Apollo vs Blue Marvel

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Let's compare both characters :

Apollo :

Solar Energy

Apollo using his power.
Apollo using his power.

Apollo's abilities are powered by solar energy, which he absorbs from the Sun's UV rays, which he is also able to store limited quantities inside his body. The way in which Apollo absorbs sunlight is similar to photosynthesis. However, with no exposure to sunlight, he will quickly lose his powers, starting with his ability to fly. Apollo is able to quickly regain this ability with about 20 seconds of sunlight exposure, and will be fully charged in 2 hours. When at full power, Apollo can withstand the molten heat of the Earth's core, destroy entire spaceships by flying through them at imperceptible speeds, and practically level entire city blocks. He is also able to survive in the vacuum of space by simply not breathing, and he does not require food or drink to survive, although he enjoys both. Apollo has also demonstrated that he is capable of circling the globe in approximately sixty seconds. While the full range and extent of his powers are astounding, it is possible for his energy stores to become depleted if kept out of the sun long enough. Apollo's main abilities include:

  • Vast superhuman strength
  • Self propelled flight
  • Invulnerability to harm
  • Solar blasts which shoot from his eyes

After the events of World's End, Apollo's powers and physiology have changed dramatically. His solar charge now depletes at a much faster rate and leaves him weaker than it ever did before. For this very reason, he constantly stays in the sun, only coming down to Earth when necessary. Because of this, Apollo is only capable of fighting for short periods of time before needing a recharge. His recharging, however, seems much more effective as it has been shown that he can reform bone by basking in the rays of the sun.

Blue Marvel

Powers

Blue Marvel.
Blue Marvel.

Blue Marvel's powers are a result of being mutated, by radiation generated by the then unstable event horizon to the Negative Zone; the experiment renders him unaffected by antimatter. His powers make him a force to be reckoned with and one of the strongest beings in the Universe.

Antimatter Manipulation: Blue Marvel is the first Antimatter Generator and Reactor; the source of his power is the energy released from anti-matter. Antimatter is the same as normal matter, except that the sub-atomic particles are the opposite charge. Therefore, antimatter and normal matter cannot coexist without exploding.

  • Concussion Beams: Blue Marvel can release beams of pure solidified antimatter that causes concussive damage. The effects of these beams rang from slight push, hard hit, knock-out, minor and major damage, shattering, and total annihilation of the target.
  • Concussive Force Bolts: Blue Marvel can release anti-matter energy from his hands as bolts of concussive force.
  • Stun Bolts: Blue Marvel can project low-energy of antimatter bolts that render human beings unconscious.
  • Energy Constructs: Blue Marvel can turn antimatter into any item he's seen, can imagine, or has a good idea how it functions.
  • Energy Enhanced Punches: Blue Marvel can focus antimatter into his fists, which he can then use to shatter substances.
  • Energy Pulse: Blue Marvel can produce a surge of antimatter from his entire body, as a massive omnidirectional pulse of devastation power.
  • Energy Shields: Blue Marvel has been seen creating antimatter shields.The shields are strong enough to deflect and absorb charging attacks from King Hyperio.

Antimatter Stabilization: According to Blue Marvel himself, he is a stable "antimatter reactor", but from his broader explanation, what he appears to do is channel exotic particles generated by a stable event horizon, caused by the interaction of opposing positive matter and negative matter (Negative Zone) universes. Because Blue Marvel has retained his powers all this time, it would seem that either the specific generative reaction that granted him his powers, continues at an unseen or subatomic level in the facility where he first gained his powers, or exotic particles generated by the experiment somehow became quantum entangled with Blue Marvel. He is able to stabilize antimatter, where anti-matter and matter would normally annihilate each other upon physical contact; Blue Marvel can prevent such an occurrence for a variety of effects, ranging from matter-antimatter constructs to the cohabitation of matter and antimatter beings.

Blue Marvel vs King Hyperion.
Blue Marvel vs King Hyperion.

Incalculable Strength: Blue Marvel possesses vast levels of superhuman strength, and is stated to be in the same league as Sentry, Hulk, and Thor strength wise; Blue Marvel has the potential to be the most powerful hero on Earth. He was seen effortlessly lifting the 1960 era's American warship 'Enterprise' which weighs over 93,000 tons, but is capable of greater feats of strength, as shown when he easily moved a meteor "easily the size of Arkansas". Blue Marvel is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons easily, as shown when he's lifted a disabled battleship weighing 100,000 tons and flew it back to port for repair. The Watcher said that Blue Marvel could have "split the moon in two" with one blow. Prince Namor himself stated that after Blue Marvel's long hiatus, that only the Hulk and Thor have hit him as hard. Blue Marvel went toe to toe with Sentry, as well as with the rest of the Avengers; he knocked Sentry unconscious into orbit in a single blow, for several minutes. Sentry barely beat Blue Marvel, requiring the distraction of a prolonged and exhausting fight with The Avengers including Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares and Iron Man to deliver a solid blow. The uppermost limits of Blue Marvel's strength is unknown, but it equals or exceeds the likes of a vastly enraged Hulk, Sentry and others.

Invulnerability: Blue Marvel possess nigh-invulnerability similar to Sentry, and has no physical weaknesses; he can withstand: tremendous impact forces, high-caliber bullets, exposure to temperature and pressure extremes, and powerful energy blasts without sustaining injury. When swimming to his base in the Mariana Trench (deepest part of ocean), he remains unaffected by the Ocean's pressure. Blue Marvel has also withstood a nuclear detonation at ground zero, without any apparent physical trauma whatsoever.

Superhuman Durability: Blue Marvel's tissue, skin, muscles, bones, etc. are extremely dense/solid, allowing him to withstand harmful strains on his body; he's has survived a 1 megaton atomic bomb exploding in his hands without suffering any type of damage. He also withstood blows from a large collection of superhumans such as: Ms. Marvel, Ares, Iron Man, Wonder Man, and Sentry while remaining unharmed.

Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his nigh invulnerability, it is possible to injure Blue Marvel. If injured, he can heal from any type of injury instantaneously, this includes cellular regeneration and rejuvenation. His healing factor also makes him immune to drugs, disease, and all harmful foreign substances. It also keeps him at optimal health and at his physical prime.

Superhuman Reflexes: Blue Marvel reflexes are superior to those of the finest human athletes. He's capable of catching bullets and dodging projectiles.

Superhuman Agility: Blue Marvel's natural balance, agility, and body coordination are enhanced to levels that are far beyond the natural physical limits of even the finest human athlete.

Superhuman Stamina: Blue Marvel's enhanced musculature is far more efficient than that of a humans. His muscles produces very little fatigue toxins, thereby granting him almost unlimited stamina.

Self-Sustenance: Blue Marvel can survive in harsh environments without air, food, or water. He's also able to survive in the deepest parts of the ocean and unaided in space.

Superhuman Speed: Blue Marvel is capable of thinking, moving, and reacting vastly faster than any normal human being. His top speed is unknown, but he's shown to be fast enough to keep up with Sentry.

Even at high speeds, Blue Marvel can turn at right angles.
Even at high speeds, Blue Marvel can turn at right angles.

Flight: Blue Marvel flies by manipulation of gravitons, manipulation of magnetic fields, control of his absolute molecular movement, and utilizing his superhuman speed. Although his top flight speed remains unknown, he can fly far beyond supersonic speeds, reach speeds of at least escape velocity (7 miles per second), and has been seen flying into space unaided under his own power.

Superhuman Sense: Blue Marvel possesses sensory abilities that exceed far above normal human capabilities.

  • Enhanced Vision
  • Enhanced Sense of Smell
  • Enhanced Sense of Taste
  • Enhanced Hearing
  • Enhanced Sense of Touch
  • Enhanced Mental Perception: Blue Marvel possesses the ability to sense & comprehend things on levels that far exceed human capabilities.

Matter Manipulation/Transmutation: Blue Marvel can manipulate, control, and reshape matter at the molecular level. Blue Marvel can also transmute matter into antimatter and vise versa.

Blue Marvel not only healed Monica Rambeau, but further boosted her electromagnetic abilities, through use of his Anti-Matter powers.
Blue Marvel not only healed Monica Rambeau, but further boosted her electromagnetic abilities, through use of his Anti-Matter powers.

Molecular Manipulation: Blue Marvel is able to affect matter at a molecular level with a great degree of precision and control. He displayed this ability, when he not only healed Monica Rambeau, but further boosted her electromagnetic abilities. It is not known if this power is limited to electromagnetic particles only, or if Blue Marvel is able to affect all matter, allowing him to alter an object's molecular composition or transmute elements.

Light Generation: Blue Marvel has exhibited the ability literally "create his own light".

Longevity: Blue Marvel ages at a vastly slower rate than that of normal human beings, which greatly extends his life-span. Although centuries old, Blue Marvel remains at his physical prime.

Abilities

Athlete: Adam is a highly talented Football Player, and former Fullback at Cornell University.

Combat: Adam has been trained by the US Marines in armed and unarmed combat at Montford Point. He was able to directly engage Iron man, Ares, Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel in combat at the same time, and casually overpower them.

Adam is highly intelligent.
Adam is highly intelligent.
The University of Maryland, where Adam teaches Theoretical Physics.
The University of Maryland, where Adam teaches Theoretical Physics.

Super Genius: Adam has a Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics and a Bachelors of Science Degree in Electrical Engineering from Cornell University, where he graduated Magna cum laude. Adam is a genius in the field of Theoretical Physics, and has made extraordinary strides in the study of antimatter; Spider-Man is familiar with Adams work, and is impressed. Adam is also a Physics Professor at the University of Maryland. He's capable of creating complex battle plans on the fly with teams he’s never worked with, and also creates portal technology on his own for fun.

Why Blue Marvel wins ?

He has more powers and the powers common to both are more powerful for Blue Marvel
He has better feats : he has beaten King Hyperion, Anti-Man and a fraction of Shuma-Gorath.

He is smarter, a better fighter and on top of his additional powers of energy and anti-matter matnipulation he has enhanced senses so he can overcome and feint Apollo easily.

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Blue Marvel still wins, but in a very good fight...

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Blue Marvel still wins, but in a very good fight...

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Blue Marvel easily.

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Marvel Blue

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LMAO!

my initial thought when reading the first page

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I literally see Blue Marvel overpowering Apollo the entire fight. Would be like when Wraith fought Superman for the first time.

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#213  Edited By Horus_1

After reading the first few pages of this thread, I've come to the conclusion it's best if no one uses Blue Marvel in a versus battle. It always ends badly, or trolled horribly. Let's face it Marvel doesn't have alot of feats, and the ones he does have get thrown under the bus or taken out of context. If it wasn't for the Doors I don't see Apollo beating him, but hey he has them. I'd like to think I'm objective when I look into the battles, and I like BM (lol) better, but if he (Apollo) has a cheap shot to use against someone (possibly) superior, why not use it right?

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Still Marvel ftw

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Blue marvel always.

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Interesting

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Blue Marvel as he is faster than a second so he could escape the sun and get Apollo away from it like if he destroyed the moon at night Apollo would be powerless and get the shit kicked out of him.Do you know how powerful BM (lol?)is imagine what it would be like to know exactly what your capable of?

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Blue Marvel still wins.

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Doors.

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Mah gawd

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The lack of knowledge of simple physics on the first page alone almost made me throw up in my mouth lol

Apollo wins this

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Blue Marvel still wins.

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blue marvel!

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Blue Marvel :

He can shoot large anti-photons blast to Apollo, depowering and killing him :

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Just read the 3 first panels in the second scan.

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@saren said:

@kingant27 said:

I never said Moonstone is more powerful than the sun, due to this instance however she can deflect that type of energy, just because she can redirect it; it doesn't mean we have to use another ABC logic, to assume that King Hyperion's Atomic vision is much worse etc, and not to mention he weakening like how Superman does with kryptonite.

Not to mention The thunderbolts were injected with nanobots including King Hyperion and when King Hyperion turned on them they activated his nano bots a.k.a the H-Button- which filled his body with his only weakness Aragonite; so he was weakened however he was still capable of unleashing the energy of the sun through his eyes.

Then explain to me how she can block an attack that is allegedly literally as powerful as the Sun. Hyperion says he's unleashing the power of the Sun. You wish to take that statement literally, so address how Moonstone is blocking the power of the Sun with her own blasts. Explain how that makes sense.

Juggernaut was weakened however does that mean his helmet is also weakened?

Yes? His armor is a magical construct created by Cyttorak's power. It is only as strong as Cyttorak allows it to be.

First of let me put to you at a different perspective:

We have seen 712 Hyperion, match Gladiator's heat vision, which is most likely better than Superman, as it states to be hotter than stars, which as our star is average at best, being hotter than stars imply operating at a much higher temperature; and if you want me to show you the temperatures of the hottest stars, and how they dwarf our sun, I will be happy to provide scans.

This is where it comes in useful:

The 712 Hyperion we se fighting Gladiator, also fought King Hyperion, and both Gladiator and 712 Hyperion matched heat vision, with neither showing to be superior:

Now we see King Hyperion easily matching 712 Hyperion's atomic vision, while smiling as well, and bearing in mind unlike in the 712 Hyperion vs Gladiator, where they fired it at the same time; 712 Hyperion fired it first, and he still easily countered it, and then overpowers his atomic vision in the next scan, which puts his vision above there's.

Do I really need to explain why ABC logic is rubbish? You know it as well as I do, and you don't get to pick and choose when you believe in ABC logic and when you don't.

Well actually if Blue Marvel has dealt with his Atomic vision, which not only can be the temperature of normal heat vision; but withstand, without a scratch, he definitely survive the sun's temperature.

This is just getting ridiculous now. When did it become acceptable for people to use ABC showings to prove variables about characters instead of actual showings? And why do you people think the Sun is just about temperature? Are you going to argue now that withstanding heat vision is also as good as withstanding the force and pressure exerted by the Sun?

Is it not possible for you guys to just take a step back and see how absurd these things you're saying are?

Blue Marvel wins in a good fight.

Apollo throws him into the Sun and he dies instantly. Ordinarily I'd just side with characters for simple majorities but the debating for Blue Marvel in this thread has been so terrible he should lose every time just for that.

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@sodamyat: Apollo has nor the physicals, nor the skills, nor the powers to handle Blue Marvel.

The only way that Apollo can use a door is to leave the battlefield :

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@realitywarper: Well put, and lol at the way he is bringing back this.

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Blue Marvel

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@realitywarper: Well put, and lol at the way he is bringing back this.

So true ^^

There is not even one argument to side for Apollo.

And plenty of "out-of-context scans" that we debunked. :o

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actually I think @saren was debating this better by far.

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@sodamyat: Actually no arguments were provided to show that Apollo has the capability to best Blue Marvel.

The best feat showed is Apollo loosing to Captain Atom...

Not really convincing.

But that's just my opinion. ;)

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@sodamyat: Actually no arguments were provided to show that Apollo has the capability to best Blue Marvel.

The best feat showed is Apollo loosing to Captain Atom...

Not really convincing.

But that's just my opinion. ;)

I disagree.

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@sodamyat said:

I disagree.

You have the right to disagree.

If you want to convince me that there is other possibles issues to that fight you should provide valuable arguments that have been avoided all the thread.

I'm curious to see if it exist at least one scan of Apollo beating other things than fodder.

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@sodamyat said:

I disagree.

You have the right to disagree.

If you want to convince me that there is other possibles issues to that fight you should provide valuable arguments that have been avoided all the thread.

I'm curious to see if it exist at least one scan of Apollo beating other things than fodder.

Obviously.

I dont intend to convince you.

Me too.

Ask Saren. His arguments were great.

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@sodamyat said:

Obviously.

I dont intend to convince you.

Me too.

Ask Saren. His arguments were great.

Actually they weren't.

Kingant27 and I tried to debate with him and he consistently avoided the question "How is Apollo supposed to beat Blue Marvel in the first place ?", pretended that Apollo just needed to use a door (as he can't use them like Midnighter...) and throw him into the Sun (which will probably have no effect as Blue Marvel tanked an Hydrogen-bomb at ground zero and the nuclear reactions inside the Sun produce far less energy at each point of the Sun and the radiation are negibible as the Sun produces a few gamma radiations at his own scale), he used the scan about the fight between Apollo and Captain Atom (Armaggeddon arc) where Captain Atom let Apollo lift him and transport him slowly through a door so he can accelerate the absorption of the solar energy by Apollo and overload him so he lost... So he showed this scan out of context and I provided the two other scans that showed Apollo losing to him...

I see absolutely no reason for Blue Marvel to loose against Apollo.

The only way for BM to loose this is to let Apollo hit him and never strike back : that means suiciding to Apollo and that's unlikely to happen.

Moreover BM is a better fighter and far smarter than Apollo...

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@sodamyat said:

@realitywarper: i agree with his posts.

Is that because you prefer Apollo as a character ?

not at all. In fact I know close to nothing about him. i know hes gay and he's with midnighter. I know he absorbs sunlight...thats it. Sarens points make sense to me. And In my eyes he successfully debunked and shot down most arguments. Although you guys did raise 2 or 3 good points. Overall I side with him. Dont be offended though.

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@sodamyat said:

@realitywarper said:

@sodamyat said:

@realitywarper: i agree with his posts.

Is that because you prefer Apollo as a character ?

not at all. In fact I know close to nothing about him. i know hes gay and he's with midnighter. I know he absorbs sunlight...thats it. Sarens points make sense to me. And In my eyes he successfully debunked and shot down most arguments. Although you guys did raise 2 or 3 good points. Overall I side with him. Dont be offended though.

I'm not.
You have the right to think this way.

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@realitywarper: It doesn't matter what a few Dc huggers think, because we did debunk it, in that one scenario set out for Apollo to stand a chance etc; and Blue Marvel still wins.

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@realitywarper: It doesn't matter what a few Dc huggers think, because we did debunk it, in that one scenario set out for Apollo to stand a chance etc; and Blue Marvel still wins.

Absolutely

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#248  Edited By SodamYat

@realitywarper: It doesn't matter what a few Dc huggers think, because we did debunk it, in that one scenario set out for Apollo to stand a chance etc; and Blue Marvel still wins.

you want to throw insults and accusations just because i dont agree with you? Seriously?

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@sodamyat: I also think Saren was a better debater and had the best reasons. RW could debate with him, but I think Saren always had the best arguments and had the upper hand along the whole debate.

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@jas0 said:

@sodamyat: I also think Saren was a better debater and had the best reasons. RW could debate with him, but I think Saren always had the best arguments and had the upper hand along the whole debate.

agreed.