Anakin Skywalker vs General Grievous

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I know Clone Wars era threads have been done to the death, but I haven't actually seen this one discussed in great depth. Seems like an even match to me. Something worth discussing.

Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)

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Rules

  • Legends versions only
  • Basic knowledge
  • Fighting to kill
  • Random encounter
  • Fight is in a building akin to the Jedi Temple, but still neutral to both fighters
  • Fight to the death

Round 1

  • Pure lightsaber/martial arts fight

Round 2

  • Anything goes
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Anakin ROFTLSTOMPS

Is this a joke?

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@injusticeforall: Anakin isn't stomping someone who has:

  • Stalemated Mace Windu while having his feet magnetized to the ground
  • Given Count Dooku real difficulty during sparring
  • Overloaded Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences
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@injusticeforall: Anakin isn't stomping someone who has:

  • Stalemated Mace Windu while having his feet magnetized to the ground
  • Given Count Dooku real difficulty during sparring
  • Overloaded Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences

You're right.

He's r*&^( stomping him.

Windu nearly destroyed him.

Dooku was training him and easily fending him off (before putting him down).

Kenobi's almost made robot sushi with him.

What the hell are you talking about?

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Grievous sends drones and runs away

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Windu didn't come close to "nearly destroying" him. They met each other strike for strike. And this was while Grievous; feet were clamped to the roof of the train, whereas Windu had full mobility. Do you realize how much of a disadvantage that would put Grievous at? And even then, Windu only won by BFRing Grievous, cutting the floor, making him fall through the roof.

Kit's bulging black eyes indicated Palpatine. "They want to take him alive."

The words had scarcely left his mouth when something hit the train with sufficient force to whip everyone from one side of the car to the other, then back again. The Red Guards were just regaining their balance when the roof began to resound with the cadence of heavy, clanging footfalls, advancing from the rear of the train.

"Grievous," Mace grumbled.

Kit glanced at him. "Here we go again."

Hurrying into the vestibule between the two lead cars, they launched themselves to the roof. Three cars distant marched General Grievous and two of his elite droids, their capes snapping behind them in the wind, pulse-tipped batons angled across their barrel chests. Farther back, clamped by animal-like claws to the roof of the train, was the gunboat from which the frightful trio had been released.

Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long.

Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad—the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled.

To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs...

The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike.

The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack.Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary.

Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous—onetime courageous commander of sentient troops—realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous—current commander of droids and other war machines—wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades.

Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of

Grievous's single misstep.

Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself?

Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

There is also an excerpt (I believe from LoE) where it notes that on several occasions Grievous has given Dooku a true challenge during their sparring sessions. I'm sure someone will post it soon.

As for overloading Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-- sixteen per second, eighteen -- until finally at twenty strikes per second he overloaded Obi-Wans defenses

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

(credit to Deronn and whirlwind for posting these)

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@dondave said:

Grievous sends drones and runs away

Lol. He probably would, but in this scenario he is not allowed to be a b*tch.

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Tough, but Anakin pulls it off.

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I doubt Anakin is the better duelist.

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Windu didn't come close to "nearly destroying" him. They met each other strike for strike. And this was while Grievous; feet were clamped to the roof of the train, whereas Windu had full mobility. Do you realize how much of a disadvantage that would put Grievous at? And even then, Windu only won by BFRing Grievous, cutting the floor, making him fall through the roof.

Kit's bulging black eyes indicated Palpatine. "They want to take him alive."

The words had scarcely left his mouth when something hit the train with sufficient force to whip everyone from one side of the car to the other, then back again. The Red Guards were just regaining their balance when the roof began to resound with the cadence of heavy, clanging footfalls, advancing from the rear of the train.

"Grievous," Mace grumbled.

Kit glanced at him. "Here we go again."

Hurrying into the vestibule between the two lead cars, they launched themselves to the roof. Three cars distant marched General Grievous and two of his elite droids, their capes snapping behind them in the wind, pulse-tipped batons angled across their barrel chests. Farther back, clamped by animal-like claws to the roof of the train, was the gunboat from which the frightful trio had been released.

Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long.

Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad—the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled.

To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs...

The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike.

The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack.Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary.

Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous—onetime courageous commander of sentient troops—realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous—current commander of droids and other war machines—wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades.

Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of

Grievous's single misstep.

Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself?

Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

There is also an excerpt (I believe from LoE) where it notes that on several occasions Grievous has given Dooku a true challenge during their sparring sessions. I'm sure someone will post it soon.

As for overloading Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-- sixteen per second, eighteen -- until finally at twenty strikes per second he overloaded Obi-Wans defenses

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

(credit to Deronn and whirlwind for posting these)

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@injusticeforall:

Windu didn't come close to "nearly destroying" him. They met each other strike for strike. And this was while Grievous; feet were clamped to the roof of the train, whereas Windu had full mobility. Do you realize how much of a disadvantage that would put Grievous at? And even then, Windu only won by BFRing Grievous, cutting the floor, making him fall through the roof.

Kit's bulging black eyes indicated Palpatine. "They want to take him alive."

The words had scarcely left his mouth when something hit the train with sufficient force to whip everyone from one side of the car to the other, then back again. The Red Guards were just regaining their balance when the roof began to resound with the cadence of heavy, clanging footfalls, advancing from the rear of the train.

"Grievous," Mace grumbled.

Kit glanced at him. "Here we go again."

Hurrying into the vestibule between the two lead cars, they launched themselves to the roof. Three cars distant marched General Grievous and two of his elite droids, their capes snapping behind them in the wind, pulse-tipped batons angled across their barrel chests. Farther back, clamped by animal-like claws to the roof of the train, was the gunboat from which the frightful trio had been released.

Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long.

Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad—the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled.

To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs...

The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike.

The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack.Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary.

Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous—onetime courageous commander of sentient troops—realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous—current commander of droids and other war machines—wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades.

Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of

Grievous's single misstep.

Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself?

Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind.

--Taken from Labyrinth of Evil

There is also an excerpt (I believe from LoE) where it notes that on several occasions Grievous has given Dooku a true challenge during their sparring sessions. I'm sure someone will post it soon.

As for overloading Obi-Wan Kenobi's defences.

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-- sixteen per second, eighteen -- until finally at twenty strikes per second he overloaded Obi-Wans defenses

-Taken from Revenge Of The Sith

(credit to Deronn and whirlwind for posting these)

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Anakin should destroy in this one

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1. A close match, probably Anakin in a slim fight.

2. Anakin.

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Round 2 is not that much of a battle IMO, Anakin is taking the solid majority.

Round 1 is the debate.

Greivus has the X hits per second feat, has given trouble to Obi, and Anakin uses the force quite alot.

But, overall, I still see Anakin taking a majority.

Ok, ok, Dooku was holding back, and his style was disadvantageous against Anakin's.

But that is still a crazy feat.

Anakin 6/10.

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Dooku was not holding back against Anakin, and Anakin has never beaten Dooku without the aid of circumstances, so we can only consider them equals, not superiors, to each other.

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Dooku was not holding back against Anakin, and Anakin has never beaten Dooku without the aid of circumstances, so we can only consider them equals, not superiors, to each other.

Didn't he have orders not to kill?
it's sort of having to hold back o.O

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@pierpat: There's a distinction between not killing and not fighting to the best of his ability. There were multiple times, even before Anakin started to tap into the dark side, that Dooku was heavily strained, almost overwhelmed. If he was holding back, he should have the capacity to relieve himself of such pressure, but it was obvious there was nothing he could do which was why he signaled for his guards.

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@pierpat: There's a distinction between not killing and not fighting to the best of his ability. There were multiple times, even before Anakin started to tap into the dark side, that Dooku was heavily strained, almost overwhelmed. If he was holding back, he should have the capacity to relieve himself of such pressure, but it was obvious there was nothing he could do which was why he signaled for his guards.

Seems reasonable.

There's still the clashing styles stuff, but this proves even more that Anakin should win the lightsaber only fight too...right?

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@pierpat: Probably. They're about even in raw combat speed, and strength, or perhaps a slight edge to Anakin if he gets angry enough, but durability goes to Grievous. I doubt that would prove too dangerous, though. Anakin is minimally more skilled, but then, Grievous's multiple weapons and versatility could even that.

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I think Anakin takes both rounds, but Round 1 is a close contest

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@pierpat: Probably. They're about even in raw combat speed, and strength, or perhaps a slight edge to Anakin if he gets angry enough, but durability goes to Grievous. I doubt that would prove too dangerous, though. Anakin is minimally more skilled, but then, Grievous's multiple weapons and versatility could even that.

Actually Kin is plenty more skilled that Grievous.

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I refuse to comment on anymore Star Wars threads that doesn't include at least, one, Force sensitive - from the Old republic, NR, NJO or the Legacy era.

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@shootingnova said:

@pierpat: Probably. They're about even in raw combat speed, and strength, or perhaps a slight edge to Anakin if he gets angry enough, but durability goes to Grievous. I doubt that would prove too dangerous, though. Anakin is minimally more skilled, but then, Grievous's multiple weapons and versatility could even that.

Actually Kin is plenty more skilled that Grievous.

...but comments like these sure are tempting.

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I refuse to comment on anymore Star Wars threads that doesn't include at least, one, Force sensitive - from the Old republic, NR, NJO or the Legacy era.

I'm coming close to this sentiment. I really, really don't care about Clone Wars characters (... well, I did, until TCW... -_-)

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Round 1- Grievous kills Anakin eventually.
Round 2- Anakin pulls it off

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Round 1, I don't know. I have to admit that Grievious was good, but Anakin is better swordsman, but an injured Grievious pieced up Obi Wan in ROTS. I can only imagine his strength before he was injured by Mace Windu. Grievious takes this.

Round 2: Anakin wins via Obvious reasons.

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@jedixman: o u mean the show where they said hey heres all the characters that u think u knew, but really YOU DONT

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@injusticeforall said:

@shootingnova said:

@pierpat: Probably. They're about even in raw combat speed, and strength, or perhaps a slight edge to Anakin if he gets angry enough, but durability goes to Grievous. I doubt that would prove too dangerous, though. Anakin is minimally more skilled, but then, Grievous's multiple weapons and versatility could even that.

Actually Kin is plenty more skilled that Grievous.

...but comments like these sure are tempting.

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Without PIS? Anakin stomps him with the Force.

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@jedixman said:

@deronn_solo said:

I refuse to comment on anymore Star Wars threads that doesn't include at least, one, Force sensitive - from the Old republic, NR, NJO or the Legacy era.

I'm coming close to this sentiment. I really, really don't care about Clone Wars characters (... well, I did, until TCW... -_-)

Most threads featuring CW characters these days seems to attract troll and most of them get heated for seemingly asinine reasons. Yeah, I will start treating Clone Wars thread like their a cancer starting today.

Plus, I agree, the Clone Wars characters are nowhere near the most enjoyable Star wars Characters.

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@injusticeforall said:

@shootingnova said:

@pierpat: Probably. They're about even in raw combat speed, and strength, or perhaps a slight edge to Anakin if he gets angry enough, but durability goes to Grievous. I doubt that would prove too dangerous, though. Anakin is minimally more skilled, but then, Grievous's multiple weapons and versatility could even that.

Actually Kin is plenty more skilled that Grievous.

...but comments like these sure are tempting.

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I'm on strike so I'll have to pass.

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@jedixman: @deronn_solo: To be fair.. it's mostly been Maul, Windu and Sidious, and to a lesser extent guys like Yoda, Dooku, Kenobi and Grievous that have sparked a lot of the more stupid discussions. I sort of noticed that Grievous and Anakin were spared from it a bit and since this is a duel I've never seen discussed, I thought it could be interesting. But I respect your guys' decision to take a strike.

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#35 JediXMan  Moderator

@i_like_swords:

And everybody associated with / who has fought the characters you mentioned.

... therefore every TCW character.

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@jedixman: Well I mean.. you don't have guys arguing over Kit Fisto's immersion into Vaapad ect :p You get a couple of good discussions out of ten, where the other eight range from horrific to distasteful.

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@jedixman: Well I mean.. you don't have guys arguing over Kit Fisto's immersion into Vaapad ect :p You get a couple of good discussions out of ten, where the other eight range from horrific to distasteful.

Fair enough.

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Actually Kin is plenty more skilled that Grievous.

No, he's not.

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these two never fought?.......hmm.....well anyways how does grievous fare against force users?

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Anakin in good fight.

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@injusticeforall: No, he's not. Prove that he is so much more skilful than Pre-TCW Grievous.

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#43  Edited By ShootingNova
@jedixman said:

I'm coming close to this sentiment. I really, really don't care about Clone Wars characters (... well, I did, until TCW... -_-)

Whilst I think retirement from plain TCW threads is my plan, I don't think TCW itself is enough to drag down the characters. Obi-Wan, Anakin, Tyranus, Sidious and so on still have sufficient characterization to form good characters, and I'm not simply hating them thanks to TCW, which does, at times, portray them well enough.

However, I do think the Clone Wars era in general is simply too overused. The quality of discussion that it should warrant should be enough to attract me, and this in part due to the large amount of material and exploration within the era. Unfortunately, it doesn't get that quality of discussion, and there's nothing that can be done, mostly because the catalysts for such poor quality discussion refuse to listen to anybody else and therefore threads die the moment such posters post in these threads. This isn't targeted at anybody in particular, I've just had enough with such threads and I think the only way to relieve myself of such experiences is frankly to just desist from posting on them altogether. I might make a blog on this.
On-topic, I stand by my previous assessments.
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@injusticeforall: No, he's not. Prove that he is so much more skilful than Pre-TCW Grievous.

You prove it. Anakin has always been on the top margin of the most skilled duelists in SW. What you are saying is ridiculous.

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@injusticeforall: LOL @ this. That's not how a debate works. I don't prove a negative; you have to prove your accusation, which, let me remind you, was that Anakin is vastly more skilful than Grievous. The fact is that Grievous has fought evenly with Mace Windu, repeatedly challenged Dooku, Anakin's equal, challenged Obi-Wan and only lost due to a form advantage in Kenobi's favor (hence why he was sent to Utapau), and so on. Anakin is nowhere near vastly more skilful than that.

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@injusticeforall: LOL @ this. That's not how a debate works. I don't prove a negative; you have to prove your accusation, which, let me remind you, was that Anakin is vastly more skilful than Grievous. The fact is that Grievous has fought evenly with Mace Windu, repeatedly challenged Dooku, Anakin's equal, challenged Obi-Wan and only lost due to a form advantage in Kenobi's favor (hence why he was sent to Utapau), and so on. Anakin is nowhere near vastly more skilful than that.

LoL @ this. Debates work by proving a point. So far you have nothing.

Mace Windu destroyed him.

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ROTS Anakin stomped Dooku.

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Anakin's equal my @$$.

Obi Wan beat him plain and simple.

Yes. Anakin is vastly more skilled.

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@injusticeforall: Like you've proved all your points with irrefutable material?

1. I saw such a lightsaber duel there. I was referencing the duel in LoE, which was quoted above. Taking an instance of Force attack rather than a lightsaber duel does nothing to substantiate your point and shows how reputable your comprehension skills are.

2. LOL @ this. You mean after he was amped by Force Rage and drew on the dark side? Yes, he stomped him indeed, and he obviously did so in every other fight with normal circumstances. Have you read any EU material at all? If not, I suggest you read the RotS novel or junior novel so as to understand how they were evenly matched prior to his drawing upon the dark side in a rather out-of-context manner.

Oh, and the fact that Tyranus lasted so long in of itself disproves your claim of Anakin "stomping him", and Anakin already had an innate edge due to Djem So in application against Makashi, as the RotS novel describes.

3. Yes, he did. With a form advantage. But since you want to play such cards, Obi-Wan defeated Anakin as well.

4. No, he's not.

But since the direction of which this argument will be headed is easily foreseeable, I'll leave the discussion now and be mercifully free of your snarky rejections and out-of-context usages of evidence. Don't even bother to respond, but if you do, don't expect a reply of any nature.

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@injusticeforall: Like you've proved all your points with irrefutable material?

1. I saw such a lightsaber duel there. I was referencing the duel in LoE, which was quoted above. Taking an instance of Force attack rather than a lightsaber duel does nothing to substantiate your point and shows how reputable your comprehension skills are.

2. LOL @ this. You mean after he was amped by Force Rage and drew on the dark side? Yes, he stomped him indeed, and he obviously did so in every other fight with normal circumstances. Have you read any EU material at all? If not, I suggest you read the RotS novel or junior novel so as to understand how they were evenly matched prior to his drawing upon the dark side in a rather out-of-context manner.

Oh, and the fact that Tyranus lasted so long in of itself disproves your claim of Anakin "stomping him", and Anakin already had an innate edge due to Djem So in application against Makashi, as the RotS novel describes.

3. Yes, he did. With a form advantage. But since you want to play such cards, Obi-Wan defeated Anakin as well.

4. No, he's not.

But since the direction of which this argument will be headed is easily foreseeable, I'll leave the discussion now and be mercifully free of your snarky rejections and out-of-context usages of evidence. Don't even bother to respond, but if you do, don't expect a reply of any nature.

1. A duel plagued by contexts on both sides which told us absolutely nothing. The clip I posted was much more conclusive.

2. LOL @ this. EU is now non canon I'm afraid. Which means all that you are telling me is complete crap. And you can sob to Lucas for that.

Tyrannus lasted less than a minute what are you talking about? Even Ventress lasted longer. Anakin had no edge. He flat out stomped him in a fair duel where he was simply supreme.

3. What cards? Those are CANON.

Of course Obi Wan defeated Anakin.

Too bad Grevious isn't Anakin so saying that does nothing to further your cause.

Oh. Know who else Obi Wan beat? Grevious...

4. Yes, he is.

I don't expect a reply. I expect your predicted passive and silent/non responsive acquiesce as to how wrong you are.

Good day.

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#49  Edited By ShootingNova

As I said, I am not responding to the above post, but since people are now commenting on how the EU is non-canon, would somebody care to read the OP's stipulations as "Legends versions", which is, EU. In fact, he said Legends only.

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@i_like_swords: here is the quote with dooku

Grievous to be nothing but anger and rage. And as to the general's combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.