AoA Sabretooth / AoA Nightcrawler VS Daredevil / Gambit

LOCATION

RULES

 
-Begin 1 mile apart. 
-Gambit/Daredevil know who they are facing, NC/Sabretooth do not. 
-Gambit is pre-death powers, Daredevil is pre-shadowland. 
-Morals apply. 
-No teledismemberment / juggling for Kurt. 
-Equipment provided next to names. 
-Standard elimination rules.

AoA SABRETOOTH (unarmed)

VERSUS

DAREDEVIL (Twin adamantium batons)

GAMBIT (Adamantium bo-staff, 3 decks of cards)

AoA?

"Damn, I thought more people read AoA. "

"@k4tzm4n said:

"Damn, I thought more people read AoA. "

It's been years..  I'd say you can make a strong case for either team. The AoA team might not have the skills & training but I think they make up for it in strength (due to Creed) and being from the AoA probably more willing to kill. But DD & Gambit should be somewhat more skilled. I need breakfast before I can make a case. LOL "

AoA Sabretooth was a Beast and I would say neither Gambit nor Daredevil are more skilled then Creed. Sabretooth fought Holocaust and even though he lost he brought it......Really see no reason why he wouldn't be trouble alone.

I only read the AoA Alpha (foil cover). I have no case yet, I wanted to know 

• AoA NC abilities, I recon teleportation + swords?
  
• Creed's abilities? I only saw him holding Wild Child. Strength + 616 Creed's viciousness without the insanity?

" @MrRagePants: Under their pictures in the OP I also posted their official handbook entries for more information ;) "

   
LOL. 
 
Here you go. 

Sabretooth of AoA was all the things that his 616 counterpart was with the exception that he was a very competent fighter and used his brain.  
 
He is the one who taught Blink how to fight after all. Even though he does not have adamantium, he is still an amazing combatant.  
 
AoA Nightcrawler had no qualms being excessively brutal with his powers but he is limited here in that he cannot dismember.

AoA team has got this easy. No one in team 2 can match AoA Creed in a fight

" Sabretooth of AoA was all the things that his 616 counterpart was with the exception that he was a very competent fighter and used his brain.   He is the one who taught Blink how to fight after all. Even though he does not have adamantium, he is still an amazing combatant.   AoA Nightcrawler had no qualms being excessively brutal with his powers but he is limited here in that he cannot dismember. "

Daredevil will be able to defeat Nightcrawler if he can separate him from Creed. He has the reflexes and senses to anticipate and successfully counter Nightcrawler's teleporting advantage. All Gambit has to do until that time is keep Creed distracted. Given Gambit's agility, I am confident that he can avoid Creed's attacks for a time. 
 
Creed is a quick study however and it will not take him long to back Gambit in a corner. By that time, I believe Daredevil will have already placed Nightcrawler unconscious with some rather impressive H2H and baton use (likely ricocheting them to hit Nightcrawler in anticipation of Nightcrawler's next teleport). 
 
Once it is a two on one, Creed will probably be overwhelmed by the two top agility users in the 616 universe. After all, they do not have to kill Creed. He does not have an unbreakable skull so well placed kinetically charged cards or twin adamantium batons may render him incapacitated temporarily. If that fails, Gambit can still take one for the team and charge up Creed's head while taking a potentially lethal strike. 

" @erik:  Creed is faster and more agile then Both of them but not by much in Daredevils case while he would somersault circles around Gambit "

What about Daredevil's radar???  Is he accustomed in fighting in this kind of terrain??? Wil his balance and agility be a liitle bit off, because of unfamiliar ground? Remember that he is quite accustomed to fighting in the city with a completely different environment.
One mile apart, can give Daredevi and Gambit a little bit of advantage for setting some traps, especially knowing who they are facing, but not much, taking into account Sabertooth's sense of smell and tracking ability, he will quickly realize he is facing Gambit(given they were from different timelines, but the odor remains the same) and prepare for such. With Sabertooth's sense of smell and his animal instincts in a jungle environment, giving directions and positions to Nightcrawler and his teleportation(over 2 miles) abilities, this could turn ugly really fast for Gambit and Daredevil.

" @erik: There was an issue where he noticed a disturbance (in the force) briefly before Kurt ported in. "

" @Fantasma Ghost:  When has a different environment ever hindered Daredevil? I cannot recall a single time.  Sabretooth cannot just smell anything. He still needs to be downwind and with a jungle that thick, that is a big chance you are taking by relying on that as the foundation of your argument.   "

" @erik:

 
He is not more Agile then Steve Rogers and T'Challa who are Peak Humans and Sabretooths agility is Superhuman. Not Olympic, not Super Olympic (as they describe DD's), not peak, it is Superhuman Agility. DD is good enough toppled on with his radar senses to dodge and evade Creed but in no way is he Superior or could he do it for long. Gambit's power does make him have Enhanced Agility but still not superior to Creeds.   "

" @erik said:

" @Fantasma Ghost:  When has a different environment ever hindered Daredevil? I cannot recall a single time.  Sabretooth cannot just smell anything. He still needs to be downwind and with a jungle that thick, that is a big chance you are taking by relying on that as the foundation of your argument.   "

Well its only logical, since he practically has fougth in a city environment all his life, the images coming into his brain will all be new, wildlife, all the different trees, terrain, hills etc. Of course it will not be the same, I'm not saying he can handle it but obviously he wil not feel at home.  What do you mean Sabertooth cannot smell everything??? That is one of his most important powers, and his primary weapon or instinct when tracking prey, of course he knows every single trick in the book to smell you out, he wasn't Apocalypse's WARHOUND for nothing. "

Gambit solos.

 I don't think you are a logical person, if you don't understand my point. Of course he has fought outside Hell's Kitchen that doesn't mean he isn't best suited for a city environment, when you have been living in the same environment for years, you accustom yourself to it, its only logical, when faced with a new environment you have to adapt I'm not saying that he will not perform, just not to the same level its just not the same jumping from rooftops and flat surfaces, than jumping from trees and through thick bush, if you can't get that, that is your problem.
Of course Sabertooth, will feel most at home at this environment his  wild or feral animal instincts and senses, along with his claws are best suited for that, if you don't see that again your problem.

"  I don't think you are a logical person, if you don't understand my point. Of course he has fought outside Hell's Kitchen that doesn't mean he isn't best suited for a city environment, when you have been living in the same environment for years, you accustom yourself to it, its only logical, when faced with a new environment you have to adapt I'm not saying that he will not perform, just not to the same level its just not the same jumping from rooftops and flat surfaces, than jumping from trees and through thick bush, if you can't get that, that is your problem. Of course Sabertooth, will feel most at home at this environment his  wild or feral animal instincts and senses, along with his claws are best suited for that, if you don't see that again your problem. "

" @erik:    I'll get some scans together because if we go by Bios then Daredevil is not super Agile but "Super Olympic." Which is Peak Human by Marvel Standards. "

" @Fantasma Ghost said:

"  I don't think you are a logical person, if you don't understand my point. Of course he has fought outside Hell's Kitchen that doesn't mean he isn't best suited for a city environment, when you have been living in the same environment for years, you accustom yourself to it, its only logical, when faced with a new environment you have to adapt I'm not saying that he will not perform, just not to the same level its just not the same jumping from rooftops and flat surfaces, than jumping from trees and through thick bush, if you can't get that, that is your problem. Of course Sabertooth, will feel most at home at this environment his  wild or feral animal instincts and senses, along with his claws are best suited for that, if you don't see that again your problem. "

This entire post is illogical. 
 

" @Fantasma Ghost said:

"  I don't think you are a logical person, if you don't understand my point. Of course he has fought outside Hell's Kitchen that doesn't mean he isn't best suited for a city environment, when you have been living in the same environment for years, you accustom yourself to it, its only logical, when faced with a new environment you have to adapt I'm not saying that he will not perform, just not to the same level its just not the same jumping from rooftops and flat surfaces, than jumping from trees and through thick bush, if you can't get that, that is your problem. Of course Sabertooth, will feel most at home at this environment his  wild or feral animal instincts and senses, along with his claws are best suited for that, if you don't see that again your problem. "

This entire post is illogical. 

" @erik:    I'll get some scans together because if we go by Bios then Daredevil is not super Agile but "Super Olympic." Which is Peak Human by Marvel Standards. "

"Gambit solos. "

" @Vance Astro said:

"Gambit solos. "

*spits drink* "

" Gambit solos. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" Gambit solos. "

Lets hear the explanation. "

" @Fantasma Ghost said:

" @Vance Astro said:

" Gambit solos. "

Lets hear the explanation. "

I would give one if I was serious. "

" @Vance Astro said:

" @Fantasma Ghost said:

" @Vance Astro said:

" Gambit solos. "

Lets hear the explanation. "

I would give one if I was serious. "

You should've directed him to the link "Gambit VS Galactus" "

" Daredevil will be able to defeat Nightcrawler if he can separate him from Creed. He has the reflexes and senses to anticipate and successfully counter Nightcrawler's teleporting advantage. All Gambit has to do until that time is keep Creed distracted. Given Gambit's agility, I am confident that he can avoid Creed's attacks for a time.    

 Creed is a quick study however and it will not take him long to back Gambit in a corner. By that time, I believe Daredevil will have already placed Nightcrawler unconscious with some rather impressive H2H and baton use (likely ricocheting them to hit Nightcrawler in anticipation of Nightcrawler's next teleport).    

 Once it is a two on one, Creed will probably be overwhelmed by the two top agility users in the 616 universe. After all, they do not have to kill Creed. He does not have an unbreakable skull so well placed kinetically charged cards or twin adamantium batons may render him incapacitated temporarily. If that fails, Gambit can still take one for the team and charge up Creed's head while taking a potentially lethal strike.  "

" @erik said:

" Daredevil will be able to defeat Nightcrawler if he can separate him from Creed. He has the reflexes and senses to anticipate and successfully counter Nightcrawler's teleporting advantage. All Gambit has to do until that time is keep Creed distracted. Given Gambit's agility, I am confident that he can avoid Creed's attacks for a time.    

 Creed is a quick study however and it will not take him long to back Gambit in a corner. By that time, I believe Daredevil will have already placed Nightcrawler unconscious with some rather impressive H2H and baton use (likely ricocheting them to hit Nightcrawler in anticipation of Nightcrawler's next teleport).    

 Once it is a two on one, Creed will probably be overwhelmed by the two top agility users in the 616 universe. After all, they do not have to kill Creed. He does not have an unbreakable skull so well placed kinetically charged cards or twin adamantium batons may render him incapacitated temporarily. If that fails, Gambit can still take one for the team and charge up Creed's head while taking a potentially lethal strike.  "

I believe my argument still stands.  "

But what's your take on an initial fight between DD VS Creed and Remy VS NC? I see DD winning with a chance of Gambit losing. "

"Damn, I thought more people read AoA. "