#1 Posted by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules:

No BFR

BB is BLOOD LUSTED

#2 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (5151 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Bolt

#3 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Bolt should take this

his omnidirectional destruction should counter Flash's speed

#4 Posted by IRS (455 posts) - - Show Bio

Just to head off the speed bltizing arguments lets start the battle with blackbolt already screaming.

#5 Edited by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio

@irs said:

Just to head off the speed bltizing arguments lets start the battle with blackbolt already screaming.

Title already stated that he is insane and already screaming :)

#7 Posted by IRS (455 posts) - - Show Bio

@irs said:

Just to head off the speed bltizing arguments lets start the battle with blackbolt already screaming.

Title already stated that he is insane and already screaming :)

Ah, fair enough then. I thought it meant he was willing to scream but never mind, you have your bases covered.

#8 Edited by SlimJ87D (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

@betatesthighlander1 said:

Black Bolt should take this

his omnidirectional destruction should counter Flash's speed

Doubt it. Flash can vibrate through all sorts of energy attacks. And if we're talking about Pre-Newt-52 JLA, Martian Manhunter can also make himself intangible through energy attacks.

Even New-52 Barry has Femtosecond reaction time, without activating his powers he dodged a bullet that was already fired by an unknown shooter so his attention was already down as well. See here he wasn't using his powers at all and the moment the bullet touched him he was too fast for the bullet.

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#9 Posted by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: Can you tell me what has exploded?

#10 Posted by SlimJ87D (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: Why? You're just going to try and say Black Bolt's energy attacks and it won't work.

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#11 Posted by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@overlordarhas: Why? You're just going to try and say Black Bolt's energy attacks and it won't work.

Huh? I just want to know what was it that exploded, is it a bomb or an energy attack?

#12 Edited by SlimJ87D (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas:To be honest I'm not sure. It's from JLA Classified #35.

I'm sure other DC readers have dozens of feats of him vibrating through various energy attacks.

@citizenbane might be able to share a few feats.

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#13 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

JLA. Martian Manhunter and Flash can both phase through Bolt's energy attacks. They can both use lethal phasing attacks or, MMH can dominate him telepathically.

#14 Posted by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio

JLA. Martian Manhunter and Flash can both phase through Bolt's energy attacks. They can both use lethal phasing attacks or, MMH can dominate him telepathically.

He is insane so mental faculty is as good as unreachable.

#15 Posted by Saren (25274 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: That's not an energy attack in that scan. It's the detonation of a gigantic meteorite that the Red King sent crashing into Earth. Flash has vibrated through energy attacks, though; in Heaven's Ladder he phased through Superman and Martian Manhunter's heat vision.

Also Black Bolt's scream is fueled by electron vibration, and Flash is kind of the king of vibrations.....

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#16 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: Got some MMH feats

JLA: Year One #8: Quickly escaping from a construct-cage created by Hal Jordan, presumably via invisibility + intangibility.

JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare #3: Phasing through a force-field that tanked hits from Superman and Green Lantern.

Martian Manhunter #13: Phases through a White Martian's Martian vision beams.

Infinite Crisis #6: Phasing through Superboy-Prime's heat vision and smacking him away. This was a few pages after Prime laughed off punches from Black Adam.

-Credit to Citizenbane

#17 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: Not at all. Not for someone as powerul telepathically as the Martian Manhunter.

He was able to temporarily make the Joker sane. Someone who make Black Bolt seem calm and collected. Joker is a lunatic in comparison to Black Bolt.

#18 Posted by Saren (25274 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara said:

JLA. Martian Manhunter and Flash can both phase through Bolt's energy attacks. They can both use lethal phasing attacks or, MMH can dominate him telepathically.

He is insane so mental faculty is as good as unreachable.

Joker's insane too. Didn't stop MMH from messing with his head....twice. This is what happened the second time around.

An entire asylum full of insane people, "rectified" by telepathy.

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#19 Posted by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio
#20 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

Ummmmm...wasn't his scream tested to rip holes in time/space if used to it's maximum capacity....

And it's well established that his state of mind can affect how well it works. If he's already screaming, and he's in an insane, bloodlusted, and angry state of mind when the battle starts, I think it's stalemate, as nobody can consider that outcome a win.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#21 Edited by Ancient_0f_Days (11785 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: to think, only such irony can make the dark knight grin ... he's the real psycho here ....

#22 Edited by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, Black Bolts has resisted telepathic assault before. His brother Maximus has some pretty potent mind control IIRC, which failed to do so much as make him utter a whisper.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#23 Edited by OverLordArhas (7565 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: to think, only such irony can make the dark knight grin ... he's the real psycho here ....

LOLZ. AGREED

#24 Edited by Saren (25274 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Ummmmm...wasn't his scream tested to rip holes in time/space if used to it's maximum capacity....

Not really. That was the Skrull while amped by Reed's machines.

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#25 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

Ummmmm...wasn't his scream tested to rip holes in time/space if used to it's maximum capacity....

Not really. That was the Skrull while amped by Reed's machines.

Ah. Been awhile since I've read any inhumans. I thought it was just Reed's machines testing him or something like that. But again, my memory is very fresh on the topic so I would take your statement over mine.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#26 Posted by SlimJ87D (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

@citizenbane: Thank you for your knowledge.

Now I'll add a little bit to the debate.

1. Black Bolt is not going to scream his head off forever. As he screams, he will tire and his stats turn that of a normal human.

"Special Limitation: After employing his superhumanly strong "master blow," or performing other highly energetic feats, Black Bolt is weakened to approximately human levels of stamina and durability for a short period."

2. If there is a significant amount of collateral damage, when he is depowered he will leave himself vulnerable.

3. If he screams his head off he will tire out. Flash and MM will just phase through the attack until this moment occurs and one shot him.

Black Bolt isn't going to solo the JLA, that's just silly. He's not going to blow up his battlefield either because if he's floating in space temporarily depowered he'll probably die. He has too much to deal with. Telepathy from MM, Flash being millions of times faster than him and Superman's... well Superman's Superman durability, nuff said there.

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#27 Posted by dondave (34404 posts) - - Show Bio

JLA ftw

#28 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@betatesthighlander1 said:

Black Bolt should take this

his omnidirectional destruction should counter Flash's speed

Doubt it. Flash can vibrate through all sorts of energy attacks. And if we're talking about Pre-Newt-52 JLA, Martian Manhunter can also make himself intangible through energy attacks.

Even New-52 Barry has Femtosecond reaction time, without activating his powers he dodged a bullet that was already fired by an unknown shooter so his attention was already down as well. See here he wasn't using his powers at all and the moment the bullet touched him he was too fast for the bullet.

I didn't know the Flash could do that

can he still hit people when he makes himself intangible to energy

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#30 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

but he can get behind him and kill him. MMH can go intangible and mind rape him or just do the same thing flash could do and get behind him and KO him.

#31 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d:

wouldn't that make fighting Black Bolt difficult?

#32 Posted by SlimJ87D (9325 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d:

wouldn't that make fighting Black Bolt difficult?

Read the post I wrote above with Black Bolt's bio posted.

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#33 Posted by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d:

oh, I guess that makes sense

yeah, league could do this

#34 Posted by NorrinBoltagonPrime21 (5500 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Bolt would take out most of the JLA for his scream being insanely powerful and his state of mind. He could take out MM if he strikes before he goes intangible. The only problem is flash because flash will be able to react fast enough and will vibrate through Black Bolt's attack. Black Bolt would be tired from that attack and will probably never hit flash. JLA wins

#35 Edited by AmericanPatriot (13 posts) - - Show Bio

So, I made an account just to chime in. Here is my 2 cents, BB's scream manipulates electrons, it forcefully rips the electrons from atoms, and as a result the atom supercharges, and explodes, creating a nuclear bomb in essence. This in turn rips the electrons from more atoms, and it keeps going, it is theoretically infinite. It is hard to say if the scream would affect an intangible MM or Flash, can they actively prevent the electrons from being ripped from their atomic structure? Who knows, but lets say it does not affect them. BB can also manipulate matter, now this is another hard point, on one hand, in theory BB could make them tangible again, but how does intangibility work with sub-atomic matter manipulation. I would think it is like an unstoppable force vs immovable object, they technically would ignore each other, so it would depend on the writer (Who had better have a damn good reason BB is insane). Truthfully, if this happened, the galaxy would be destroyed, hard to say if it would be a void, or if reality was torn as well, but lets assume MM and Flash survived, BB would have killed himself in the process, flash would die in the void of space, and MM will mourn the loss of the Galaxy. Or if tangibility doesn't work, they all die. So the JLA wins with tangibility, without touching BB, or Stalemate if Tangibility does not work. (I use tangibility for flash vibrating for ease of typing.)

Also, the tested skrull was proven to be weaker than normal BB, as stated in a What if issue. "What if BB was not a skrull in WWH"

I would also like to clear some things up as well. BB is an incredibly powerful telepath, Xavier had trouble getting in his mind, and BB has not only resisted his powerful brother, but taken over his mind as well. While BB screams, he is immune to telepathy because the speech center of his brain controls his Scream, therefore entering his mind would melt yours, period. As was demonstrated when the Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange tried to enter BB's mind telepathically, while he killed THE SENTRY with his scream. Disintegrating them both.

BB also is not slow, while he is nowhere near flashes speed, he was able to fly and keep up with Nova, and speeds several times the speed of light, and run, catch, and beat Quiksilver in a full sprint.

Because BB kills himself either way, it is a Stalemate or JLA wins with MM living. Just my opinion scientifically speaking (in a comic book, lol)

Thanks,

AP