Allen the Alien (Invincible) vs. The Martian Manhunter

They're both aliens and are very powerful. Allen is just as strong as, or maybe stronger than, Invincible's father Omni-Man, due to the fact that he becomes stronger after healing from near death. Martian Manhunter isn't as powerful as Superman, but is still quite strong. Think it through carefully and post your opinion please.

MM for the win.
MM has physical abilities aproaching those of Superman. Allen has not shown feats to show he is anywhere near this level - particularly his strength and speed.
Although Allen has shown some telepathic ability, again his abilities appear to be nowhere near the level of MM's psychic abilities i.e. scanning the earth for a single mind.
MM also has displayed powers than Allen has no counter for (or has anything like) - like MM's ability to turn invisible, turn intangible or shapechange.

allen will eventually win he can not die and will keep coming back stronger and stronger until he over powers the martian.

bump

Ive only read issues 1-20 so far.. Love the comics. I think between the two of them MM could put him down. He has more abilities on his end. Though not a stomp

...martian tp's him.

I like Invincible a trillion times better than I do mainstream Marvel and DC (except for Sandman and a Charles Soule's Vader run, oh, and Darth Maul comics) but this is a mismatch. Allen has no answer to J'onn's intangibility and telepathy. Allen never faced anyone who could mind control everyone on Earth at the same time.

What’s Allen’s answer for intangibility?

What's Allen's answer to telepathy, shape shifting, Martian Vision, and most important of all, superior physicals?

@tifalockhart: None. I read all of his appearances (he didn't appear outside of "Invincible").

Invincible is still infinitely better than lamestream corporate comics, like JLA, though :p

Gonna pretend I didn’t see this thread

If Omni-Man is quasi superman level (I believe this is what you argued) couldn't this be a fair fight if you equalize speed and take away J'onn's intangibility and telepathy?

@pedrolopesmateus: that’s a lot of powers taken away even tho he has em for this thread.

Also MM only has like one MFTL speed feat, not rlly impressive so I’d say Allen could be faster

All in all MM wins

@akz: A random White Martian punched Superman before he could react even though Clark saw him coming from 320 kms away. J'onn blitzed White Martians at least a few times IIRC. I recall J'onn also blitzing Kyle Rayner who once reacted to a ship moving 7 times faster than light.

@pedrolopesmateus: MFTL is at least 100x SoL

u know some1 who can go 8xFTL can blitz some1 who is 7xFTL, 8FTL-7FTL may not sound like a big speed gap but it is, it’s massive.

Well, does Allen have any feat to suggest he has light speed reactions? I don't think MMH is MFTL, but that doesn't mean he isn't much faster than Allen, from what I remember (and I binged Invincible less than a month ago, so his feats are fresh in my mind).

@pedrolopesmateus: matching viltrumites constantly in combat ig

Most is scaling so there u go

Tech Jacket did the same thing, is he LS? I didn't read his solo series.

@pedrolopesmateus: flight speed from alien tech can reach SoL, not combat and time dilation perception tho.

Also, tech jacket was just in the background trying to hurt injured viltrumites.

Allen constantly fights many viltrumites.

The Manhunter wins, he has more powers to work with and seems to be stronger and faster

J'onn

Allen loses.