#1 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Takes place on a small island close to the sea. Neither Aquaman nor Namor have their Trident of Neptune, Ocean Master have his trident and Black Manta has standard equipment. Morals on, win KO.

Round 2: Takes place in the depths of the deep blue. Aquaman have his trident this time around, however Ocean Master does not, but both him and Black Manta have 10 hours prep. Morals off, everyone is bloodlusted, win by Death.

#2 Posted by Bo88gdan (4414 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman & Namor both rounds

#3 Posted by BlackWind (6498 posts) - - Show Bio

Its still too early to judge New 52 Orm's levels off the little we've seen.

#4 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 both rounds,I'm not sure what Manta is gonna do without prep.

#5 Posted by Nefarious (20643 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 wins, of course.

#6 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

Disagreed...if this is new-52, Manta was crushing Arthur in H2H, and Arthur only won by using his trident. So, w/out it in Round 1, Manta is likely able to beat Arthur. In Round 1, Orm vastly outclasses them all - a) his staff, while not quite as powerful as Arthur's trident, is pretty nasty, and b) his helm enables him to control the water, which in both rounds is a huge advantage (he was able to trap WW and Supes in water constructs...that was pretty impressive as far as feats go). His strength is at least on par with Arthur's, which is pretty nasty as well in the new-52.

Round 2, Manta will be way weaker compared to the other 3 underwater, and without his Trident Orm is at a huge disadvantage 2. Team 1 easy.

So, recap: Round 1: team 2, round 2: team 1

#7 Posted by dondave (37990 posts) - - Show Bio

@Equonox said:

Disagreed...if this is new-52, Manta was crushing Arthur in H2H, and Arthur only won by using his trident. So, w/out it in Round 1, Manta is likely able to beat Arthur. In Round 1, Orm vastly outclasses them all - a) his staff, while not quite as powerful as Arthur's trident, is pretty nasty, and b) his helm enables him to control the water, which in both rounds is a huge advantage (he was able to trap WW and Supes in water constructs...that was pretty impressive as far as feats go). His strength is at least on par with Arthur's, which is pretty nasty as well in the new-52.

Round 2, Manta will be way weaker compared to the other 3 underwater, and without his Trident Orm is at a huge disadvantage 2. Team 1 easy.

So, recap: Round 1: team 2, round 2: team 1

Wonderfully written

#8 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Team 1 wins, of course.
#9 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#10 Posted by Original_Human_Torch (166 posts) - - Show Bio

Namor > Aquaman > villain clowns.

Heroes ftw.

#11 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@Original_Human_Torch: Definitely not if we are talking New-52 (which we are). You obviously haven't read any of the Throne of Atlantis or The Others story arcs from Aquaman/JL, they make it pretty clear that Orm and Manta are pretty nasty in the new-52

#12 Posted by entropy_aegis (15338 posts) - - Show Bio

@Equonox said:

Disagreed...if this is new-52, Manta was crushing Arthur in H2H, and Arthur only won by using his trident. So, w/out it in Round 1, Manta is likely able to beat Arthur. In Round 1, Orm vastly outclasses them all - a) his staff, while not quite as powerful as Arthur's trident, is pretty nasty, and b) his helm enables him to control the water, which in both rounds is a huge advantage (he was able to trap WW and Supes in water constructs...that was pretty impressive as far as feats go). His strength is at least on par with Arthur's, which is pretty nasty as well in the new-52.

Round 2, Manta will be way weaker compared to the other 3 underwater, and without his Trident Orm is at a huge disadvantage 2. Team 1 easy.

So, recap: Round 1: team 2, round 2: team 1

Manta only threw Arthur(judo toss) hardly crushing him.He never showed any super strength.Manta has a shot if he's equipped with some of those Atlantean artifacts that he used in the Others story,without he's boned.

#13 Posted by darkelf35 (518 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman beats Black Manta on a daily basis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A35twG_8mBA

lol

#14 Edited by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: His helmet blasts seemed to be doing significant damage. On land, w/out his staff, I don't think Arthur could take him simply because Manta can range him and keep his distance. Also I think his harpoon gun could kill him if he managed to tag him...

Also, Orm w/ his staff is significantly stronger than Namor/Aquaman without theirs...not to mention that on an island his powers are much more useful than Aquaman's.

#15 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman has already tanked BM's harpoon gun and it was also electrified. It barely slowed him down. Plus he also tanked point blast eye beams from Manta. Manta for the most part managed to break up the fights and escape. In the final fight AQ tore up his helmet and broke his arm.

BM's suit is very durable (bulletproof on panel) and grants some degree of superstrength but in the long run AQ is to much physically.

The Ocean Master seems very powerful though, but I'll have an opinion after ToA is over. But AQ still looked more impressive physically (in the fight with JL he showed genuine superspeed vs WW).

So I believe team 1 would win a tough fight.

#16 Posted by Original_Human_Torch (166 posts) - - Show Bio

Dude, Namor can battle Hulk, and back in the day WIN! Namor & Aquaman > Sea Villain Clowns...

#17 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

Nu52 Ocean Master and Black Manta are powerhouses.

OM took out Batman, Aquaman, Superman and Wonder Woman.

Plus in Nu52 Atlanteans are strong enough to punch Superman.

I still believe team 1 would win but team 2 is really powerful.

#18 Posted by Original_Human_Torch (166 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11:

Really? Also, your Avatar looks kinda like... Jim Hammond aka "Original Human Torch"! ; )

#19 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@Original_Human_Torch: Yeah. The fight happens in JL 15 (current series). And there's also a New 52 Aquaman and a New 52 Ocean Master respect thread here in the vine forums.

Heh it's actually Emperor Aquaman from the Flashpoint series.