Alucard VS Superman

Attomized would reduce you to mere atoms. Literally, his regeneration was never shown to be beyond that. Just like Buu.

Also, Superman can become intangible as well ( http://i.imgur.com/iivvmdv.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/VvImL14.jpg)

Also, how can Alucard catch him off guard if Alucard is just hypersonic.

Like I said that's irrelevant because Alucard's regeneration doesn't work the way you think. And Buu has been atomized before. Gotenks turned him into a pile of ashes, disintegrated the ashes with his Ki, and dissolved the smoke. Buu still came back from that no problem.

And Superman can only phase through objects. That wouldn't help him against Alucard.

Alucard can catch him off guard the same way he catches everyone off guard. Superman would punch him and blow him to bits, and stop thinking he killed Alucard. Then Alucard would show his true form and cover the surround the entire area with his shadows, and devour Superman's soul using Baskerville.

I'm thinking stalemate.

Alucard should win here.

Stale

Mate.

Str8 to the sun

LOL wow....

NEW 52 SUPERMAN!! which of these words don't you understand?

Alucard said he disliked Sunlight, he throw off the rumors about him being weak to sunlight.

@pope052:

I'afraid,In New52, Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad and Cosmic Boy alredy said that Superman is moving at faster than lightning speed.

It prove that Your statement is wrong.

That travel speed not combat speed.

I never understood the concept of characters suddenly not being able to use a certain power because they're in combat.

Seriously, would Superman just go, "Oh no! Someone's shooting in my general direction! I suddenly can't move at FTL speeds!"

Anyway, this battle could go so many different ways it's not even funny. However, due to Alucard's supernatural nature he should come out with the majority, even despite Clark's speed.

Take Al by the collar, then sundip for both of them. Lets see how long three million souls will last in the nuclear furnace.

Moving,not travelling.

When fighting alongside Lightning Man, Superman can attack his enemy before Lightning lad can. and Lightning lad said that Superman is faster than lightning. This means that Superman is faster than lightning in combat.

And, Don't you know that New52 Superman has resisted and defeated many magical being who will be far stronger than Alucard. His vulnerablity to Magic doesn't mean that magical being can oneshot Superman.Superman has resisted and defeated it.

alucard can resist sunlight.....

but then again you been spewing the same thing over and over again. So i am pretty sure you are just a Tr%ll.

Yeah, because Superman flying his opponent off into the sun is something that happens all the time, right?

Don't feed please :(

@jestersmiles: @theamazingyolo: he's done it before, remember that In fights 'plot' shields don't count.

@rulerofthevine:

He didn't catch the bullets, he removed them from that gun.

The only implication was that he caught the bullets, but even so removing the bullets from their chamber at an invisible speed is still a hyper sonic (invisible to the eye, that is) movement feat.

No after image, and after images aren't a quantifiable speed feat... at all.

If you'd have looked closer, you'll notice a partial after-image left after Alucard takes off.

Nothing supersonic in that, let alone massively hypersonic.

Yes there is, performing a move that exceeds the speed of the eye (which is roughly on par with Mach 5 or slightly below) is basic hyper sonic speed. Also, when I said he's 'massively hyper sonic' I label that based on the average of his feats - not just the individual ones.

Putting your arms in a cross guard doesn't take massively hypersonic speed or even sonic speed.

Way to ignore what actually happened, he put his arms in a cross guard and then blocked every single one of the UZI's bullets from the spray that was aimed towards him. Obviously it'd require Alucard to be exceedingly super sonic at the very least by being able to block that amount of bullets - effortlessly.

There is nothing hypersonic about anderson

Clearly you didn't click the link then, Seras wasn't capable of perceiving Anderson's movements.

mach 3.2 has nothing to do with that bullet's speed and again jaw speed isn't combat or movement speed.

The 'Mach 3.2' statement was describing the speed that the jets were going at, and Van Winkle's bullet was eviscerating every one of them whilst casually surpassing their speed. Alucard then caught the bullet between his feat with laughable ease, and is an excellent gauging of Alucard's reaction speed.

There is nothing hypersonic about Alucard, in fact he doesn't even have any bullet timing feats and often gets shot full of holes.

In your narrow minded bias maybe, but in actuality he has consistent feats of treating super/hyper sonic characters with ease in battle whenever he decides to utilize his combat speed. The only reason why he gets riddled by bullets often is because he lets them hit him since he'll just regenerate, otherwise in any scenario against a formidable opponent he can and has used his speed consistently.

Magnificent counter... oh wait.

@pope052 said:

@rulerofthevine:

The only implication was that he caught the bullets, but even so removing the bullets from their chamber at an invisible speed is still a hyper sonic (invisible to the eye, that is) movement feat.

No not at all. You see this :

That's the mark left by him hitting the magazine tube back n it's place:

Proof that he just emptied the gun. Anagin, blur speed isn't even sonic speed.

If you'd have looked closer, you'll notice a partial after-image left after Alucard takes off.

I don't see any after images, and again, after images are a trope not a quantifiable speed feat.

Yes there is, performing a move that exceeds the speed of the eye (which is roughly on par with Mach 5 or slightly below) is basic hyper sonic speed. Also, when I said he's 'massively hyper sonic' I label that based on the average of his feats - not just the individual ones.

Faster than the eye can see speeds is below mach 1 depending on the size of the object and distance...

Way to ignore what actually happened, he put his arms in a cross guard and then blocked every single one of the UZI's bullets from the spray that was aimed towards him. Obviously it'd require Alucard to be exceedingly super sonic at the very least by being able to block that amount of bullets - effortlessly.

There is literally nothing hypersonic about using a cross guard... even less when he could have done it before the bullets were even fired. And he didn't even react to each bullet individually, most of the bullets hit the wall while Alucard merely protected his heart.

Clearly you didn't click the link then, Seras wasn't capable of perceiving Anderson's movements.

I did and Ok so ?

The 'Mach 3.2' statement was describing the speed that the jets were going at, and Van Winkle's bullet was eviscerating every one of them whilst casually surpassing their speed. Alucard then caught the bullet between his feat with laughable ease, and is an excellent gauging of Alucard's reaction speed.

No mach 3.2 is the max speed at which the jet Alucard was using can move at, not the rest of the helicopters. And yet again, jaw speed isn't combat speed.

In your narrow minded bias maybe, but in actuality he has consistent feats of treating super/hyper sonic characters with ease in battle whenever he decides to utilize his combat speed. The only reason why he gets riddled by bullets often is because he lets them hit him since he'll just regenerate, otherwise in any scenario against a formidable opponent he can and has used his speed consistently.

Pfff insults now ? I thought you were above that, but I guess all Alucard fans tend to overwank him so... And I go by what is shown and as shown multiple times throughout the series Alucard is nowhere near hypersonic.

I've already disproven that you need a scan of FTL combat to actually know when they have FTL reactions. You're the one that keeps thinking the only way to know if a person has FTL combat speed is by seeing them in combat, despite the fact that it is nearly impossible to tell at what speed is a person fighting in.

Flying, as in moving the entire body, isn't the same as propelling. Making such a jouney with his own Super Speed is one of the most impressive reaction feats one could make.

Also, since none of you are actually giving Alucard some definitive stats on how fast he is, I think that is up to me.

http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=24430

This is a calc of Rip Van Winkles Bullets speed, wich is Mach 33 in a low end and Mach 109 as a high-end.

Alucard caught these with his mouth.

He's Hypersonic+

@rulerofthevine although I don't concede to anything I respect points, but lack the interest to continue debating the particular topic on speed.

@fsiekscma: New 52 isn't the version that's specified, so we can't automatically attribute this speed to Superman in this particular battle. Also, I guess I will just overlook the fact that you abandoned Superman's self-proclaimed resistance to any attack method I listed for Alucard.

@fsiekscma: Lightning is not light. *facepalm* I thought even village idiots would know that.

Even if Superman was faster than Alucard, that wouldn't mean jack. He can speed blitz him all he wants, he's not killing Alucard. The only way to kill him is by using holy weapons. Otherwise he could just regenerate. And no being atomized doesn't matter. Alucard's regeneration doesn't work the way you think it does. He doesn't just bring himself back together like Wolverine. Either bats come from nowhere in reform him, or blood comes out of the coffin and reforms him. And Superman wouldn't even be able to touch Alucard's true form.

http://i.imgur.com/n1jBdPO.jpg <------ This is what you're refering to? A Impressive reaction feat that demonstrates FTL reactions?

I want to prove a point here, please, somebody give me the text book definition of what is the word "reaction".

"Yes an impressive reaction feat, as if that's all that's needed for fighting!! are you seriously telling me that him accelerating FTL is the same as him actually moving one of his limbs FTL. Read that again- he flies FTL and you showed he has thee actions but can move his limbs FTL accelrating a short distance??? Please answer that because this is ridiculous."

This theory only works if he can't move while flying. He has flown and moved his limbs. It's as relevant as dodging in terms of reactions, because to fly at a certain destinations, you neem thousands and thousands of logged points of refernce. Here is a science fact, to keep a proper trajectory, while driving, you need ATLEAST 1/100000th of the car's speed(And that is without doing any maneuvers such as curving or so forth. For space travel -as I said- you need constant logged points of referance, that is what Green Lantern rings do, Superman does it by his OWN SPEED and PERCEPTIONS.

I'm going to post this here one more time.

"If you make even a single miscalculation of direction, for a nano-second during a mass haul space-travel with no beacon, or travel log computer, you'll hit thousands of light years away from where you're supposed to be, and hopelessly lost, as a best case scenario There's no greater reaction speed feat than to be able to do such a journey by your own power"

If op does not state a version, rules indicate that we use current version.

Who said that it is FTL speed? Lightning speed is far faster than Alucard. Superman blitz and take alucard to the Sun, end.

@pope052:

As I said, Superman has resisted many mental attack, magic,curse,telekinesis,etc that is stronger than Alucard's in New 52 too.Your satement doesn't mean that Alucard can oneshot Superman.

@fsiekscma:

As I said, Superman has resisted many mental attack, magic,curse,telekinesis,etc that is stronger than Alucard's in New 52 too.Your satement doesn't mean that Alucard can oneshot Superman.

You said that he has, but you didn't indicate what exact feats he has of doing so - nor how they're any stronger than Alucard's powers.

And again, that's the Straw Man, I never said Alucard could one shot Superman but he beats him certainly.

Alucard would just reform back on Earth. An I don't see what blitzing him will do. He can just regenerate. The only way to destroy one of his souls is with holy weapons or soul busting attacks.

@pope052:

For example, in Action Comics 23, He has resisted cosmic blast from the planetary magical monster.

In Phantom stranger, Superman has resisted Soul attack from the Sin Eater.

In Justice league 33?, Superman has resisted Gorilla Grodd's telepathy.

There is more feat.

@fsiekscma:

For example, in Action Comics 23, He has resisted cosmic blast from the planetary magical monster.

Decent, but Alucard doesn't pack energy blasts in his arsenal.

Can you post scans for the rest? But if they're true, telekinesis and intangible attacks are still open options.

Sorry, I can't upload them, but, if you want to know about Superman's resistanece feat, go to Superman respect thread.

I don't know all about Superman 's resistance feat, but, In justice league 14,Superman has endured cheetah's curse bite that kill human in a blink of an eye. Superman can withstand any attack that Alucard has.

And,without Death river, Alucard's skill is ordinary Vampire's like shapeshifting, charm eye, become mist,power,regeneration.Alucard doesn't have telekinesis.Alucard's speed is only hypersonic reaction speed, He can't react to Superman's speedblitz.

So,Superman moves at faster than lightning speed, speedblitz Alucard, take him to the Sun at ftl speed, Alucard can't even react to them.

He resisted blake's telepathy by emptying his mind in AC 12. Blake's tp looked similar to alucard's, he essentially controlled people to a zombie like trance..

@princearagorn1: Alucard has mind wiped people to an extent on the spot basically, and zombified a soldier into turning on his own squad by keeping an elevator door open.

Does Superman have any defense to telekinesis/magic/intangible attacks though?

@pope052:

As I said, Superman has resisted many magic attack. and Alucard doesn't have telekinesis and can't react to Superman

@fsiekscma:

Alucard does have telekinesis, he used it to move an entire freight ship and used it to impale eight soldiers on flag poles. And Alucard is faster in battle than Superman is, so he can certainly react to and tag him with basically any/all of his attack arsenal should he choose to.

Besides, even if he couldn't react to Superman, how is Clark even meant to effectively harm him?

@pope052:

I'm afraid, it is not telekinesis, Alucard shapeshifts his body to darkness, and moved freight ship like he did in fighting with rip van winkle .

As I said, Superman is faster than lightnig, Lightning Lad said that Superman is faster than lightning in Action comic.It is combat speed not travel speed. Superman is far faster than Alucard in fighting.

So, Superman blitz Alucard, take him to the Sun at FTL speed, end.

Is Superman man counted as a man? Apparently only a "man" can kill Alucard. I mean, it's not like Superman is a "monster." If Superman is just counted as a regular man, he kills Alucard horribly. If not, stalemate, because it's not like Alucard is touching him anytime soon.

Does the sun have holy water on it?

@milliardo:

As I said, for Alucard, it is only opponent's decision and strength of will whether opponent is human or not.Superman thinks that He is human and has one of strongest willpower in DC universe, so I think that Superman is human for Alucard.

@watertaco:

Alucard can resist sun light, but it damages him, so if he is near the sun…

Sorry, I had some time away from the internet for a while.

Anyway, ARE you REALLY telling me that the only way to determine "Combat Speed" is not to look for his reactions or perceptions, but just him punching a person at that speed?

I'm afraid you're deluded.

http://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2m4ov3/meta_the_nature_of_speed/

You're deluded. You really are.

The best way for someone to to gauge someones speed had always been when someone has either caught or dodged bullets. Yet, with you're argument here is that his "combat speed" can only be gauged in combat ONLY. Which is delusion here. You say you go by feats, but that isn't true. You go by hand picked feats.

I'm sorry my arguments have been nothing but weird words to you. It seems I've been talking to a brick wall.