Altair vs. Ezio (Assassins Creed battle)

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#1  Edited By thedeman87

Both are ordered to assassinate each other.  Who wins? 
  

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#2  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

What weapons do they have? What is the location?
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Ezio is more capable in-game, but most of the advancements came from Altair's journals, so that leads me to think that Altair had mastered all of those things himself after the timeframe of the first game. 
 
I like Altair better, personally.
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#4  Edited By JackAs

The first one would be completely caught off guard by a hurtling blade.

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#5  Edited By Jax

it depends.....I doubt either one could sneak up on the other but that doesn't mean they couldn't take each other out from long range.

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#6  Edited By ComicStooge

 

Ezio would win...

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Don't you have any larger type-face? 
 
Write it bigger! I mean, way way, WAY bigger. It sounds more truth-y that way.
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#8  Edited By Jax

The developers have said that Ezio is better at the height of his skills but Altair pretty much created all of Ezio's stuff so idk.

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#9  Edited By Sparda

I'm sort of thinking Ezio. The difference in technology is pretty big (IE: Ezio has a gun).

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#10  Edited By Son_of_Magnus

Ezio shoots Altair

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#11  Edited By thedeman87

Yeah I was thinking about Ezio's gun afterward.  He does have better weaponry. 
 
Okay for weapons let's just say they both have throwing knives, a sword, and the hidden blades (Altair one, Ezio has two) 
 
And location...hmm..a place where neither know there way around.  Um...Germany? lol

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#12  Edited By Mattersuit

Ezio has better technology, but I think Altair is more stealthy, better strategist and fighter.

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#13  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@thedeman87 said:
"Yeah I was thinking about Ezio's gun afterward.  He does have better weaponry.  Okay for weapons let's just say they both have throwing knives, a sword, and the hidden blades (Altair one, Ezio has two)  And location...hmm..a place where neither know there way around.  Um...Germany? lol "

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I personally prefer Ezio(and was much better at playing the character) but I think Altair would win.

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#15  Edited By Dark_Slayor

With both of them at the height of their skills, Altair would rip Ezio a new one.

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#16  Edited By Ferro Vida

If it was a straight up fight then I would say Ezio takes it without much trouble. I would also say that if he had access to the majority of his equipment (even excluding the gun), Ezio would win. With the the equipment they have, though, I'm leaning slightly towards Altair.

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#17  Edited By thedeman87
@Ferro Vida said:
" If it was a straight up fight then I would say Ezio takes it without much trouble. I would also say that if he had access to the majority of his equipment (even excluding the gun), Ezio would win. With the the equipment they have, though, I'm leaning slightly towards Altair. "
Really?  That's interesting.  I'm curious as to why? 
 
IMO, Ezio has shown to be more disciplined with a higher variety of weapons.  And both are masters with the hidden blades but Ezio got two.   
 
I honestly can't say since I haven't gotten far in AC1 before I got bored but AC2 is still spinning in my PS3 I love it so much more.   Atleast the way I'm playing I use mostly a sword so for you to say the weapons I gave him kind of puts him at a disadvantage definitely peaks my curiousity.
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#18  Edited By Ferro Vida
@thedeman87: Well, Altair was trained pretty much from birth, and had mastered all of the techinques that Ezio spent the game learning. He was regarded by everyone in his own time as the greatest assassin, and was still revered in Ezio's time for his skill and legacy.
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#19  Edited By thedeman87
@Ferro Vida said:
" @thedeman87: Well, Altair was trained pretty much from birth, and had mastered all of the techinques that Ezio spent the game learning. He was regarded by everyone in his own time as the greatest assassin, and was still revered in Ezio's time for his skill and legacy. "
That's a very good argument.  lol.
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#20  Edited By Ferro Vida
@thedeman87: Thank ya very much
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#21  Edited By Red_Blade

Ezio, he has superior weaponry and more advance training considering hes several centuries ahead of Altair

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#22  Edited By SwaggaB0y
@Red_Blade said:
" Ezio, he has superior weaponry and more advance training considering hes several centuries ahead of Altair "
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#23  Edited By Hellos

What those two above me said.

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#24  Edited By comicbookguy

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its already been stated that both of them only have sword, knifes, hidden blade


 

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#25  Edited By MisterGuyMan

Altair without a doubt wins this.  He's a Master Assassin.  He literally wrote the book on the art of killing-- the same book that Ezio learned his craft by the way.  His best weapons and armor come directly from Altair who created it himself.  Altair destroyed his targets ruthlessly, mechanically and never came close to losing control of any situation he found himself in.  Even when he found himself in a trap he handily reached his target, had her at his mercy and let her go.  Ezio needed several Assassin to protect the apple and even let Rodrigo get away even when he wanted him dead.   From the recent DLC Ezio was also punked by one of the brothers in Forli.  He was stabbed and left for dead.
 
Ezio needed decades to finish his work.  Altair, by the same time, was already a master assassin refining killing techniques and invented what Ezio would use hundreds of years later.  He needed a few months to kill everyone.
 
Also compare their final battles.  Altair fought his way through two alerted armies.  He then killed over a dozen Templars in a single fight including Robert de Sable.  He also defeats his master who was wielding a Piece of Eden through sheer force of will.  Ezio by comparison sneaks into the Sistine chapel and stabs Rodrigo Borgia.  Even before they fight, Ezio gets what could have be a lethal blow in.   He also has at his disposal the considerable power of the Apple and can make copies of himself.  Ezio in full combat gear, fully expecting battle, wielding an epic artifact, loses to a guy in priestly garb that already had a significant knife wound.  Once Ezio lost his PoE, he lost handily.

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Ezio would own Altair
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#27  Edited By MisterGuyMan

Let me point this out so it's clear.  All of Ezio's weapons and techniques are all derived from Altair.  Altair created Ezio's best armor and weapon.  He wrote the book that Ezio learned all his advanced killing techniques.  Even Ezio's other improved items are from Altair's codex pages.  The double hidden blade, the reinfoced killing blade that can block weapons, poisoned blade, gun and smoke bombs are were all invented by Altair. 
 
If anything Altair would have the advantage since he created all of them.

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#28  Edited By hemahemahema

Ezio gets in to Germany, first thing he does is throw away the sword and dagger 
 
Altair: wtf man, u want to fight me empty handed?  
attacks with sword 
Ezio disarms him, sheaths the sword

Altair:    how...how the fuck did u do tat? 
attacks with dagger  
Ezio disarms him, sheaths the dagger    
 
Altair switches to hidden blade: okay, brat, lets see how u can steal this blade 
Ezio jumps out of Altair's range with quick step, then throws sand at him 
Altair:    ah, my eyes, my eyes! 
Ezio switchs to hidden blade and assassinates Altair...........  
 
in a chase: 
Altair: damn, i'll never make that jump 
Ezio: bye-bye 
Uses the time gap to throw knives at Altair
 
none of the above techniques (unique to ACII) Ezio used are known to be connected to Altair in any way 
 
OR 
 
Ezio runs to a river and jumps in 
Altair:    wait, i remember there was this bug in the animus.... 
Ezio ledge assassinates Altair

Look, i like them both, why do we have to make them fight?  
And how would they meet?
And why would they fight?  
We made them fight for our own amusement. 
We are evil.
We don't deserve to live.
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#29  Edited By daak1212

When it comes to assasinations and prep it goes to Altiar.  Combat and tech goes to Ezio.
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#30  Edited By comicninjax

altair after playing revealations

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#31  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

Ezio after playing Revelations.

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#32  Edited By WildValentine

I've always liked Ezio more. He seemed to have far more personality. As for who wins, I'll sit on the fence for now.

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#33  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@WildValentine said:

I've always liked Ezio more. He seemed to have far more personality. As for who wins, I'll sit on the fence for now.

I've always liked Ezio more too. Charisma points go to him. As for the thread, I'd like to know why you sit on the fence about it?

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#34  Edited By WildValentine
@god_spawn: I haven't played Revelations yet (to my eternal anguish), so I wouldn't be able to fairly judge. Right now, I'm leaning towards Ezio due to the fact that he's never really been bested in combat.
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#35  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@WildValentine: Do you want me to fill you in on then why Ezio would still win from the events of Revelations? Or do you not want to risk any spoilers?

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#36  Edited By WildValentine
@god_spawn: If you can do it without spoilers, that would be preferable. 
 
Well, here's an easy way for you. Would old man Ezio beat Altair?
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#37  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@WildValentine: I wasn't going to really spoil anything.

And to answer your question I was going to answer it the same way I planned on. Yes. Old Man Ezio was still able to hang with more advanced tech assassins despite being near 50 and them being half his age. Old Man Ezio gets bombs and a special hidden blade that becomes standard for that era. Altair I believe didn't get the double blades til he was much older and he didn't get a gun til he was practically an old man, much older than Ezio.

Ezio is still able to move like this. It's just the opening cinematic

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#38  Edited By Strider1992

Leaning towards Altair. He was trained since birth where as Ezio was about 20 when he became an assassin so Altair has A LOT more experience. Altair became the grand master at something like 29 where as Ezio was a lot older. When you play Ezio you do not desynchronize if you miss killing a target where as if your Altair you do, thus the Animus is inferring Altair never missed a kill so i'm guessing he's probably superior.

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#39  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@Strider92: You put them both in their prime Ezio beats him. Game mechanics about missing a kill has nothing to do with it. Putting base Ezio against base Altair I would agree, but prime or even old man Ezio showed he is a skilled fighter not too far off from Altair if at all and he has a huge armament advantage vs. Altair's basic equipment of knives, hidden blade.

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#40  Edited By Strider1992

@god_spawn: Op states they both have Knives, Sword and Hidden blades, weapons Altair grew up using. I think he can win this.

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#41  Edited By god_spawn  Moderator

@Strider92: Didn't catch that he put it down a few posts after the first post. I'd agree under these conditions AC2-ACB Ezio would lose, . ACR Ezio honestly impressed me more than Altair has so I'd take him then with this set up.

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#42  Edited By jeanroygrant

@ComicStooge said:

Ezio would win...

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#43  Edited By SpidermanWins

Altair...

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#44  Edited By team_wade101

Altairs just more trained and more experienced and would assassinate ezio with ease.

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@thedeman87: People think that because Altair designed most of Ezio's weapons he wins. Fact is Altair's only practical experience with one of his designs was the hidden gun when he killed Abbas. He only used it once while Ezio has been using it for years. Altair wasn't trained from birth he started training at 9 or 10 and reached his prime by 26. Ezio started training at 17 until he was in his late 40's resulting in Ezio being trained more AND being a better fighter. He is also better at free running/parkour. If Ezio has all of his equipment he easily beats Altair. A sword and hidden blade ? Maybe Altair but I still put money on Ezio.

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#46  Edited By XLR87T3

Altair wins. He's better at combat than Ezio.

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Altair.

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#48  Edited By KingKai10

It's not about which game you liked the best, it's about the characters. Altair is the greatest, so Altair would win.

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#49 rogueshadow  Moderator

Altair is the true assassin, the legend of the Order I'd have to go with him,