#1 Posted by XiiX (8270 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by New_World_Order (13214 posts) - - Show Bio

Mirror Master.

#3 Edited by dondave (37459 posts) - - Show Bio

Mirror Master

#4 Posted by lordraiden (7139 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse turns him into one of his horseman.....if he finds him worthy!

#5 Posted by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

McCulloch should be able to BFR him. Otherwise he couldn't do much to Apoc's regen, superior stats, and psychic powers.

Well, I guess he could turn him into glass...

#6 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Mirror Master would win. Although I'd like to know if Apoc can teleport out

#7 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3475 posts) - - Show Bio

So many shiny surfaces on Apocalypse's armor....

#8 Edited by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: how in the hell do you figure that.

#9 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Where MM telports his enemies?

#10 Posted by dondave (37459 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

apocalypse can teleport out and thats assuming the aopcalypse don't shut down his mind or blow him up first.

#12 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

apocalypse can teleport out and thats assuming the aopcalypse don't shut down his mind or blow him up first.

#13 Posted by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

apocalypse can teleport out and thats assuming the aopcalypse don't shut down his mind or blow him up first.

Has Apocalypse ever shown cross dimensional teleportation?

#14 Posted by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: he has teleported his body into the astral plain and back.

#15 Edited by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: he has teleported his body into the astral plain and back.

Proof? Astral Projection is usually completely separate from the physical body.

#16 Edited by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse should win.

#17 Posted by sandiego008 (3283 posts) - - Show Bio

Apoc gots this. There is a reason he isn't used often in battle forums.

#18 Posted by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

Apoc gots this. There is a reason he isn't used often in battle forums.

That is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

#19 Posted by Regal_Rumble_Man (874 posts) - - Show Bio

Apoc becomes a glass shard

#20 Posted by whacknasty (5617 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008: @czarny_samael666: Does Apocalypse have augmented reaction speeds/reflexes to be able to shut down Mirror Master's mind before he can act?

#21 Edited by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008: @czarny_samael666: Does Apocalypse have augmented reaction speeds/reflexes to be able to shut down Mirror Master's mind before he can act?

I pretty damn sure he's reacted to Quicksilver before.

Then again, McCulloch has gotten the drop on Wally, so...

#22 Edited by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

Apoc gots this. There is a reason he isn't used often in battle forums.

Because he's a terrible character?

I don't get it.

#23 Posted by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

lets see a demi god with litmetless strength fast enough to break the speed of sound vs a normal human who has one way to even stop apocalypse from killing him instantly is to try to pull him into a mirror which in the unlikly case of it working would only prevent him from being killed for a few minutes at best.

whats next darkseid vs trapster.

#24 Edited by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan said:

lets see a demi god with litmetless strength fast enough to break the speed of sound vs a normal human who has one way to even stop apocalypse from killing him instantly is to try to pull him into a mirror which in the unlikly case of it working would only prevent him from being killed for a few minutes at best.

whats next darkseid vs trapster.

I don't understand why you think apocalypse can kill a guy who's travelling in the mirror verse.

McCulloch has reaction time far above speed of sound level attacks during all his encounters with Wally.

#25 Posted by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: because apocalypse can still reach him with telepathy they are in the same city he dies instantly he would have to start out in the mirror verse to be safe which he doesn't.

or apocalypse could just teleport to where he is step on him.

#26 Edited by whacknasty (5617 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: That's what I was thinking, I don't know if Apocalypse will get the first strike in at all.

And if McCulloch does feel the need to hit and run or be more defensive, they are fighting in an abandoned city. I'd imagine all of the reflective materials there would make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for Apoc to really hone in and land a clean hit. : /

#27 Edited by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: because apocalypse can still reach him with telepathy they are in the same city he dies instantly he would have to start out in the mirror verse to be safe which he doesn't.

or apocalypse could just teleport to where he is step on him.

What makes you think his telepathy can reach a completely separate, pocket universe that he has no experience affecting? What makes you think he can teleport to McCulloch when he has no idea where he is? You're assuming a lot of things just because you, rightly, see Apocalypse as more powerful. The problem is with how their powers interact and their location -- McCulloch could exist in every mirror and every window in the abandoned city simultaneously. He could hit Apocalypse from all angles, transmuting him, BFRing him, killing his reflection, etc etc, and thus far you've failed to provide proof that Apocalypse can cross dimensionally use his telepathy or his teleportation powers.

#28 Edited by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5058 posts) - - Show Bio

En Sabah Nur ftw

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#29 Posted by DedrabbiT (588 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on who gets in the first attack.

#30 Posted by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: i know this is old but i also know you still come here alot and i want to respond bfr is an option and but turning Apocalypse to glass isn't if he did this Apocalypse would just turn himself back and regenerate.

he could also turn every reflective surface to stone which i will admit is unlikely but he has the power to do so or turn mirror master to stone.

your also assuming that mirror doesn't start with one of his lessor mirror tricks first which granted i will say mirror master could probably tell there is no room to play here just by looking at him hell apocalypse could TK his mirror weapons and destroy them or effect them with his tecnopathy

both these guys can win but Apocalypse would win the majority.

mirror master has one chance mirror verse and hope he doesn't get out.

#31 Edited by highaccuser (6790 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: Can apocolypse resist transmution with his mind intact.

Sure he could turn it all into stone, but only if he doesn't mind doing so to his own eyes and armor.

Mirror Master has dropped into mirror world in front of Flash. He's not getting disarmed.

#32 Edited by Kingant27 (5030 posts) - - Show Bio

Most Dc fans would bring up telepathy, but not in this thread, Apocalypse could TP him easily; and yes he did easily react to Quicksilver, however that's not comparable to the Flash.

He can't hurt, or kill Apocalyse, and even if he did transport him into his mirror dimension, Apocalypse could teleport out.

There is no way Mirror Master has a chance; Apocalypse is extremely underatted and somewhat hated by a lot of users on Comic Vine.

I might make CAV with him, just for his haters.

#33 Edited by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: he could turn himself intangible there no more reflection and i have never seen him do this but realistically he could turn in to a gas or liquid state but even if he didn't he could darken his armor and what is mirror master going to do to his eyes temp blind him is is an insane telepathy with the ability to heal damn near instantly the slight eye damage would accomplish nothing.

#34 Posted by highaccuser (6790 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan:

he could turn himself intangible there no more reflection

Intangible people are visible, so light clearly hits them.

and i have never seen him do this but realistically he could turn in to a gas or liquid state but even if he didn't he could darken his armor

You're making baseless assumptions. He's never done anything like that.

and what is mirror master going to do to his eyes temp blind him is is an insane telepathy with the ability to heal damn near instantly the slight eye damage would accomplish nothing.

It's not physical eye damage, it just blocks the light from what I can see.

Also, Even can kill him through his defensless reflection.

#35 Edited by DemonKnights (5394 posts) - - Show Bio

Mm

Loses

#36 Posted by TBEMrMcCoy (564 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse mind rapes him.

#37 Posted by dondave (37459 posts) - - Show Bio

Evan sends him into a pocket dimension and destroys it

#38 Posted by proto3296 (1266 posts) - - Show Bio

@regal_rumble_man: impossible. Apocalypse has 100% control over his body on a molecular level. No one can morph his body other than himself. In actuality he could morph his body out of his "shiny" suit. And make it for lack of better words unshiny lol. But seriously no one is turning him into glass.

#39 Posted by Jacthripper (2788 posts) - - Show Bio

Apoc

#40 Posted by Dredeuced (5547 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: i know this is old but i also know you still come here alot and i want to respond bfr is an option and but turning Apocalypse to glass isn't if he did this Apocalypse would just turn himself back and regenerate.

he could also turn every reflective surface to stone which i will admit is unlikely but he has the power to do so or turn mirror master to stone.

your also assuming that mirror doesn't start with one of his lessor mirror tricks first which granted i will say mirror master could probably tell there is no room to play here just by looking at him hell apocalypse could TK his mirror weapons and destroy them or effect them with his tecnopathy

both these guys can win but Apocalypse would win the majority.

mirror master has one chance mirror verse and hope he doesn't get out.

If you agree that BFR is an option then I don't think there's much to discuss. McCulloch's first move in nearly every fight is the mirror verse BFR. Usually into stuff like literal millions of clones attack at once, including clones of Apocalypse himself. Mirror Master's gone before Apocalypse uses his powers and from there Apocalypse is fighting a losing battle.

Like I said, I'll rescind this and admit I'm wrong if someone can show me Apocalypse using cross dimensional teleportation. I fully admit to not knowing enough about Apocalypse to be 100% conclusive, I just made the argument for McCulloch. But I asked for the feat a year ago and no one came up with it then, either.

#41 Posted by comic_book_fan (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@dredeuced: yeah the only reason i gave bfr as an option is because i know a great deal about Apocalypse and the closest thing to cross dimensional teleportation was when he cable and sue went to free frankly from onslaught that one seemed different then regular telepathy entry but maybe i am remembering it wrong.