-Ares has his adamantium axe -Emma Frost may not use telepathy, only diamond form -Beast is in his simian form -Colossus can be cut by the axe -All characters are fighting how they normally would -Morals are on -Neither side has prep
There's just a lot of them and Cyclops is a good leader. So during the battle, the team definitely has a lot of opportunities to beat him down.
First thing is , Cyclops has to keep an eye on the axe just in case Ares throws it at any of the x-men, or perhaps just blast it off of Ares hands. Cyclops also keeps Ares in a distance, or at least delay Ares pacing.
Meanwhile, Wolvie and Beast behind Emma runs towards Ares while Nightcrawler teleports x-23 and Colossus behind Ares.
" There's just a lot of them and Cyclops is a good leader. So during the battle, the team definitely has a lot of opportunities to beat him down. First thing is , Cyclops has to keep an eye on the axe just in case Ares throws it at any of the x-men, or perhaps just blast it off of Ares hands. Cyclops also keeps Ares in a distance, or at least delay Ares pacing. Meanwhile, Wolvie and Beast behind Emma runs towards Ares while Nightcrawler teleports x-23 and Colossus behind Ares. The X-Men will win. "
The end there you say that all these people run behind Ares, and then you jump right to, X-men win. I'm confused, what exactly are those people doing after they get behind him? Do they poke him and say tag you're it? Or are they going to do something to him, because(and I mean no offense) I'm not seeing how they win based on your theory.
" There's just a lot of them and Cyclops is a good leader. So during the battle, the team definitely has a lot of opportunities to beat him down. First thing is , Cyclops has to keep an eye on the axe just in case Ares throws it at any of the x-men, or perhaps just blast it off of Ares hands. Cyclops also keeps Ares in a distance, or at least delay Ares pacing. Meanwhile, Wolvie and Beast behind Emma runs towards Ares while Nightcrawler teleports x-23 and Colossus behind Ares. The X-Men will win. "
The end there you say that all these people run behind Ares, and then you jump right to, X-men win. I'm confused, what exactly are those people doing after they get behind him? Do they poke him and say tag you're it? Or are they going to do something to him, because(and I mean no offense) I'm not seeing how they win based on your theory. "
Well, there's always sharp claws for Wolverine and X-23. Besides, there are vulnerable parts of Ares, like the eyes and ears. and I believe that Colossus is stronger than Ares
Colossus wolverine & x-23 are the only one in this fight as emma frost won't do athing cyclops can't do anything either as ares has taken punches from Hercules & thor & in his minis series ares can take alot more damage then colossus could ever dream of but i'm guessing it comes down to wolverine & Ares & in origins ares one punched ko'd wolverine ,so unless they're prepared they got owned badly .
I don't know if Ares can be cut by adamantium but if he can X-23 would have the speed and reflexes to take him down. If not he would beat in whole team.
I dunno i'm slightly leaning to Ares on this one, but I will have to think it over.
Can't forget what he did to Nate Grey though and other recent feats, impressive feats racked up in a very short amount of time for a former jobber. Still very impressive none the less though.
" I really want to say Ares, but the mutants win. Ares would win if it was Logan and Peter, or Hank and Kurt, but not when all of them are there. I see Colossus, Frost and Beast pinning him down so Wolvie and his kid decapitate him. Cycklops and nightcrawler dont need to do shit! "
They aren't strong enough to pin him down. While Ares is labeled at 70 tons. His feats, like wrestling with Hercules put him above the 100 ton mark.
xmen eassily in my opinon...WWH slapped this group of xmen around fairly easy..and WWH beat ares in what one punch? do the math..like stated above wolvie would sense ares and cyke would blast him...ares drops axe the he is bull rushed and beaten to a pulp..
Colossus can just take a car and slam Ares with it,the car is big enough to keep Colossus out of Ares's reach and it can hit him with enough strength to knock the axe of his hand and even KO Ares
Cyclops has injured the likes of WWH with his visor on
assuming Ares kills Colossus (wich wont happen) Cyclops will just take off his visor and blast the hell out of Ares
" Colossus is much stronger than Ares. And even if he can be cut, he won't be an easy opponent by himself. Ares has no chance. I personally think that when Wolvie will sense him, Cyke will solo this. "
Cyclops can not solo. Especially when he is in character.
Both Ares and Colossus are 70 tons. Except Ares feats put him over 100. So Colossus is not stronger. @PrinceIMC said:
" Wolverine fights Hulk. I think the X-Men have the teamwork, intelligence, power and multiple adamantium claws to take down Ares. "
PIS@Matezoide said:
" Colossus solos Cyclops solos Colossus can just take a car and slam Ares with it,the car is big enough to keep Colossus out of Ares's reach and it can hit him with enough strength to knock the axe of his hand and even KO Ares Cyclops has injured the likes of WWH with his visor on assuming Ares kills Colossus (wich wont happen) Cyclops will just take off his visor and blast the hell out of Ares "
Cyclops can not solo. Especially when he is in character. He will not take off his visor.
Colossus can not solo. And a car is not going to keep Ares down.
" @RLAAMJR: Ares isn't going to just let them go behind and stab him to death. Ares durability can witstand a nuke. Ares has a healing factor that puts Wolverine's to shame. Colossus and Ares are both 70 ton class. Although Ares' feats put him in 100ton class. I don't think the plan is going to work. "
" @RLAAMJR: Ares isn't going to just let them go behind and stab him to death. Ares durability can witstand a nuke. Ares has a healing factor that puts Wolverine's to shame. Colossus and Ares are both 70 ton class. Although Ares' feats put him in 100ton class. I don't think the plan is going to work. "
Ares didn't withstand a nuclear anything. "
Looks like it to me. Looks like a nuke and he is clearly shown riding right to the ground withstanding the full blast.
" Colossus is much stronger than Ares. And even if he can be cut, he won't be an easy opponent by himself. Ares has no chance. I personally think that when Wolvie will sense him, Cyke will solo this. "
Cyclops can not solo. Especially when he is in character.
Both Ares and Colossus are 70 tons. Except Ares feats put him over 100. So Colossus is not stronger. @PrinceIMC said:
" Wolverine fights Hulk. I think the X-Men have the teamwork, intelligence, power and multiple adamantium claws to take down Ares. "
PIS @Matezoide said:
" Colossus solos Cyclops solos Colossus can just take a car and slam Ares with it,the car is big enough to keep Colossus out of Ares's reach and it can hit him with enough strength to knock the axe of his hand and even KO Ares Cyclops has injured the likes of WWH with his visor on assuming Ares kills Colossus (wich wont happen) Cyclops will just take off his visor and blast the hell out of Ares "
Cyclops can not solo. Especially when he is in character. He will not take off his visor. Colossus can not solo. And a car is not going to keep Ares down. "
Colossus is class 100,Ares is not what feats does Ares haves that puts him over 100? fighting Thor while amped? fighting Hercules when he got one-shotted by him 1-2 issues earlier? Cyclops injured WWH while in characther,Ares isnt even close to WWH ,he will take off his visor if Ares kills Colossus a car will keep Ares down if it is being used by a guy that is massively stronger
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" @RLAAMJR: Ares isn't going to just let them go behind and stab him to death. Ares durability can witstand a nuke. Ares has a healing factor that puts Wolverine's to shame. Colossus and Ares are both 70 ton class. Although Ares' feats put him in 100ton class. I don't think the plan is going to work. "
" I really want to say Ares, but the mutants win. Ares would win if it was Logan and Peter, or Hank and Kurt, but not when all of them are there. I see Colossus, Frost and Beast pinning him down so Wolvie and his kid decapitate him. Cycklops and nightcrawler dont need to do shit! "
They aren't strong enough to pin him down. While Ares is labeled at 70 tons. His feats, like wrestling with Hercules put him above the 100 ton mark. "
what feats that Ares have that put him in class 100
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Looks like you have no idea what kind of damage a nuke can actually do. "
So the artist drew a nuclear explosion incorrect and I don't know what I'm talking about when it clearly is a nuke?
Looks like someone doesn't like Ares.@Matezoide said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" @czarny_samael said:
" Colossus is much stronger than Ares. And even if he can be cut, he won't be an easy opponent by himself. Ares has no chance. I personally think that when Wolvie will sense him, Cyke will solo this. "
Cyclops can not solo. Especially when he is in character.
Both Ares and Colossus are 70 tons. Except Ares feats put him over 100. So Colossus is not stronger. @PrinceIMC said:
" Wolverine fights Hulk. I think the X-Men have the teamwork, intelligence, power and multiple adamantium claws to take down Ares. "
PIS @Matezoide said:
" Colossus solos Cyclops solos Colossus can just take a car and slam Ares with it,the car is big enough to keep Colossus out of Ares's reach and it can hit him with enough strength to knock the axe of his hand and even KO Ares Cyclops has injured the likes of WWH with his visor on assuming Ares kills Colossus (wich wont happen) Cyclops will just take off his visor and blast the hell out of Ares "
Cyclops can not solo. Especially when he is in character. He will not take off his visor. Colossus can not solo. And a car is not going to keep Ares down. "
Colossus is class 100,Ares is not what feats does Ares haves that puts him over 100? fighting Thor while amped? fighting Hercules when he got one-shotted by him 1-2 issues earlier? Cyclops injured WWH while in characther,Ares isnt even close to WWH ,he will take off his visor if Ares kills Colossus a car will keep Ares down if it is being used by a guy that is massively stronger
What feats does he have that suggest 100 class? Hmmmmm, H2H wrestling match with Hercules(100 class) and winning, standing toe to toe with Skaar(100 class), manhandling A-bomb(100 class).
Cyclops will not take off his visor. He is in character and morals apply. So that isn't an option to win.
Do you have scans of Cyclops injuring WWHulk? Because I'm calling PIS. WWHulk went against a full blown Sentry and it destroyed and entire city and yet Cyclops is going to cause him pain? No.(It happened), but its PIS.
Yeah, Hercules beat Ares. And Ares has beaten him.
And even if Ares wasn't strong enough to take Colossus. He is still a superior fighter and the axe can cut him.
" I really want to say Ares, but the mutants win. Ares would win if it was Logan and Peter, or Hank and Kurt, but not when all of them are there. I see Colossus, Frost and Beast pinning him down so Wolvie and his kid decapitate him. Cycklops and nightcrawler dont need to do shit! "
They aren't strong enough to pin him down. While Ares is labeled at 70 tons. His feats, like wrestling with Hercules put him above the 100 ton mark. "
what feats that Ares have that put him in class 100 "
Already said them to Matezoide. @Matezoide said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Matezoide said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Looks like you have no idea what kind of damage a nuke can actually do. "
and it is never stated Ares is riding a nuke (IIRC) "
It's not. He's trying to make an argument based on the art, but even the art doesn't properly prove that it's a nuke, given the explosion. "
the art is basicaly screaming ''it is not a nuke!'' but he's clearly ignoring it "
That is what a nuke looks like. You are ignoring the feat of durability.
" @RLAAMJR: Ares isn't going to just let them go behind and stab him to death. Ares durability can witstand a nuke. Ares has a healing factor that puts Wolverine's to shame. Colossus and Ares are both 70 ton class. Although Ares' feats put him in 100ton class. I don't think the plan is going to work. "
Ares didn't withstand a nuclear anything. "
Looks like it to me. Looks like a nuke and he is clearly shown riding right to the ground withstanding the full blast. "
Looks like a plain old bomb to me and that's not a nuclear blast its just an explosion.
You can keep trying to justify this any way you'd like. But you're making unsubstantiated claims based on the bomb was drawn.... when your ignoring other portions of the art. Nice.
What feats does he have that suggest 100 class? Hmmmmm, H2H wrestling match with Hercules(100 class) and winning, standing toe to toe with Skaar(100 class), manhandling A-bomb(100 class). Cyclops will not take off his visor. He is in character and morals apply. So that isn't an option to win. Do you have scans of Cyclops injuring WWHulk? Because I'm calling PIS. WWHulk went against a full blown Sentry and it destroyed and entire city and yet Cyclops is going to cause him pain? No.(It happened), but its PIS. Yeah, Hercules beat Ares. And Ares has beaten him. And even if Ares wasn't strong enough to take Colossus. He is still a superior fighter and the axe can cut him. "
wrestling Hercules when he got one-shotted in the past and required a major upgrade to hold his own against Thor? he didnt go toe-to-toe with Skaar,he just didnt get slaughtered,they never traded blows (IIRC) taking down A-Bomb? the same A-Bomb that took blows from the Red Hulk that produced earthquakes and shrugged then? you really believe Ares can do more damage than Red-Hulk? He is in characther,but when he sees a friend of his getting killed,he will say ''f*ck it'' and unleash against him,thats not off-characther Dont have scans,Scott simply unleashed all his power (wich you are underestimating) and injured WWH a bit,he fighting Sentry doesnt means much,WWH was severely injured by Sentry's powers,he just healed
Hercules one-shotted Ares,defeated him 1-2 issues later,had the upper-hand against him in an Avengers issue and broke his leg in another instance,Ares cant compare to him
So? what was the last time Ares showed his ''amazing'' skills? not like this matters,a car is longer than an axe and Colossus's arms are bigger than Ares,he can easly smash him with a car until Ares is down while staying out of his reach having Emma,Wolverine (who can injure Ares),X-23 (who can also injure Ares),Beast (way faster than Ares) and Cyclops blasting him helps as well
The fact that other normal people with no special resistances are parachuting into the area where the explosion went off proves its not a nuke. They would have been fried in the air.
The fact that other normal people with no special resistances are parachuting into the area where the explosion went off proves its not a nuke. They would have been fried in the air. "
heck,just looking at the explosion size is enough to tell it is not a nuke
X-Men take this as they have the brawn, brains and vast experience of fighting together. While not an easy opponent he maybe hes coming up against a well organised and tough group of people who will work tactically to take him down. Colossus is a handful alone if not a major problem
@PrinceIMC: Looks like a nuke to me.@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Looks like you have no idea what kind of damage a nuke can actually do. "
So the artist drew a nuclear explosion incorrect and I don't know what I'm talking about when it clearly is a nuke?
Looks like someone doesn't like Ares.
"
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Okay. I posted a scan of the explosion. Looks pretty large to me. Can we get the actual radius of the blast, no. We can only judge. My opinion is that it is a nuke. The picture of the bomb clearly looks like a nuke. So, IMO, its a nuke.
I'm not ignoring the art, you are. It show a nuke, that is what a nuke looks like(although its not an exact replica obviously).
But I'm honestly not getting into a fight or argument over one little scan. If you don't like the scan or don't feel its a nuke, then fine, I respect your decision, but I'm not getting in to some slugfest(wordfest) over a scan. It is what it is. @Matezoide said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
What feats does he have that suggest 100 class? Hmmmmm, H2H wrestling match with Hercules(100 class) and winning, standing toe to toe with Skaar(100 class), manhandling A-bomb(100 class). Cyclops will not take off his visor. He is in character and morals apply. So that isn't an option to win. Do you have scans of Cyclops injuring WWHulk? Because I'm calling PIS. WWHulk went against a full blown Sentry and it destroyed and entire city and yet Cyclops is going to cause him pain? No.(It happened), but its PIS. Yeah, Hercules beat Ares. And Ares has beaten him. And even if Ares wasn't strong enough to take Colossus. He is still a superior fighter and the axe can cut him. "
wrestling Hercules when he got one-shotted in the past and required a major upgrade to hold his own against Thor? he didnt go toe-to-toe with Skaar,he just didnt get slaughtered,they never traded blows (IIRC) taking down A-Bomb? the same A-Bomb that took blows from the Red Hulk that produced earthquakes and shrugged then? you really believe Ares can do more damage than Red-Hulk? He is in characther,but when he sees a friend of his getting killed,he will say ''f*ck it'' and unleash against him,thats not off-characther Dont have scans,Scott simply unleashed all his power (wich you are underestimating) and injured WWH a bit,he fighting Sentry doesnt means much,WWH was severely injured by Sentry's powers,he just healed Hercules one-shotted Ares,defeated him 1-2 issues later,had the upper-hand against him in an Avengers issue and broke his leg in another instance,Ares cant compare to him So? what was the last time Ares showed his ''amazing'' skills? not like this matters,a car is longer than an axe and Colossus's arms are bigger than Ares,he can easly smash him with a car until Ares is down while staying out of his reach having Emma,Wolverine (who can injure Ares),X-23 (who can also injure Ares),Beast (way faster than Ares) and Cyclops blasting him helps as well "
The upgrade against Thor was Classic Thor, so its irrelevant for the fight because its also Classic Ares.
They did trade blows. I'll provide scans if you wish. It was a brief fight, but still.
And Ares shows his skill a lot when he fights some of the people he does. Him fighting Hercules would suggest strength, but I believe(and its just my opinion) that he gets the upperhand on characters such as Skaar and A-bomb(who, based on bios, significantly outclass him in strength) because he is a superior fighter, but as I said its just my opinion.
Hercules broke Ares leg thanks to Athena. And, yes, I know Hercules has beaten Ares has also beaten him. And he did it by wrestling him. They were evenly match. Clearly matching Hercules strength. And as you know Hercules is much above 100 tons.
" @PrinceIMC: Looks like a nuke to me.@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Looks like you have no idea what kind of damage a nuke can actually do. "
So the artist drew a nuclear explosion incorrect and I don't know what I'm talking about when it clearly is a nuke?
Looks like someone doesn't like Ares.
"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You can keep trying to justify this any way you'd like. But you're making unsubstantiated claims based on the bomb was drawn.... when your ignoring other portions of the art. Nice. "
Okay. I posted a scan of the explosion. Looks pretty large to me. Can we get the actual radius of the blast, no. We can only judge. My opinion is that it is a nuke. The picture of the bomb clearly looks like a nuke. So, IMO, its a nuke.
I'm not ignoring the art, you are. It show a nuke, that is what a nuke looks like(although its not an exact replica obviously).
But I'm honestly not getting into a fight or argument over one little scan. If you don't like the scan or don't feel its a nuke, then fine, I respect your decision, but I'm not getting in to some slugfest(wordfest) over a scan. It is what it is. @Matezoide said:
The fact that other normal people with no special resistances are parachuting into the area where the explosion went off proves its not a nuke. They would have been fried in the air. "
heck,just looking at the explosion size is enough to tell it is not a nuke "
To Prince: I could accept that if it weren't for the fact its a comic. Dumb stuff happens all the time. Not too mention they are shown above the explosion not inside it.
To Matezoide: Art changes based on artist. Look at the scans I just gave you for instance. Ares' axe looks really different in both, but that doesn't mean its not Ares' axe, its just what artist do. Now, maybe its not a nuke, but you can't really say its not because the explosion looks small in the picture, it doesn't really prove, but at the same time I can't really say that it is a nuke because it looks like one, maybe the artist was just going for a regular bomb.
Dude Colossus is stronger than Ares unfortunately. And with help from Beast and Frost he can hold him for a short while, and thats all the time Logan needs. Sorry bro X-men has his number. With Kurt and Scott it would be Stomp!!!! Marvel should give Ares a upgrade when comes back. 70 Tons for the God of war is just ridiculous!!!
" Fist_of_Mandalore I'm going to give you a little bit of advice here, use the Nate Grey v Ares in Dark X Men fight to your advantage.... "
Unfortunately I have never seen this and don't have the comic or scans. Would happen to be able to give them to me. @Matezoide said:
" @PrinceIMC said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore said:
" "
The fact that other normal people with no special resistances are parachuting into the area where the explosion went off proves its not a nuke. They would have been fried in the air. "
heck,just looking at the explosion size is enough to tell it is not a nuke "
To Prince: I could accept that if it weren't for the fact its a comic. Dumb stuff happens all the time. Not too mention they are shown above the explosion not inside it.
To Matezoide: Art changes based on artist. Look at the scans I just gave you for instance. Ares' axe looks really different in both, but that doesn't mean its not Ares' axe, its just what artist do. Now, maybe its not a nuke, but you can't really say its not because the explosion looks small in the picture, it doesn't really prove, but at the same time I can't really say that it is a nuke because it looks like one, maybe the artist was just going for a regular bomb.
Getting off for a little. I will be back and respond to the rest of your messages.
@Greendevil said:
" @Fist_of_Mandalore: Dude Colossus is stronger than Ares unfortunately. And with help from Beast and Frost he can hold him for a short while, and thats all the time Logan needs. Sorry bro X-men has his number. With Kurt and Scott it would be Stomp!!!! Marvel should give Ares a upgrade when comes back. 70 Tons for the God of war is just ridiculous!!! "
I never said the X-men can't win. I'm not even defending Ares saying that they can't win. I'm saying that Colossus or Cyclops can't solo. Thats what I am defending.
@Lance Uppercut: Real life explosion, doesn't necessarily = a drawn explosion. Read what I said to Matezoide about art, other than that, as I said I'm done discussing the scan. No need for argument. I'm simply focusing on proving that Colossus and Cyclops can't solo, thats all I'm even trying to prove. Not that Ares wins because of his durability.
The fight agaisnt Skaar doesn't proves Ares having any array of super strength, the fight agains A-Bomb only proves enoguh strenght to hold his body, not to push towards him with him pushing too.
Cyclops in character made an assassin squad to hunt the enemies of mutantkind. Cyclops in character killed Donald Pierce. Cyclops in character opened Mr. Sinister chest with a blast.
Kill one of Scotty's friends and he will blast you to death. Plus he is a leader and feels on charge of everything, so the rage on him would be incredible. His blasts can destroy mountains and even small planets as has been stated on comic.
I'm a huge Ares fan. I really like him, I think he was the best character of dark reign (he appeared on nearly more comics than Norman during this saga). But please, for the sake of a character I really like, don't fall on fanboyism like what happened with storm fanboys, he could defeat Cyclops alone, but not this entire team acting as an united squad (and there aren't many teams that can act as an squad as this one does). It only took one (empowered) x-woman to take Ares down during Utopia. He is facing here adamantium claws on two regenerative opponents, diamond punches and 100 class super-strenght plus probably the best in-combat teleporter of Marvel, Cyclops who is a top3 strategist (with Fury and Rogers, maybe top1) and has his blasts, one of the most powerful ofensive powers on a mutant (according to sinister, all the summers are gifted with some of the most powerful x-genes), and one of the best science men of Marvel, and this one can jump and hit.
He has an adamantium axe? Nightcrawler can take it from him, teleport back and give it to Colossus or even Beast who surely can wield it. Then while the 2 girls distract him, Colossus do a combo fastball special (the one that involves nightcrawler teleporting wolverine so he has the momentum but changes his postition and trayectory, we saw it when the x-men moved to San Francisco) so wolverine appears at the back of ares with his adamantium claws and high speed, beast jumps high throws the axe from another direction (not a trayectory that could hurt wolvie if avoided) and Cyclops blasts him. There is not an angle of scape (not with Scott's incredible spatial vision involved on the ecuation). Knock out.
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