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#1 Posted by Trigon (226 posts) - - Show Bio

Weapons: They have none.  
Aquaman (Flashpoint) vs Human Torch (Johnny Storm).
Prep: Random encounter. 
Character: Morals On. (Friendly Spar) 
Condition for Winning: K.O. 
Battle Area: Metropolis streets. They can move to a new location if need be. 
Who is the winner for here? 
 
 

#2 Posted by Kallarkz (3389 posts) - - Show Bio

I think a bit more info about Aquamans dependency in stating hydrated is needed.

Still a bit hard to see what all the DC characters can do.

#3 Posted by Erick_Williams (800 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny takes this luckily

#4 Posted by momo111191 (254 posts) - - Show Bio

aquaman he is strong enough to get to the water next to metropolis where he can out wait the brash touch and get him when he makes a move.

#5 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12647 posts) - - Show Bio

This is flash point, meaning he may have the waterhand still....if that is the case...he may win, if not, he will lose

#6 Posted by Nefarious (27276 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman.

#7 Edited by Raw_Material (3472 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman stomps.

#8 Posted by batnorris (686 posts) - - Show Bio

@raw_material: idk honestly... those AM scans u showed me were impressive but like my argument for otto, i'm pretty sure that johnny can outlast AM's need for water eventually. and that's without considering that his fire blasts and heat can speed up his hydration need. I say one nova flame and AM turns into my aunt's delicious fried tilapia!y u say aquaman stomps?

#9 Posted by SirNickTheEpic (670 posts) - - Show Bio

johnny water doesn't affect his flame he controls it and heat, johnny wins hands down

#10 Posted by oceanmaster21 (10905 posts) - - Show Bio

this is a good fight hard to call

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#11 Edited by comic_book_fan (6413 posts) - - Show Bio

torch wins.

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#12 Edited by BlackWind (8179 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Aquaman get his TP?

#13 Posted by dondave (39825 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman

#14 Edited by comicfan11 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman.

He is extremely resistant to energy/heat attacks and strong enough to KO Torch.

He can also jump real high and react fast enough to tag Torch.

#15 Posted by comic_book_fan (6413 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny wins by increasing the heat on him until aquaman dehydrates then deep frying him.

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#16 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: Johnny wins by increasing the heat on him until aquaman dehydrates then deep frying him.

Absolutely not. The OP demands this be a "Friendly Spar" with morals on. There will be no "deep frying" in this match-up.

#17 Edited by The_Red_Viper (4688 posts) - - Show Bio

FLASHPOINT Aquaman?

'nuff said.

#18 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_red_viper:

Exactly. He telepathically convinces Johnny Storm that he's scared of flames, ending this sparring match before it even starts.

#19 Posted by Raw_Material (3472 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman stomps.

#20 Edited by comic_book_fan (6413 posts) - - Show Bio
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#21 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan:

This is a battle between the exclusively brick She-Hulk. She is ONLY superstrong and superdurable. Pre-Flashpoint Aquaman, in addition to both of those things, is a devastating telepath. An attack Johnny Storm has no defense against.

#22 Edited by comic_book_fan (6413 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet:

also an attack Aquaman rarely thinks to use on anything other than fish.

Aquaman needs more water making him more susceptible to dehydration and it's effects and he can't fly so even though he is as fast as torch he can't follow once Johnny begins to fly.

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#23 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: also an attack Aquaman rarely thinks to use on anything other than fish.

Wrong. Aquaman has (among MANY other very impressive feats) mind raped a White Martian back during JLA Vol.1. Are you truly prepared to risk your credibility here on the 'Vine by saying that Sue Richards' little brother has more TP defenses than a 6000 year old member of an entire race of Class 3 Level telepaths?

#24 Posted by comic_book_fan (6413 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet:

no I am not saying that I am saying that is one thing he can do and it is never the first thing he does he more than likely would try to attack Johnny physically rather than go to telepathy first thing.

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#25 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: no I am not saying that I am saying that is one thing he can do and it is never the first thing he does he more than likely would try to attack Johnny physically rather than go to telepathy first thing.

I disagree due to the fact that the Mindrape feat I spoke of in my previous posting WAS his opening move! He didn't throw one punch, kick, or throw loose debris in the Martian's direction. He simply didn't want to be bothered and straight blasted his ass. Off top. He could easily duplicate that here.

#26 Edited by jojjimbo (2519 posts) - - Show Bio

If Aquaman has his TP and water hand then he wins easy, if not, then i give it to Johnny...

#27 Posted by comic_book_fan (6413 posts) - - Show Bio

@heraldofganthet:

then again aren't white Martians just as strong as green or somewhere in that ballpark in speed and strength if so maybe aquman knew he didn't stand a chance in a physical fight so that was his best option it is here as well but would he know that right off the bat.

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#28 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan:then again aren't white Martians just as strong as green or somewhere in that ballpark in speed and strength if so maybe aquman knew he didn't stand a chance in a physical fight so that was his best option it is here as well but would he know that right off the bat.

Black Manta's helm fires concentrated heated concussive optic blasts strong enough to melt steel and shatter rebar reinforced concrete. He fights and seeks the death of Aquaman relentlessly. Aquaman has proven for several decades to have a pronounced resistance to both his and others heat-based attacks. If Johnny played keep-away from him throwing fireballs then yes, he's getting his mind blown. Maybe from the beginning of this mix-up. Just like if he fought (excuse me, sparred) Jean Grey or Emma Frost.

#29 Posted by xxxddd (3706 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman stomps.

@dondave said:

Aquaman

And what feat does Aquaman have to prove he can withstand Torch's Nova flame?

#30 Posted by jashro44 (29267 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny has no TP defense.

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#31 Edited by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@xxxddd: And what feat does Aquaman have to prove he can withstand Torch's Nova flame?

The OP itself, due to the fact that this is a "Friendly Spar" with morals on. A nuclear level blast would by definition be disallowed, taking it completely off the table.

#32 Posted by TheWhiteLantern (171 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman without a doubt. Its a friendly spar, and also his skin is highly resistant to extreme heat (and tons of other stuff). Though if it were a bloodlusted fight then Johnny may have a chance.

#33 Edited by cfrehse (1139 posts) - - Show Bio

idk if aquaman doesn't mind rape him jonny can bring more heat that he could handle hands down. Human torch has the movement adavantage but aquaman has the strength advantage

#34 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (4118 posts) - - Show Bio

@cfrehse: idk if aquaman doesn't mind rape him jonny can bring more heat that he could handle hands down. Human torch has the movement adavantage but aquaman has the strength advantage

Don't forget that TP has various applications. He (Aquaman) doesn't have to make Johnny a vegetable. He could just plant the suggestion that Johnny is in fact deathly afraid of fire. Too scared to even "Flame On" in the first place, Arthur could easily/casually walk over to Johnny and pluck him into unconsciousness. Fight over. And all Johnny would need at that point would be an aspirin to deal with his headache and an ice pack to deal with the swelling at the contact site on the side of his head when he wakes up. Since this is just a friendly sparring match, that is...

#35 Posted by Cyclops4President (587 posts) - - Show Bio

Cyclops says Aquaman wins, and you know "Cyclops was right"!

#36 Posted by batmannflash (6272 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman

#37 Posted by Lion_Heart22 (463 posts) - - Show Bio

@cyclops4president: QFTW

Current Aquaman takes this. He is a physical powerhouse now. He can make Superman feel a punch and lift thousands of tons. He can swim faster than the speed of sound, like 20 times so. Do the math and you'll see that due to water density, and the strength he would need to have in his legs to be able to swim that fast, that he's quite possibly fast enough to give Quicksilver a run for his money, so he's gonna be hard to tag even by Johnny.

He's a much better fighter and strategist than Johnny is, and possesses a natural resistance to heat based attacks. The original Human Torch could hang with Namor, but he was an android capable of resisting punishment the likes of which Johnny would not be able to bear, and with Aquaman's superhuman senses and leaping ability he can catch up with Torch eventually. One solid hit from Aquaman would be enough. This is all on land. If Aquaman gets to the water (and he only needs a leap or so to get to), then there's really nothing Johnny can do.

Now, onto Aquaman's real advantage here, his Telepathic ability. This is Pre-flashpoint or close to it. That means his telepathic powers are in full force. They are strong enough to reach throughout the entire earth. He can influence and affect anything that evolved from marine biology, and that includes humans. He's fought Despero solo both physically and mentally, so you know he's got both the telepathic range and power to take out Johnny. All he needs to do is give Johnny a seizure, long enough for Aquaman to reach him and tag him once since that's all it would take.

For Johnny to cause Aquaman any significant damage, he would have to be bloodlusted and ready and willing to use Nova level flame in the middle of a populated area with the intent of killing his enemy. Since morals are on, that is highly unlikely. Even if Johnny was allowed to use that, I still think Aquaman could employ his speed to survive it and come up on top.

All Hail the King.

#38 Posted by Cyclops4President (587 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by SirNickTheEpic (670 posts) - - Show Bio

what ever aquaman throws johnny evaporates or melts and hes way too fast for aquaman

#40 Posted by patrat18 (11589 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by ForeverEvil (4887 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman stomps

#42 Edited by Son_of_simba (752 posts) - - Show Bio

johnny goes nova turning aquaman into a burnt stain on the floor if aquaman can get the first hit though he may yet walk away from this

#43 Posted by SilverGalford (3420 posts) - - Show Bio

stalemate probably.

#44 Posted by myerlanski (1923 posts) - - Show Bio

Water hand aquaman for the win....

#45 Posted by BlackWind (8179 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman wins.

Even if this is a friendly sparring match, the fact that Johnny will likely be buzzing around in the air will make it obvious that it would be an annoyance for Aquaman to try and jump to get him down. Common sense says he uses a little TP just to disorient Torch for two seconds or so, jumps in the air, and knocks him out.

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#47 Posted by ManInTheMountain (1135 posts) - - Show Bio

Water > Fire

I'm on Team Aquaman

#48 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (11409 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman wins.

Even if this is a friendly sparring match, the fact that Johnny will likely be buzzing around in the air will make it obvious that it would be an annoyance for Aquaman to try and jump to get him down. Common sense says he uses a little TP just to disorient Torch for two seconds or so, jumps in the air, and knocks him out.

This

#49 Posted by Darkgenex (945 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny boils Aquaman in his own territory.

#50 Posted by BlackWind (8179 posts) - - Show Bio