Has Angel ever punched a military truck carrying several people off-road or caught a accelerated car on foot or side-stepped automatic gunfire at point blank range?
Physical Feats
PREDATOR: Cold War by Nathan Archer ISB 0-553-57493-0
Pages 208 - 209
For a moment the spear supported him; then the incredibly sharp spearhead cut through his spine and he slid down the shaft.
Blood ran down the shaft ahead of the dying Russian and he landed facedown in a pool of his own blood, cooling quickly on the ice.
The spear was snatched from his back by a shadow, indistinct figure and the second man down cut loose with his AK-100, spraying bullets at the barely glimpsed spear wielding killer.
The thing moved so fast it almost seemed to be dodging the bullets as it turned and ran back down the canyon. The Russian charged after it, bellowing.
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Someone, Pushkov or someone obeying Pushkov, fired; Gunin felt burning lines of pain as bullets tore through his right sleeve and through his arm but the pain was not bad, not enough to make him scream-- the spikes had already hurt him enough to deaden his sensitivity.
The creature holding the spear seemed to side-step the bullets easily.
Then it jabbed the spear forward, and Gunin no longer worried about spikes or bullets, or anything else as the thing cut his heart out with a single quick gesture.
After that, the alien disappeared, blurring into invisibility
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"I care about something," she told him, "I care about my men!"
"Yeah, I care about something," Schaefer said. "I care about the fact that when that thing's done with your friends, it'll probably find us. Do you have a knife?"
She blinked up at him. "A knife?"
"Those things are fast enough to dodge bullets, if they see them coming," Schaefer explained. "And even if you hit them, they're damn near bulletproof. Knives, well... they can dodge knives too, if they have a chance but I don't intend to give this one a chance."
Alien vs Predator War by S.D. Perry ISBN 0-553-57732-8
Page 172 to 173
The Queen continued in her bursts of screams, all but hidden by a mass of her minions, bugs jumping into the battle as more came out of the dark, running at the Hunters, the Hunters dancing and cutting like samurai-- both alien groups slowly, steadily gaining ground on the three humans.
Lara didn't think about it, couldn't, aiming and firing and aiming again, the bugs blasted into acid splash as the Hunters dodged and fought, and somehow managed not to die-- CLICK CLICK CLICK-- AND Lara heard Noguchi's weapon go dry, even over the screams and explosions, as chilling as terrible as the Queen's fury.
"The predator came out of the spaceship again, in full armour. Gustat had a clear shot, and the ArmaLite AR-50 wasn't a joke. He would probably make a dent in the Predator's armour, maybe even several dents. Possibly kill him, although the creatures reflexes were so freakishly fast that Gustat doubted it, not without a chance at a headshot sans helmet." - South China Sea
Caughts a subway train on foot and kicks in the windows and kills everyone onboard
Fast enough to evade gunfire and grab a scientist and manages to jump a gate that is several feet tall
Capable of keeping up with a speeding car on foot
Dodges a Bazooka at close range
Dodges missiles from a Helicopter at close range
Predators are capable of flipping off cliffs
Strong enough to toss around a adult bison like a toy
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Strong enough to tear open and bend a reinforced metal door with effortlessly
Strong enough to throw a decapitated head through the window shield of a military jeep and knocks over the whole jeep
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Strong enough to rip out a human's skull and spine, punch through a human and rip out their heart, rip off a human's head, and kill a man with casual backhand
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Strong enough to walk right through a solid brick wall and destroy a scout helicopter with a couple of punches
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Strong enough to punch a military truck through the air carrying five people and knock it off-road
They had careened through yet another curve in the road when Nikolai saw Marikova's eyes widen and she shouted at him, at them "There's someting out there! Stop now!" Rath glanced back at her with an expression that Nikolai interpreted as pity or disgust--and gunned the engine. Something shimmering and heavy hit Nikolai's side of the truck with a force that cracked metal, and in that splitsecond before the truck overturned and they all went spilling out onto the ground, onto the road, Nikolai felt something right beside his head, something that made a growling-clicking sound that made himscream, and behind it the sensation of great weight and the smell like rotting meat so that he steeled himself for a blow, but no blow came, just the delicate scrape of a clawed hand across his face, receding as the changed momentum of the truck and his own inertia carried him away from the creature."
Nick <rhetorical> Are you like a Predator fan or something </rhetorical> ?
1) In all of the Predator movies the Predators have an advantage because their prey doesn't know what they are up against. Angel does know here. He knows everything that Dutch knew.
2) Angel, being dead, doesn't give off any heat. He doesn't have a beating heart. He doesn't breath. The Predator won't be able to detect him using any of it's usual vision modes.
3) All Yautja are trained in hand to hand combat, but they spend more time training to use their weapons and to hunt. Angel has more combat experience then the average Predator; he has fought in eleven wars (IIRC) and has trained in numerous fighting styles from all over the world. He is extremely proficient with a sword and can easily take a hit from anything but the plasma blasts, which he is more then capable of avoiding.
I think it is likely that the Predator would engage Angel in hand to hand. It's helmet won't do it any good, and he is obviously a worthy opponent looking for a fight. If a normal human is fast enough to take down a Predator with a sword, then someone who is significantly faster and more durable is more then capable of doing the same, and living to tell about it.
1) No, during the movies pretty all of the opposition was killed off rather quickly except the main protagonist who were viewed as a worthy challenge and were given a fighting chance due to the fact that the Predator wanting a equal fair which is why they disarmed themselves and tried to draw out the fight as long as possible instead of going for a quick kill. There was also a little WIS and CIS in the first movie such as mud masking Arnold's body heat and the Predator throwing him off the cliff into the water instead of fighting and killing him when he had the chance to.
2) The has a variety of visions such as Infrared, Ultraviolet, EMP, Sonar, and etc. Xenomorphs don't give off heat as well but are detectable to the Predator.
3) False, your average Predator is probably 400 - 500 years old and hunting is part of their daily routine and when they leave a planet which served as hunting grounds they spar and train until they reach their next hunting destination. In short the Predator hunts and trains almost 24/7 until they ascend to ranks of an Elder were they are no longer required to hunt since they have gained so much honor and political power in their lifespan. The Predator weapons are strong enough to tear through a tank with reinforced armor plating (2 inches of steel) with wet tissue paper and cut through the exoskeletons of xenomorphs (Drones, Warriors, Praetorians, and Queens) and the body armor of colonial marines which contains several layers of titanium, kevlar, carbon fiber, and etc.
4) Based off what I seen for Angel the Predator should take the majority since he is physically superior along with having access to a variety of highly advanced gear to dispose of Angel.
1) CIS/WIS, but Royce did the same thing that Dutch did. And don't tell me that it was non-canon, because the OP states that all of the movies can be used here. Yes, Royce also used fire to mess with it's vision, but the point is that it gave him several seconds during which he scored numerous hits. Following the logic that you just used there is a very good chance that the Predator would attempt to draw out a confrontation with Angel.
2) They aren't hunting Xenomorphs here. This thing doesn't know anything about Angel. It doesn't know that he is a walking corpse. The usual vision mode it uses is infrared. It doesn't know that Angel is coming after it, so why would it think to use anything other then what it usually does when hunting humans?
3) The average Predator. According to Mister Whisper, a Predator is considered an adult when it reaches eighty years. The thread-maker stated that the Predator is blooded, so it does have experience. You telling me that the average Predator is 400- 500 years old doesn't mesh with what he was saying, so one of you is out of the ballpark. Maybe an Elder Predator is 400 to 500 years old, but we aren't using an Elder here. I didn't say the Predator weapons can't cut Angel. That was never a question. But Angel is a Hell of a lot smarter then any Xenomorph and a Hell of a lot more experienced then any colonial marine. And you still haven't addressed the issue of his speed and reflexes.
4) If the Predator is physically superior then it isn't by much, and I've seen nothing to make me think they are faster then Angel is. And when their stats are that closely matched speed will be key.
Predator if were talking about Angel. But if it is arch angel i think he would beat the predator seeing he powers are far superior to Angels and he has the healing factor and he has a strength boost.
It's neither of these. It's Angel from the Buffyverse.
A new, mysterious monster has been carving up civilians in Los Angeles with the Angel Investigations crew having no clue as to what it is. After days of research and frustration, Cordelia recieves a vision from the Powers That Be. After recieving details from Cordelia, Angel and Wesley dive deeper into their research. Finally they come across an old newspaper article about a special forces team being wiped out by some mysterious unknown threat years back. They do more digging, even getting into contact with Dutch himself, until they finally discover what the monster is. Now with the knowledge of what it is and where it will be thanks to Cordelia's vision, Angel sets out to kill it. Rules: - In character - Standard equipment (Angel has a sword) - Thanks to Dutch Angel knows what to expect - To the death - Predator is blooded- Both comic and film/tv versions apply for both characters
This would be much more interesting if it were a "who gets more girls (on their planets)" match
If you folks cant give reasons and or proof as to why you think whomever wins..then i dont want to hear it. Angel is stronger, faster, more durable has better senses and is the better fighter....if 6 year old boy can spot an invisible predator in a tree..or a cop in downtown la can spot an invisible predator..or a ex green green beret can spot an invisible predator...a vampire with enhances sense of sight, smell and hearing can do the same. When predators stops getting killed buy cops, green berets, and Apache Indians..then you can folks can claim one can beat a guy who has taken out a man who has killed entire armies of demons using only a sword. Angel wins...good grief
Angel is very strong, very fast, great senses, fighting and weapon expert. Predator is not to be underestimated, but, I would put money on Angel. He has gone up against a lot of really tough people and come out on top.
He has the speed advantage here. And angel is a little (just a little lol) underrated in his h2h abilities. He has trained with fighting monks before, is a good swordsman, pit fighter and soldier. The predator has the definite edge in projectiles but if Angel gets close Angel takes it. He's that fast. and he can take alot more pain and damage than a predator can. he's finished fights while impaled, tortured and riddled with bullets. and has walked away from being tossed out a skyscraper. And the predator brings nothing to the table he hasnt faced before. angel chased down and killed a werewolf with a pen in season 5 lol
Also the prep time gives him waaayyy too much of an advantage here. Angel has used spells to incapacitate opponents in battle. at one point he posessed a ring that made him invulnerable and he has access to magic.
to make this fair the Pred needs prep time too me thinks
@Job:Then you haven't read a Predator comic before if you think that. Predator: Bad Blood, one bad blood took out an entire group of spec ops. Some Predators were hunting during WW1. They have taken on Xenos and military. Just because Dutch was able to kill a Predator(the youngest one in the movies) doesn't say much when you have some that can take out a whole team of spec ops and military.
@Job:Then you haven't read a Predator comic before if you think that. Predator: Bad Blood, one bad blood took out an entire group of spec ops. Some Predators were hunting during WW1. They have taken on Xenos and military. Just because Dutch was able to kill a Predator(the youngest one in the movies) doesn't say much when you have some that can take out a whole team of spec ops and military.
Arnold outsmarted a predator, danny did..etc...etc...etc so many humans have, Jobs posted proof to why Angel wins, you on the other hand have not, Angels more skilled in hunting and slayer and Predator which is a retarded deformed looking creature is not going to beat Angel who is fast and more skilled in fighting.
Predators hide like cowards and are to scared to show theirselfs most of the time.
Then you haven't read a Predator comic before if you think that.
He was taken out by cops and green berets in the comics too but sure...
Predator: Bad Blood, one bad blood took out an entire group of spec ops.
Stans nearly killed a Super predator with a freaking prison shank. And your predator took out a bunch of people running and screaming while he attacked them hidden in trees
What happened when he got up close?
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Just because Dutch was able to kill a Predator(the youngest one in the movies) doesn't say much when you have some that can take out a whole team of spec ops and military.
Dutch isn't the only human who took out a predator..but it's always lovely hearing that excuse.
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The difference between hunting and being in a fight. Anyone can hunt down a man with superior weapons and invisibility. What happens when all those nice gadgets the predator uses stop being effective?
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Yeah Heat sensor and heart beat tracking tech is really going to help in a fight against a man who's room temperature, and has no heart beat...can track a person across a city by smell, hear worms in the earth and can see meteor showers not visible from earth..oh and hey lets no
@TERMINATORXX:That's a lot of crap talking. Nickhero already posted scans on how a Predator can out run a subway, strong enough to rip threw tank armor and small helicopters, again you are pointing out the bad points like a kid. Yes Dutch found a way, doesn't mean he can't just take off the mask and see him with his eyes. Also the jungle hunter disarmed himself for a fair fight between him and Dutch.@hold_dat:
@nick_hero22: Also: The fastest that a subway could possible be going is 65 mph, and it's highly unlikely that one would ever be going that fast. The average speed of one would be around 35 mph. And Angel not only kept up with a speeding car, but chased one down on foot after it had had a head start of several minutes. I'm not arguing strength here. Based on feats, the Predator is stronger then Angel. But Angel is faster then the Predator, and in a contest of skill that is going to be key. The Predator is durable, but Angel usually finishes off his enemies with a neck snap or a decapitation. And call be crazy, but it's really hard for most humanoids to survive after getting one of those.
@jwalser3: See above.
@Job: @TERMINATORXX: I agree with you guys on the outcome, but keep it civil.
That's a lot of crap talking. Nickhero already posted scans on how a Predator can out run a subway,
No nickhero posted scans of cops showing up to tje scene of a crime and saying a everyone on board the train is dead..that of course = the predator ran along side train and hopped on...right.
strong enough to rip threw tank armor
He didn't say any of that... probably cus it didn't happen?
and small helicopters
oh man that must have been one tough small helicopter.... so when that bear beat him up both before and after he destroyed the helicopter....im guessing that bear must have been a 65 tonner.
Yes Dutch found a way, doesn't mean he can't just take off the mask and see him with his eyes.
See what? Someone move faster before having its head ripped off its body?
Also the jungle hunter disarmed himself for a fair fight between him and Dutch
@Ferro Vida:I will keep it civil, sorry :P. But as for your speeding car feat, a Predator was able to leap after one, slightly ahead of it to. And till, running at 35mph is pretty fast for a creature to run at. Also how good his he with a sword? If Broken Tusk can fight off swarms of Xenos with just a spear then I think he can take a vampire on.
I'm not arguing strength here. Based on feats, the Predator is stronger then Angel.
no its not
@jwalser3 said:
But as for your speeding car feat, a Predator was able to leap after one, slightly ahead of it to. And till, running at 35mph is pretty fast for a creature to run at.
...and buffy out ran a bus, car, and motorcycle.......but she cant go blur speed or dodge bullets after they've been fired..angel can.
Also how good his he with a sword? If Broken Tusk can fight off swarms of Xenos with just a spear then I think he can take a vampire on.
because broken tusk did so...all predators can don so right? He held off 5 xenos with a spear and a wrist blade...and then got killed by the queen. Yeah..im sure Perfect (a man who killed an entire army of demons and vampires using only a sword) thought the same before angel beat him too
@jwalser3: Leaping after a car is more of a strength feat then it is a speed feat. And I'm not saying that running 35 mph isn't impressive. I'm saying that the Predator can run that fast. But Angel is faster. He is extremely good with a sword, having had over two hundred years to practice. IIRC no one has beaten him in a sword fight. And there was an occasion in the comics where he used a sword to kill a demon that was bigger and stronger then him (it was described as having the strength and speed of one hundred men).
And why is it hard to believe that a Predator could run along a subway and hope on and slaughter everyone on it?
Yes a Predator lost to a bear, I to hated that comic for the WIS. It could have been a young Predator seeing how it only hunted dear. The point is,is that they are strong enough to rip threw it.
Also Dutch was prepped and ready to fight the Predator with, booby traps, flares, explosives. And once the water washed off the mud what happened? The predator had his wrist blades at his neck. He could have killed him, But no he fought Dutch H2H, Dutch won via booby traps. So what is your point? It's not like Dutch killed him with a knife or anything.
@TERMINATORXX:That's a lot of crap talking. Nickhero already posted scans on how a Predator can out run a subway, strong enough to rip threw tank armor and small helicopters, again you are pointing out the bad points like a kid. Yes Dutch found a way, doesn't mean he can't just take off the mask and see him with his eyes. Also the jungle hunter disarmed himself for a fair fight between him and Dutch.@hold_dat:
Predators have died from having their heads cut off by an axe and from being stabbed in the heart.
I have an axe and a Machette, I could kill a Predator very easily....Angels to smart and he could easily get ahold of those kind of weapons and what I said was right.
Predators are good at hunting their prey by doing what? Oh Thats right hiding like cowards when they attack....
Angel wins... I dont see how this thread made it to 5 pages even....let it go....
And why is it hard to believe that a Predator could run along a subway and hope on and slaughter everyone on it?
Yes a Predator lost to a bear, I to hated that comic for the WIS. It could have been a young Predator seeing how it only hunted dear. The point is,is that they are strong enough to rip threw it.
Also Dutch was prepped and ready to fight the Predator with, booby traps, flares, explosives. And once the water washed off the mud what happened? The predator had his wrist blades at his neck. He could have killed him, But no he fought Dutch H2H, Dutch won via booby traps. So what is your point? It's not like Dutch killed him with a knife or anything.
@Job:
You know why the predator didnt kill dutch?
Cause Predators are stupid... No wonder Dutch won...
@TERMINATORXX:Again with the sh!t talking. I've seen that picture of you with your jacket in the Godzilla vs WW thread. And no, I don't think you are par with a Predator. A Predator would have your skull in seconds and you'd be another trophy to him. And what do you think hunting is? Yes hunting you are in the shadows. I don't think you could take on a Predator...get over yourself.
@Job: Angel's best measurable strength feat from the show, IIRC, was when he threw a tank of liquid nitrogen at a demon in "Expecting". I had to estimate on how much the tank weighed; one gallon of liquid nitrogen weighs 8.345 pounds. The tank Angel threw, based on appearances, was 42 gallons. That means that with some effort Angel was able to throw a tank that weighed 353 pounds across a room at a rather large demon. It gives us a decent ball park to put him in. It would be fair to say that, based on that, Angel can lift a little over one ton under normal conditions.
@TERMINATORXX:Again with the sh!t talking. I've seen that picture of you with your jacket in the Godzilla vs WW thread. And no, I don't think you are par with a Predator. A Predator would have your skull in seconds and you'd be another trophy to him. And what do you think hunting is? Yes hunting you are in the shadows. I don't think you could take on a Predator...get over yourself.
You know why I have the leather jacket and the sunglasses? Because im THE TERMINATOR
I could be a T-1000 for all you know and mimic'd a leather coat and sunglasses to have A T-800's looks and style..... Yes If Im a TERMINATOR, I could shapeshift into a knife and tear that Predator the F**k up that died from having its head cut off...LMAO....TERMINATOR had his body blown to pieces and came back to life, good as new....LOL....Predators have the healing factor of a human which isnt to good...lol
I have a weapons, I wont even tell you I got and yes they could kill a predator easily....No questions asked...
Hahaahahah okay I'm done with this. If you think a Terminator(toaster) could take out a Predator then you are not worth debating with.
I will say Angel wins 6/10 times(don't get butthurt) If every one is just using the low end feats of Predator, I can't change your minds. But I will say Angel would be a big challenge.
TERMINATOR would very easily take out a Predator.... TERMINATOR got his body blown to pieces to where he had no more body and came back together, came back to life, good as new, kep coming and fire has messed up a super predator from Predators from Royces traps, TERMINATOR walks through fire, good as knew...LOL TERMINATOR would destroy a Predator within 20 seconds, very easily, all he has to do is stick his shapeshifting knife clean in the Predators heart that died from being stabbed by alien in avp1 LMAO..... That Predator would be nothing more than a useless retarded animal the TERMINATOR kills and goes on about his day and if you wanna talk about this in a TERMINATOR vs Predator thread then go make one, cause Predator wont stand a chance....
@Ferro Vida:That's fine. Okay like you said about who has better stats. I still think the predator is fast. All I want is feats/scans/videos just so I know more about Angel. As of right now I see him as a good vampire swordsman.
Predators have a sort of cloak, should mounted cannon, harpoon guns, an advanced form of a ninja star... basically are a supped up batman. Angel is what? durable, strong and quick?
Predator would win because he would setup in a position that is very advantageous to him and quickly cripple or even kill Angel.
@jwalser3: I posted a video a few pages back that had the scene of Angel reacting to and catching a crossbow bolt that was fired at his back from three feet away. That's one of his better speed feats. He was also able to catch up to a speeding muscle car that had had a several minute head start.
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Here are some other speed feats from the comic (the first one is of Spike, but Angel can do anything Spike can do).
1) In all of the Predator movies the Predators have an advantage because their prey doesn't know what they are up against. Angel does know here. He knows everything that Dutch knew.
2) Angel, being dead, doesn't give off any heat. He doesn't have a beating heart. He doesn't breath. The Predator won't be able to detect him using any of it's usual vision modes.
3) All Yautja are trained in hand to hand combat, but they spend more time training to use their weapons and to hunt. Angel has more combat experience then the average Predator; he has fought in eleven wars (IIRC) and has trained in numerous fighting styles from all over the world. He is extremely proficient with a sword and can easily take a hit from anything but the plasma blasts, which he is more then capable of avoiding.
I think it is likely that the Predator would engage Angel in hand to hand. It's helmet won't do it any good, and he is obviously a worthy opponent looking for a fight. If a normal human is fast enough to take down a Predator with a sword, then someone who is significantly faster and more durable is more then capable of doing the same, and living to tell about it.
1) No, during the movies pretty all of the opposition was killed off rather quickly except the main protagonist who were viewed as a worthy challenge and were given a fighting chance due to the fact that the Predator wanting a equal fair which is why they disarmed themselves and tried to draw out the fight as long as possible instead of going for a quick kill. There was also a little WIS and CIS in the first movie such as mud masking Arnold's body heat and the Predator throwing him off the cliff into the water instead of fighting and killing him when he had the chance to.
2) The has a variety of visions such as Infrared, Ultraviolet, EMP, Sonar, and etc. Xenomorphs don't give off heat as well but are detectable to the Predator.
3) False, your average Predator is probably 400 - 500 years old and hunting is part of their daily routine and when they leave a planet which served as hunting grounds they spar and train until they reach their next hunting destination. In short the Predator hunts and trains almost 24/7 until they ascend to ranks of an Elder were they are no longer required to hunt since they have gained so much honor and political power in their lifespan. The Predator weapons are strong enough to tear through a tank with reinforced armor plating (2 inches of steel) with wet tissue paper and cut through the exoskeletons of xenomorphs (Drones, Warriors, Praetorians, and Queens) and the body armor of colonial marines which contains several layers of titanium, kevlar, carbon fiber, and etc.
4) Based off what I seen for Angel the Predator should take the majority since he is physically superior along with having access to a variety of highly advanced gear to dispose of Angel.
1) CIS/WIS, but Royce did the same thing that Dutch did. And don't tell me that it was non-canon, because the OP states that all of the movies can be used here. Yes, Royce also used fire to mess with it's vision, but the point is that it gave him several seconds during which he scored numerous hits. Following the logic that you just used there is a very good chance that the Predator would attempt to draw out a confrontation with Angel.
2) They aren't hunting Xenomorphs here. This thing doesn't know anything about Angel. It doesn't know that he is a walking corpse. The usual vision mode it uses is infrared. It doesn't know that Angel is coming after it, so why would it think to use anything other then what it usually does when hunting humans?
3) The average Predator. According to Mister Whisper, a Predator is considered an adult when it reaches eighty years. The thread-maker stated that the Predator is blooded, so it does have experience. You telling me that the average Predator is 400- 500 years old doesn't mesh with what he was saying, so one of you is out of the ballpark. Maybe an Elder Predator is 400 to 500 years old, but we aren't using an Elder here. I didn't say the Predator weapons can't cut Angel. That was never a question. But Angel is a Hell of a lot smarter then any Xenomorph and a Hell of a lot more experienced then any colonial marine. And you still haven't addressed the issue of his speed and reflexes.
4) If the Predator is physically superior then it isn't by much, and I've seen nothing to make me think they are faster then Angel is. And when their stats are that closely matched speed will be key.
1) Mud cannot and will never be able to cover a warm-blooded mammals body heat it isn't possible, I believe that Mythbuster did a case of this and a ruled out the possibility of mud blocking body heat, mud may cool your body temperature but it doesn't make you invisible. I never said it would be a stomp, but I do believe that a Blooded Predator could take a good majority in this fight due to being more experienced, better technology, and superior stats (I still haven't seen any scans in Angel's favor that would support the notion of him having equal stats). The Predators in the movies were Unblooded whereas the one we are using in this battle thread is a Blooded Warrior who would have had centuries of experience and combat training to hone his skills so using the movies as a reason to side for Angel is pretty ridiculous (no offense), like I said before those movies contained a certain degree of WIS and CIS for the sake of the plot along with a inexperienced hunter who had to adhere a very strict code of conduct during a hunt. As for the movie Predators Angel could probably solo all of those Predators with a degree of ease because they were anything except impressive, even their leader the Super Black Predator had trouble defeating a Unblooded Predator who had been tortured for a extended period of time.
2) I would wager that an xenomorph is much more formidable than a lot of Angel's opposition. The Predator isn't stupid enough to stick to one vision during a fight if he is incapable of seeing his foe, their are sound amplifiers in the Predator's helmet so any movement or sound would cause the Predator to switch vision modes until it has some clarity.
3) Your average Predator is a Blooded Hunter who is most likely between the ages of 300 - 500 years old, a Unblooded Hunter is considered a adolescent and isn't a skilled hunter nor a official member of a clan yet. An Elder has roughly close to a millenia of experience and honor attached to it's name and there is no need in continuing the hunt, most Elders either become mentors to the Unblooded Hunters (Broken Tusk) or become high ranking Officials in the Yautja society.
Please show me one of Angel's reflexes and speeds feats that are on par with running so fast that a shooter couldn't even see him and just retorted to firing wildly, side-stepping automatic gunfire at point blank range, dodging a barrage of missiles, running down a subway train, keeping pace with a accelerated sports car, and etc?
No..it didn't. Burt thanks for posting a scan showing the predator using his wrist blades to cut into 2 inch steel.
And why is it hard to believe that a Predator could run along a subway and hope on and slaughter everyone on it?
Because one predator could barely keep up with a human?
The point is,is that they are strong enough to rip threw it.
no they arent
Also Dutch was prepped and ready to fight the Predator with, booby traps, flares, explosives. And once the water washed off the mud what happened? The predator had his wrist blades at his neck. He could have killed him, But no he fought Dutch H2H, Dutch won via booby traps. So what is your point? It's not like Dutch killed him with a knife or anything.
So basically..he evened the playing field and won because of it? I dont hear anyone complaining about the predator being only able to kill humans when they're invisible, have plasma canons or are sneaking up on them..despite the fact that they're physically stronger and have armor with all sorts of tracking capabilities. But its dutch who cant fight, because he needed traps to win? ok. Once again..dutch isnt the only one whos killed a predator..i just showed scans of one getting blasted in the face by a gun after it stopped hiding. Nope..but dutchs' friend almost killed it with a knife...a prison inmate almost shanked one to death..but ok
No..it didn't. Burt thanks for posting a scan showing the predator using his wrist blades to cut into 2 inch steel.
And why is it hard to believe that a Predator could run along a subway and hope on and slaughter everyone on it?
Because one predator could barely keep up with a human?
The point is,is that they are strong enough to rip threw it.
no they arent
Also Dutch was prepped and ready to fight the Predator with, booby traps, flares, explosives. And once the water washed off the mud what happened? The predator had his wrist blades at his neck. He could have killed him, But no he fought Dutch H2H, Dutch won via booby traps. So what is your point? It's not like Dutch killed him with a knife or anything.
So basically..he evened the playing field and won because of it? I dont hear anyone complaining about the predator being only able to kill humans when they're invisible, have plasma canons or are sneaking up on them..despite the fact that they're physically stronger and have armor with all sorts of tracking capabilities. But its dutch who cant fight, because he needed traps to win? ok. Once again..dutch isnt the only one whos killed a predator..i just showed scans of one getting blasted in the face by a gun after it stopped hiding. Nope..but dutchs' friend almost killed it with a knife...a prison inmate almost shanked one to death..but ok
@Job: Angel's best measurable strength feat from the show, IIRC, was when he threw a tank of liquid nitrogen at a demon in "Expecting". I had to estimate on how much the tank weighed; one gallon of liquid nitrogen weighs 8.345 pounds. The tank Angel threw, based on appearances, was 42 gallons. That means that with some effort Angel was able to throw a tank that weighed 353 pounds across a room at a rather large demon. It gives us a decent ball park to put him in. It would be fair to say that, based on that, Angel can lift a little over one ton under normal conditions.
Beheading a demon with a string...crushing steel pipes on a submarine..over powering demons who were ripping apart steal..and then breaking their backs bane style? Or what about Spike (whos younger and thus weaker than angel), completely crushing a reinforced steel door the size of a small bank vault? Crushing steel doors, and completely destroying steel doors with kicks? Right like i said..the predator isnt stronger than angel.
@Job: Angel's best measurable strength feat from the show, IIRC, was when he threw a tank of liquid nitrogen at a demon in "Expecting". I had to estimate on how much the tank weighed; one gallon of liquid nitrogen weighs 8.345 pounds. The tank Angel threw, based on appearances, was 42 gallons. That means that with some effort Angel was able to throw a tank that weighed 353 pounds across a room at a rather large demon. It gives us a decent ball park to put him in. It would be fair to say that, based on that, Angel can lift a little over one ton under normal conditions.
Beheading a demon with a string...crushing steel pipes on a submarine..over powering demons who were ripping apart steal..and then breaking their backs bane style? Or what about Spike (whos younger and thus weaker than angel), completely crushing a reinforced steel door the size of a small bank vault? Crushing steel doors, and completely destroying steel doors with kicks? Right like i said..the predator isnt stronger than angel.
Those are unimpressive the Predator has been able to send a military vehicle that was carrying several people flying through the air with a punch, throw a decapitated head to hard that it knocked over a military vehicle with several people on-board, and pry open a reinforced steel door and bend it with utter ease.
@nick_hero22: Predators might be durable, but they've been outsmarted by soldiers.... Arnold as a human and danny and Royce cut a Super Predators head off or whatever Predator that was that was servior to regular Predators and those humans arent even half as skilled as Angel.... I think im done with this thread...to much drama its causing....
Angel Stomps let it go guys... Regular humans have owned and outsmarted Predators, their weapons and durability might be debatable, but they dont even use their brains half the time and use em alot...
A new, mysterious monster has been carving up civilians in Los Angeles with the Angel Investigations crew having no clue as to what it is. After days of research and frustration, Cordelia recieves a vision from the Powers That Be. After recieving details from Cordelia, Angel and Wesley dive deeper into their research. Finally they come across an old newspaper article about a special forces team being wiped out by some mysterious unknown threat years back. They do more digging, even getting into contact with Dutch himself, until they finally discover what the monster is. Now with the knowledge of what it is and where it will be thanks to Cordelia's vision, Angel sets out to kill it. Rules: - In character - Standard equipment (Angel has a sword) - Thanks to Dutch Angel knows what to expect - To the death - Predator is blooded- Both comic and film/tv versions apply for both characters
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