Annihilators vs. Illuminati and "friends"

• Annihilators have been brainwashed by an evil cosmic entity (take your pick) into wiping out the universe's inhabitants. Nova acknowledge's the threat and speeds off to warn earth that they are on a collision with the Annihilators. The Illuminati intercepts him and they decide to neutralize the threat themselves in a top secret mission before they make it to earth. They enlists the help of Norman Osborn and the Cabal, forcing them to help or else.
• Nova is helping the Earth in this fight and he's at full power.
• Fight takes place on a habitable planet similar to earth. The few primitive inhabitants have been wiped out. Earth's forces are teleported there to nip things in the bud.
• No speed blitz. No BFR. Earth has minimum prep.
• Annihilators specs: FC Gladiator. Quasar w/ quantum bands. Ronan is fully equipped. Beta Ray Bill and Silver Surfer are at full levels. (Due to the magic in the fight)    
• Illuminati specs: All are at peak levels. Iron Man has Thorbuster armor equipped.  
• Cabal specs: Loki is at normal levels. Taskmaster is fully equipped. Norman is Iron Patriot. Emma Frost and Hood are at peak levels. Doom is at peak levels and is wearing the Destroyer Armor.
• Fight 1: Morals on (I know sounds ridiculous given the premise but just roll with me on this one.)
• Fight 2: No Morals
• So, who'd win? Is this spite or does Earth have a puncher's chance?

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

Doom and Reed with prep? Eh still struggling to see this team not destroy the planet in moments regardless, but Doom and Reed can solve anything given enough prep or a cosmic entity to save the day.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

How do they counter the energy and matter manipulation of SS and Quasar?

@Wise Son said:

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

How do they counter the energy and matter manipulation of SS and Quasar?

Surfer is very susceptible to magicks. Coupled by an assault on a mental level, he's going to feel distress.

thorbuster armor ftw

@Dark Cloud™ said:

@Wise Son said:

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

How do they counter the energy and matter manipulation of SS and Quasar?

Surfer is very susceptible to magicks. Coupled by an assault on a mental level, he's going to feel distress.

How susceptible is he now with his power upgrade? Haven't seen too many scans of this. 

@isaac_clarke said:

Doom and Reed with prep? Eh still struggling to see this team not destroy the planet in moments regardless, but Doom and Reed can solve anything given enough prep or a cosmic entity to save the day.

I'm going to edit that to minimum prep. Mainly assessing the situation, getting some plans formed, etc. Anything more then that and I can see Reed bringing in the Ultimate Nullifier .

Surfer is very susceptible to magicks. Coupled by an assault on a mental level, he's going to feel distress.

@odinforce said:

thorbuster armor ftw

How?

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Surfer is very susceptible to magicks. Coupled by an assault on a mental level, he's going to feel distress.

Since when? The guy regularly prevented the Mephisto from stealing his soul, having his life energies sucked out like a spoungem broken free of Stranges spells, etc.

"During Annihilators, Doctor Dredd's magicks shredded his hand easily.

Since he had his hand easily shredded by Doctor Dredd using Skrull/Dire Wraiths magicks.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

"During Annihilators, Doctor Dredd's magicks shredded his hand easily.

Dredd's space cutting wasn't magic, Ronan via matter manipulation completely depowered him and smashed his head in. The Surfer also ouside seeing a few drips still had a hand unlike anything else Dredd's little cut shield chopped through, he tanked it better than space itself did.

@Wise Son said:

@Dark Cloud™ said:

@Wise Son said:

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

How do they counter the energy and matter manipulation of SS and Quasar?

Surfer is very susceptible to magicks. Coupled by an assault on a mental level, he's going to feel distress.

How susceptible is he now with his power upgrade? Haven't seen too many scans of this. 

During Annihilators, Doctor Dredd's magicks shredded his hand easily.

@Wise Son said:

@isaac_clarke said:

Doom and Reed with prep? Eh still struggling to see this team not destroy the planet in moments regardless, but Doom and Reed can solve anything given enough prep or a cosmic entity to save the day.

I'm going to edit that to minimum prep. Mainly assessing the situation, getting some plans formed, etc. Anything more then that and I can see Reed bringing in the Ultimate Nullifier .

Reed shouldn't be fast enough to actually use it before getting pummeled by anyone on this team.
@Dark Cloud™ said:

Surfer is very susceptible to magicks. Coupled by an assault on a mental level, he's going to feel distress.

Since when? The guy regularly prevented the Mephisto from stealing his soul, having his life energies sucked out like a spoungem broken free of Stranges spells, etc.

@Wise Son said:

@odinforce said:

thorbuster armor ftw

How?

im not saying that it can solo, but it did take on a skyfather

@Wise Son: No silver surfer is not on a sky-father level, just a herald level. Surfer was already beaten by Odin (i think he was one-shotted too) and Odin took his blasts along with Thanos' like nothing.

"No, his abilities are magical. It's a magical shield that is a cosmic razor blade. Throughout the short series, it spoke of him having learned magicks from the original Dredd.

@odinforce said:

@Wise Son: No silver surfer is not on a sky-father level, just a herald level. Surfer was already beaten by Odin (i think he was one-shotted too) and Odin took his blasts along with Thanos' like nothing.

I'm not up to snuff on Thor and his affiliates so I sometimes underestimate them. Was Tony wearing the Thorbuster armor? If so that seems like PIS to me. Got any scans?

 
Edit: 

Sorry, but that picture doesn't prove your statement. Doctore Dredd had learned magicks from the original Dredd, as I stated before, and that shield is part of his magicks.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

"No, his abilities are magical. It's a magical shield that is a cosmic razor blade. Throughout the short series, it spoke of him having learned magicks from the original Dredd.

Throughout? You mean the last book right? Because it wasn't till the one prior that we even find out he wasn't Dredd but a skrull borrowing his face. Muchless do I remember it saying his ability to cut space and time being related to magic.   Regardless this doesn't make the Surfer weak to or susceptible to magic, mainly because he tanked it just fine.  The guy has been chopped to pieces and pulled himself together by the next page, what Dredd did to him was a minor ouch to remove the Surfer for a moment as Dredd owned the rest of the Annihilator's attempts to catch him.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Sorry, but that picture doesn't prove your statement. Doctore Dredd had learned magicks from the original Dredd, as I stated before, and that shield is part of his magicks.

A hammer which is stated to control matter = able to cancel out magic?  
Can Ronan walk up to Classic Strange and wallop him under the same notion despite auto shields? 
It wasn't a shield, he used it to passively protect himself but he was also chopping through whatever he wanted and again when was this said to be a spell?

" Throughout, is what I mean. Because Dredd was using nothing but magicks to do the bidding. Finding out who Dredd really was has no relevance to the conversation. Surfer didn't tank the shield, he was not only surprised by it, but he was confused as to how it could have happened when barely anything outside of magick has ever damaged him that extensively. It warped his hand to liquid, dude. And since Dredd has nothing more than magick to work with, his shield is magic-based unless you can prove to me that it wasn't. His Skrull abilities wouldn't even grant him that power.  I don't understand what your question = means. Please elaborate. And I don't know enough about Ronan to know if he could or couldn't. I'm going by the comics this far. If it encompasses his entire body, as obviously as he shows it to be, then it's a shield of sorts. A window, a block, whathaveyou. They mean the same thing in this case. But yes, it's passive, it's always on. So something about Ronan's hammer cancelled out the magicks. Perhaps the hammer cancelled out the matter aspect of the magicks which in turn cancelled out the energy aspect of the magicks. Again, this is going by what I see in the comic.

But we didn't even get a wiff of him not being Dredd till issue 3, issue 4 being the one that actually shows him learning from Dredd.  
The reason I mention the reveal is to point out the hole in the argument "Throughout the series we are hearing about how he learned his magic from the real Dredd!" 
His hand wasn't warped.  
 
  He was cut, not warped or destroyed and same cutting was allowing Dredd to cut portals from place to place. He even described himself as a creature of science in the first book.Skrulls are able to slap other people's abilities / powers onto them. Ronan's hammer doesn't cancel out magic, yet it completely prevented Dredd from cutting up space like he was when he first ran into the Annihilators.

Most powerfull version of Doom killed Watcher, with Destroyer Armor he solo both teams.

First and foremost, thanks for posting those scans. I was hoping someone would do so.
 
Second, I see that you were inclining whether or not I was meaning did Dredd out himself as not the real Dredd? Or did you mean that I was implying that he kept saying himself that he was trained with magicks? No, I had meant that towards him using magicks during every issue thus far. And yes, Silver Surfer's hand was warped. Warped is a word someone can use broadly for being changed, mangled, twisted, etc. As Surfer's hand appeared partially liquified, it is then warped. And I never knew that about Skrulls, that's nice to know that they can just... slap powers onto themselves. But, I never stated anything about Ronan's hammer til you popped that up in one of your responses. Again, I don't know about Ronan's hammer so I can't say what it does and doesn't do. If what you say is true about the hammer (also stated in a scan you posted), then I have to go on another route: Dredd's cutting edge "shield," is a byproduct of either magic or having slapped a power on himself. But due to him using magic in every issue of the series, I have to believe it's based on magicks unless otherwise stated canonically. Doesn't matter what anyone else tells me, so long as I see proof of it. I'm neither wrong nor right, therefore I await the truth. 

It wasn't warped, it was sliced. It wasn't mangled, twisted or anything like that, simply cut and he fixed it in the same issue. If I get my hand cut or slashed by something it's not being warped.  

Honestly you'd have better luck saying Unilord Warped him when he chopped and smashed him to goo. 

To say he's helpless against magic seems disingenuous, when he's fought multiple magically empowered characters over the years and has even synthesized Odin-Force.

@Dark Cloud™: 
But it's not being warped, Dredd's power wasn't to warp things with magic, it was to cutting through them.  
He was described as ripping and altering space time at the nano atomic level on both the opening pages of Annihilators 2 and 3.  
That was mentioned in both, thus far that hasn't consisted of "warping" anything but cutting it, which in this case resulting in the Surfer to have a bit of him fling off.  The guy doesn't have blood and his skin is made of indestructable metal and cosmic power. He's susceptible to a lot of things, magic is not an achilles heel for the Surfer.

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Doctor Strange's magicks, mixed with Loki's and Doctor Doom's, combined with Professor Xavier's telepathic abilities, should be enough to stop them in both rounds.

How do they counter the energy and matter manipulation of SS and Quasar?

Then I guess the Dictionary is wrong, my mistake.