman141: I was speaking in terms of ability. Arkham Batman sucks by comic standards.

So? Why would you bring Batman up for no reason and begin lowballing the dude?

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Too much salt in here for me to touch.

Hawkeye wins though.

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The trailer. That, or I'm thinking of a fan made scene...

I just watched the challenge pack trailer and it doesn't say that, so you're thinking of something fanmade.

What game were you playing?

Arkham Asylum, City, Origins, Black Gate, & Knight. Looking forward to the upcoming handheld one.

And for the second part of your post you listed unimpressive feats and gameplay, and the latter of isn't quantifiable.

Beating Deadshot is the only good feat, and even the games made a point that Batman couldn't dodge his shots, so in the SS scene Batman was either aim-timing, it was PIS, or non canon.

@sirbaronobeefdip: Hawkeye would lose to comic Batman or Deathstroke. The Arkham versions don't have the feats to match the people Hawkeye fights. That's as simple as it is.

@dreadpool10: Okay, think for a minute, what has Arkham Batman actually done? Has he ever dodged a bullet? No, and the games make it very clear he cannot. Has he ever beat somebody that was genuinely impressive? I don't think so but that's debatable. Such feats are easily replicated by most comic street-levelers.

@inkman141:

So? Why would you bring Batman up for no reason and begin lowballing the dude?

It was brought up that Slade gave Arkham Batman a hard time. But what has he even really done to be put on par with comic Batman like so many do? I'm not lowballing, he's just not very impressive, and the fact that Slade gave him a hard time isn't worth much.

So, in my opinion, he sucks. He's not good.

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@imperfect_cell: What are you talking about? The Arkham characters have a shit ton of feats. Especially in h2h and certainly enough to beat Hawkeye.

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@imperfect_cell:

It was brought up that Slade gave Arkham Batman a hard time. But what has he even really done to be put on par with comic Batman like so many do? I'm not lowballing, he's just not very impressive, and the fact that Slade gave him a hard time isn't worth much.

So, in my opinion, he sucks. He's not good.

Until someone in this thread actually says Arkham Batman is on par with comic Batman, there's no reason to start a fire. If you're not impressed with Arkham Batman in comparison to comic Batman, that's fair game. I would happily agree.

Slade giving Batman trouble is impressive depending on how you look at it. How good is Hawkeye in close quarters? Nothing I've seen actually puts him in Arkham Batman's league by a mile. From range, Hawkeye got this in the bag, but in close quarters Clint is going to have a hard time.

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@imperfect_cell: What are you talking about? The Arkham characters have a shit ton of feats. Especially in h2h and certainly enough to beat Hawkeye.

Okay. Take Deathstroke. What has he done? Beat up four fodder guys. He did it very quick and one-shotted a couple of them, but is that really impressive? Hawkeye has feats against established fighters, ergo he is more skilled.