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#1 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

Will Alu earn yet another familiar or will Toriko make Ozzy Osbourne proud?

#2 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

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#3 Edited by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

as much as i would want toriko to win here, he loses against alucard, pre or post schrodinger. alucard can just regen all the damage he gets from toriko pre schrodinger or simply will himself whole again post schrodinger. damage output wise, toriko still has human like toughness so can still be killed by alucard

#4 Edited by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: he got past 'human' toughness the moment he met tommyrod, literally ate a bomb which blew off inside him and lived in gourmet casino arc.

I see it that alucard can stand here because he is armed with hax

stats wise he is the underdog

#5 Posted by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

Alucard is too hax with his 3 million soul thingy - so no chance for Toriko

#6 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: Three million hits, one for each soul and with 'food honor' it is not that hard.

#7 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@strongarm: as if alucard would really stand still and take all those 3 million fatal hits, not to mention the standard of vampires feeding on blood. toriko would be hard pressed to fight that long

#9 Posted by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: Three million hits, one for each soul and with 'food honor' it is not that hard.

But i doubt that Alucard just stands there and let Toriko hit him. He has phasing, his familiars etc and even with food honor i don´t think that Toriko could land 3 million fatal hits before he gets exhausted.

#10 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: Lol? He can just spam Flying Forks, and he's so much faster than Alucard is...

#11 Posted by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: Lol? He can just spam Flying Forks, and he's so much faster than Alucard is...

He has never done anything near that number so its pure speculation and as i said Alucard won´t be standing there and do nothing. His phasing alone should be enough to avoid a lot of hits.

#12 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: unless those flying forks can follow alucard like his homing leg knife (which only kills alucard once per hit), it's an endurance battle with alucard with a big lead since he has the means to replenish his energy, unlike toriko in the long run.

#13 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: Lol, this is him making them without even trying.

Then how about his leg boomerang? Again, did it without even trying. And it's a homing attack as well:

#14 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: @kyrees: The thing is that Toriko vastly outclasses him in the speed/strength/defense aspect, intangibility is one of the reasons I put alucard up for this since mountain busting/drilling punches are not healthy for a vampire. But alucard is alucard, it is doubtful that his familiars would do much. He can manipulate his utensil projectiles as shown in battle with Gaoh, and spam them for omnidirectional attack as shown in battle with starjun. In terms of stamina there is nothing to worry about.

Something to worry about alucard is that he has only healed so far from a puddle, not much on vaporization.

#15 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: Except he had Food Honor/Food Immersion to help manage himself and nothing Alucard can do will actually hurt him..

#16 Edited by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk said:

@ratava: Lol, this is him making them without even trying.

Then how about his leg boomerang? Again, did it without even trying. And it's a homing attack as well:

1. nowhere near 3 million

2. not every attack would hit him

3. phasing

we can´t just asume that everything toriko does is fatal to Alucard and Alucard just stands there and does nothing.

#17 Edited by XImpossibruX (5171 posts) - - Show Bio

Toriko takes this.

Made a fissure with Leg Boomerang.

Smash large mountains to pieces with attacks that aren’t meant for large scale damage and is stronger than the Mounturtle which smashed apart Ice Hell.

Can throw out thousands of flying forks.

#18 Posted by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

Toriko takes this.

Made a fissure with Leg Boomerang.

Smash large mountains to pieces with attacks that aren’t meant for large scale damage and is stronger than the Mounturtle which smashed apart Ice Hell.

Can throw out thousands of flying forks.

As far as i understand the scale of an attack doesnt matter - one kill equals one soul for Alucard (that´s why i don´t like Alucard in a battle)

but @cadencev2 could clear things up :)

#19 Edited by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@strongarm: would he really get vaporized ? the thing with toriko's attacks is that they are piercing, slashing and breaking types of the massive kind, not something that vaporizes a vast region.

as far as toriko has shown, he only used a homing type on one big attack. it would be safe to assume that it would require him greater calorie consumption to add a homing capability on all of those flying forks and that's assuming alucard merely stands in one spot.

#20 Posted by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees said:

@strongarm: would he really get vaporized ? the thing with toriko's attacks is that they are piercing, slashing and breaking types of the massive kind, not something that vaporizes a vast region.

as far as toriko has shown, he only used a homing type on one big attack. it would be safe to assume that it would require him greater calorie consumption to add a homing capability on all of those flying forks and that's assuming alucard merely stands in one spot.

would he even need a soul to reg from a slicing/piercing attack? he has regenerative abilities of his own or i am mistaken?

#21 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: The anime due to it being a kid's show nerf him significantly, he packs more firepower than military weapons which include laser satellite bombardment. Whereas such weapons did not damage gaoh his attacks did, also he can manipulate his moves to form things like armor and make them bigger. One knife is enough to crater/canyon the ground, a nail punch sticks to you and punches you until it runs out. One such enemy (lye beast) exploded after being punched.

calorie consumption is reduced by food honor, one big attack used on gaoh, but on star fight he can spam a lot. they are homing by the way, plus these are not the pew pew comparable to winkle or dandyman.

#22 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: the part where toriko is invulnerable to alucard is debatable. i don't know much of alucard's strenght but if he can rip apart humans that easily, it stands to show that the toriko can be cut as well. calling @cadencev2 for alucard's upper strenght limits.

#23 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: He's going to rip apart someone with country level+ durability.... and someone who is insanely faster than him...

#24 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava: The mechanism behind his regeneration lies with soul consumption, which is why he is boned against the nail or helena and which is why he is more vulnerable when all his familiars are out. Plus he can only heal when there is 'something' to heal from, even as a puddle (repeated gunshots) or as a pile of organs (plane crash) but never from 'nothing' or vapor.

#25 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio

@ximpossibrux: Lol, Toriko is so much smaller than Gaoh's head >.<

#26 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@strongarm: the lye beast exploded, it didn't get vaporized. there would be chunks of that lye beast. all of toriko's attack have at best sliced or broken apart targets, it didn't vaporized them. the canyon sample would say the it got sliced as well.

calorie consumption is still calorie consumption, no matter how much you reduce it. while they are extremely strong, all it takes is one hit to kill alucard but killing him 3 million times is gonna be an extremely taxing event. sure, alucard would get the first few hits and regenerate from it but alucard can learn from those hits.

#27 Edited by Ratava (3736 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees said:

@strongarm: the lye beast exploded, it didn't get vaporized. there would be chunks of that lye beast. all of toriko's attack have at best sliced or broken apart targets, it didn't vaporized them. the canyon sample would say the it got sliced as well.

calorie consumption is still calorie consumption, no matter how much you reduce it. while they are extremely strong, all it takes is one hit to kill alucard but killing him 3 million times is gonna be an extremely taxing event. sure, alucard would get the first few hits and regenerate from it but alucard can learn from those hits.

that´s what i mean - i never said that alucard would win but i doubt the 3 million fatal hits thing from Toriko.

#28 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: exploded into dusty vapor, if said target is smaller than the area it would disappear Brute, crushing and grinding power. As if he would need to expend himself to use the 'special' moves, in character alucard would let toriko get a few shot in and lose some life in the process. Said attacks are then elevated to intense levels.

also there is this thing called 'routine' that would five alu trouble even in schrodinger, teleporting inside the mind ala zorin would be a trouble too because there is 'that guy' inside

#29 Edited by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: and he has an insane regeneration and other unique abilities that would help him get through most of those hits. it's one hard fight, that i would say.

all of these arguments are pre schrodinger though, can @strongarm specify that it's pre-schrodinger alucard because post schrondinger alucard is way too much for toriko.

#30 Posted by Marshall_Long (1947 posts) - - Show Bio

In other Alucard threads people were saying people like Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo can beat Alucard, by feats Toriko is much above those guys.

#31 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@marshall_long: except ichigo really has the capability to do that because of him being capable of damaging a lot of souls in one swoop.

#32 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: @ratava:

Lets look at Alucards Regen Feats.

Alucard reforms from the blood.

Alucard is hit with Explosives and gunfire. Reforms from the Blood and Shadows!

Alucard crashes face first at Mach 3.4 into a Carrier. Jet Fuels burns so hot it melts steel! Delta Class fire! Alucard Regen allows him to wlatz through it right after crashing into burning paste.

Here is the best part./ Even is Alucard is "Vaporised" he can return in the forms of Bats!

You cannot one shot this guy no matter how big the blast is.

Why is he like this? Well Alucard is explained to have over 3 million souls. Each Soul being a free life for him in terms of Blood. Souls are within the blood and Alucard has so much blood and souls he can respawn. His natural Healing factor is so strong that he can reform via Blood and Shadow. The only way to KO him temporary was Alexander who used Blessed Blades to Stab the Heart and Decapitate the head. Integra hints this only killed Alucard, but not enough to to keep him from returning. Which he did in the form of Bats.

Alucard is remarked how it seems he is Immortal due to the blood and souls he has. He is described as a King with his people in his Keep. Alucard is the King, his people the Souls he has acquired, and the Keep is his Coffin.

As seen in Level Zero, Anderson was killing Alucard with kill shots with his Blessed weapons and powers. Whole swaths of the Soul Army was burning to ash from the result. He was losing vast amount of lives at a time.

However, Alucard showed even down to one life, he can Re Absorb the blood and souls of said blood around him, thus restoring lost life. So even if you pummel him to death 1000 times, he can re absorb the blood of those past deaths to restore his lives.

Here we find out just how many Lives he had in Blood/Souls. Over 3 million. He keeps all of them in his Coffin.

He is very strict on his Coffin. As he should.

As seen he can keep his Coffin safe somewhere and the lives will just come from it if he himself was destroyed totaly like Alexander did with the Blessed Blades.

So the only real way to kill him is through his coffin which houses his free lives and total blood/soul count. If the Coffin is not there to be harmed, Alucard can just keep re spawning. If he feels he is losing to many lives, he can re absorb all the blood he lost to restore lives.

In other Alucard threads people were saying people like Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo can beat Alucard, by feats Toriko is much above those guys.

Those people were also told they cannot beat Alucard except for BFR :/ or flat out no one in those sites like Alucard as much as their favorite Manga. Naruto is slow to Alucard and other than seals :/ Luffy, WTF is Luffy going to do? Nothing. Ichigo can win in CERTAIN forms, even then it is questionable.

So try not to bring that garbage misconception into here :)

#33 Posted by Nelomaxwell (10438 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to read Toriko. This seems awesome.

@cadencev2

You're gonna make me wanna throw up a Yoh Asakura vs Alucard thread.

#34 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nelomaxwell said:

I have to read Toriko. This seems awesome.

@cadencev2

You're gonna make me wanna throw up a Yoh Asakura vs Alucard thread.

No clue who that is lol. Alucard is by no means a Planet wrecker or can fight a Planet Buster in a straight fight. He is extremely High Middle tier though.

#35 Edited by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@nelomaxwell: yoh would win, there was a hao vs alucard thread a long time ago

Destroy him past the vapor

#36 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees: not exactly, I would say that alucard is better of pre schrodinger because of the mechanism of power

#37 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio

@strongarm: do explain this "mechanism of power" since to me, willing himself to exist anywhere anytime is infinitely greater than what alucard has before

#38 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees said:

@strongarm: do explain this "mechanism of power" since to me, willing himself to exist anywhere anytime is infinitely greater than what alucard has before

Alucard IMO is weaker Post Shroedinger. He has true Immortality, so what? He has very little power to destroy after it. Loss of Familiars, Loss of his 3 Million Man Army. He is weaker by all accounts.

#39 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@kyrees said:

@strongarm: do explain this "mechanism of power" since to me, willing himself to exist anywhere anytime is infinitely greater than what alucard has before

Alucard IMO is weaker Post Shroedinger. He has true Immortality, so what? He has very little power to destroy after it. Loss of Familiars, Loss of his 3 Million Man Army. He is weaker by all accounts.

Well it is mentioned by the Major (tubba bubba with the cool speech about how he loves war, who is actually a cyborg) that the cat (schrodinger before getting absorbed) can only 'die' if he does not think or loses his mind in the process. It is used to 'take down' alucard where he slits the throat and 'drowns' in the puddle of blood during the last moments of the decisive battle. All that soul that alucard had to kill just to remain as 'one' after the end of the hellsing series, remaining with one soul.

Make him lose identity, make him lose for good. Not even 'true' immortality, and he lacks the firepower he's had before.

Ultimate Routine is dangerous.

#40 Posted by kyrees (4895 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@kyrees said:

@strongarm: do explain this "mechanism of power" since to me, willing himself to exist anywhere anytime is infinitely greater than what alucard has before

Alucard IMO is weaker Post Shroedinger. He has true Immortality, so what? He has very little power to destroy after it. Loss of Familiars, Loss of his 3 Million Man Army. He is weaker by all accounts.

Well it is mentioned by the Major (tubba bubba with the cool speech about how he loves war, who is actually a cyborg) that the cat (schrodinger before getting absorbed) can only 'die' if he does not think or loses his mind in the process. It is used to 'take down' alucard where he slits the throat and 'drowns' in the puddle of blood during the last moments of the decisive battle. All that soul that alucard had to kill just to remain as 'one' after the end of the hellsing series, remaining with one soul.

Make him lose identity, make him lose for good. Not even 'true' immortality, and he lacks the firepower he's had before.

Ultimate Routine is dangerous.

How would you make him lose his Identity though? He is very much Immune to Mind Powers and Telepathy (As we seen through his speech to Seras to overcome Zortan) as well a master Hypnotist himself with his Vampire Powers.

So he is effectivly Immortal till he wants to die.

anyway he is weaker as Current Version than before Cheshire Cat powers.

#42 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Immune to mind powers? that is a big claim

Ultimate Routine, it is a kind of pseudo reality warp that enhances his attacks greatly. If he can think he can win, he can convince the other guy to lose and the effect will carry over into reality. If he wants someone dead, he needs to have the conviction to win before the battle starts, it can be blocked with those with similar powers (strength has to be at least HST level) or dodge (at least HST speeds). One such character creates an ulcer in his stomach by believing that he had one, and cured it by believing that he had none.

Oh and typo= when I men removing Identity I meant removing ability to think, like catboy in the sea of thoughts.

Is this master hypnotist Incognito from the OVA (dubious of canon), Zorin blitz got beaten by seras after catboy popped in her head.

#43 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Immune to mind powers? that is a big claim

Ultimate Routine, it is a kind of pseudo reality warp that enhances his attacks greatly. If he can think he can win, he can convince the other guy to lose and the effect will carry over into reality. If he wants someone dead, he needs to have the conviction to win before the battle starts, it can be blocked with those with similar powers (strength has to be at least HST level) or dodge (at least HST speeds). One such character creates an ulcer in his stomach by believing that he had one, and cured it by believing that he had none.

Oh and typo= when I men removing Identity I meant removing ability to think, like catboy in the sea of thoughts.

Is this master hypnotist Incognito from the OVA (dubious of canon), Zorin blitz got beaten by seras after catboy popped in her head.

No no no... Incognito is not canon at all. Here is what I mean.

TP Immunity

Before drinking blood, she was not immune to a direct all out mind assault by Zorin.

After she drank Bernadotte's blood, and gain him as a Familiar, she was outright Immune to mind games. His Soul exist within her as does the souls of anyone else she may kill in a blood drink. This like Alucard add their Soul for extra lives and Blood to giver her greater Regeneration.

As seen it had nothing to do with Schroedinger. It failed on Seras the first time thanks to her Mental Resistance being remembered what Alucard told her, and here she was a weak Vampire. As a Full Vampire, her memories were shattered and replace with a mix of hers and Bernadotte's this also in turn being a true Vampire made her immune.

Alucard himself has great Hypnotizing powers.

Scans 1-2, 3, and 4-5.

#44 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Zorin is more of a Great Class illusionist

Intimidation can fend off Hypno well, considering that it can actually be used as a real physical attack (but so far one off, so plenty of speculation here and there)

The only weird thing about Al is that he has never used phasing in combat, and never healed more than a puddle of bloody gore. If he can react and transform into shadow he is safe, but if he is caught beyond puddle then it looks grim for him.

#45 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Zorin is more of a Great Class illusionist

Intimidation can fend off Hypno well, considering that it can actually be used as a real physical attack (but so far one off, so plenty of speculation here and there)

The only weird thing about Al is that he has never used phasing in combat, and never healed more than a puddle of bloody gore. If he can react and transform into shadow he is safe, but if he is caught beyond puddle then it looks grim for him.

I actually showed him resurrecting from Bats. Also i showed why he can ressurect, all his lives are in his Coffin, his Keep. If you cannot reach the Coffin, then your not reching the Keep.

Also how does this Toriko deal with Hypnotism? Or TK that is in the 1000s of ton range?

Also yes, Alucard has never used Intangibility in combat, does he have to? He uses it to travel through walls and floors. He also only has 10 Mangas. Most guys like Ichigo, Torika, DBZ, ect have 18+ Mangas of feats. Why should it be discounted? He has limited showings but he does has it and showed it.

He also shows us he can manipulate Shadows into arms or whatever.

#46 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Bats? unless those thingies are intangible it does not look good, just vape the guy

Intimidation that can attack alucard as well, it works on a wide radius on several beasts and named characters

only one wall occasion when he shows up to pip and seras' meeting through the chalkboard

I won't say ichigo uses the skull glove to remove the soul, even though he has it he has never used it in battles. Same goes with goku wishing an opponent into nonexistence with dragonballs,

for cosmetic or combat purposes?

#47 Posted by ShadowSwordmaster (13612 posts) - - Show Bio

Well I don't know a lot about either of them but I would guess maybe I should read up more on them.

#48 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2:

Bats? unless those thingies are intangible it does not look good, just vape the guy

Intimidation that can attack alucard as well, it works on a wide radius on several beasts and named characters

only one wall occasion when he shows up to pip and seras' meeting through the chalkboard

I won't say ichigo uses the skull glove to remove the soul, even though he has it he has never used it in battles. Same goes with goku wishing an opponent into nonexistence with dragonballs,

for cosmetic or combat purposes?

I do no as long Alucard has Shadows and Blood, he ca hide anywhere till forming.

#49 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Shadows, no problem but blood will be a liability

#50 Posted by Strongarm (5857 posts) - - Show Bio