Apocalypse vs. Magneto(616)
It has stated by sources that apocalypse can give himeself any superhuman power,magnatism is a power,so apoc could just give himeself this or any other power,also in the further adventures of cyclopes and pheonix in the last issue apoc is trying to kill the king and queen of england and when they call for the guards apoc makes them explode by snapping his fingers,he could do the same to magneto,also it has been stated that apoc has psionic powers so he could attack mags mentally as well,and in earlier comics mags was beaten by mental powers.
Magneto has changed not only significantly, but several times in the last 38 years. A feat from 1972 is really only relevant if we're specifying something like a classic Magneto. I mean, in his early appearances he couldn't even fly.
Magnetic fields have been used in real life to levitate things like plastic figurines, spiders, and tiny frogs. It takes enormous amounts of power, but a sufficiently powerful magnetic field can be effective even on objects that are normally electrically neutral. If you think about it, all normal matter contains electrons and protons, which are charged particles, so a fine enough control, or enough pure raw power, would be able to affect matter on an atomic level.
Control over the electromagnetic force in general should also allow for the manipulation of electricity and light waves (heat, ultraviolet, x-ray, radiation, visible, radio-waves, etc). Magneto should actually be capable of quite a lot; the electromagnetic force is probably the most versatile and useful of the 4.
I can't remember the name of the story but wolverine stabs magneto at the end of it,also in ultimate x-men prof x beats mags,as far as apoc goes in messiah war apoc is said to have god-like powers,god-like power is greater than magnatism,also in AoA apoc was about to blast mags when nate grey showed up and interferred(just like in pro wrestling) outside interferance
I believe it was explicitly stated a few times in AoA, and at least once by Apocalypse himself, that Magneto permanently lost half his power (due to strain, apparently) when he pulled Apocalypse's Celestial spaceship out of the sky. So AoA Mags being weaker than normal 616 Mags isn't idle speculation or anything, it is confirmed within the AoA story itself, and is a well known fact to both Magneto and Apocalypse.
Another fairly obvious explanation is that in the AoA, Fabian Cortez would have never screwed around with Magnus's powers and caused him to discorporate into the magnetosphere (or whatever the hell supposedly happened to him), and so he would not have received the large power boost that made him so formidable during the Fatal Attractions arc.
No it was mags whering a mask and pretending to be another mutant called xorn to go undercover and fool the x-men,but he later reveiled his identity and attacked them with a new brotherhood of mutants, and the drug kick increases your powers,but cyclopes still beat him down,and what does PIS stand for?
It was a story that showed magneto for the washed up,hypocrit he is.
I didn't know storm was resistant,writers started makeing up telipath resistance as soon as they relise how powerful telipathy was,mental powers like telepathy and telakinisis will always be more powerful and useful than physical abilities to shoot fire or be really strong or control magnatism
" @Edamame: I'm talking about in reality,not comics,electro magnetic powers can't do all that,the x-men movies were more realistic about powers and it showed mags limitations. "Wrong...Electro-magnetic powers which Magneto possesses can do all that....Movies didn't show his powers in the right manner.He could only control metal which is wrong. He would be able to do all this and have ways for many ways to kill a person or just atomize him. And movies are non canon.
And on a side note aren't you the person who made a thread in which you said Magneto is a lame character and you hate him?If you are i don't think you are actually credible to debate here showing your obvious bias against him.
" @Edamame: I'm talking about in reality,not comics,electro magnetic powers can't do all that,the x-men movies were more realistic about powers and it showed mags limitations. "Didn't you make this same argument already on this thread a couple of days ago? We already responded, and you're wrong. Electromagnetism is one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature, and from a human standpoint arguably the most useful and versatile. It goes far beyond the ability to just move metallic objects around (like I mentioned before, even in real life we can make magnetic fields that can levitate spiders, frogs, and garden gnomes).
" @bigalow said:agreed, we use electromagnetism to hold anti-matter in place and if powerful enough a magnetic force can even lift water. According to Einstein's Unified field theory all the forces are inter-related and co-exist as one, meaning magneto should theoretically have control over all 4 forces of the universe. and in real life science that is so, by controlling electromagnetism one can control the energy between atoms and electrons (strong nuclear force) as well as electrons themselves. It is responsible for all forces involved in interactions between atoms including the pushing or pulling ordinary objects which come from intermolecular forces between each molecule in our bodies and in those objects. it also includes ALL forces of chemical phenomena which arise from interactions between electrons." @Edamame: I'm talking about in reality,not comics,electro magnetic powers can't do all that,the x-men movies were more realistic about powers and it showed mags limitations. "Didn't you make this same argument already on this thread a couple of days ago? We already responded, and you're wrong. Electromagnetism is one of the 4 fundamental forces of nature, and from a human standpoint arguably the most useful and versatile. It goes far beyond the ability to just move metallic objects around (like I mentioned before, even in real life we can make magnetic fields that can levitate spiders, frogs, and garden gnomes). "
" @difficlus: How would you explain Magneto being able to control Proteus' pure psionic energy form? In the comics (Necrosha), Magneto stated that "it" was close enough to the EM spectrum for him to manipulate, but can more be said about this? It is rather vague. Thanks. "well psionic energy is extremely vague, its supposedly mental energy or something like that. i'm guessing since the brain is an electric object he can manupilate brain waves. but as i said i don't really know what psionic energy is, its based on fiction.
" @Tesseract: No,i don't hate him,i don't hate fictional charecters, but it's true mags is a washed up,overexposed charecter that needs to go somewhere. "That is your opinion on the matter, i personally believe that Magneto is a cool and a character with depth which is shown in Magneto's testament, and that he was once declared one of the best villains in comic books. And if Apocalypse could get any power he would be one of the most powerful beings in MU which he is not.
It has been stated that apoc can give himself any power,even on marvel's own website on their charecter bios their are power charts and on them apoc comes out more powerful than magneto,apoc is a much scarier villian than mags and has alot more story to tell than the old,washed up mags.
" It says it on websites about comic charecters when explaining apocs powers "Websites can be wrong sometimes. I don't recall ever seeing Apocalypse spontaneously give himself new powers. The closest I can think of was "The 12" arc, but that wasn't spontaneous either, but the culmination of a ridiculously long and convoluted master plan to become god, and required ages of prep and tons of machinery, as well as actually capturing the people who's powers he wanted, which only worked because they were all conveniently acting like idiots at the time.
If he could just spontaneously give himself all their powers anyway, then what was the point of that whole arc in the first place?
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