Alex Mercer vs. Wolverine - Battles

#1 Edited by fallen reptile (223 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

#2 Posted by rightprice (330 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

I think this has been done before.

Hacking and slashing, and crushing wouldn't really do much to either of them. So I think it is really a question of if Mercer consumes Wolverine what would be the effect?

If Mercer consumes Wolverine then, since Mercer is pretty much all virus, what would happen when he duplicates and incorporates Wolverine's X-gene and starts expressing that healing factor?  Would Mercer's new healing factor augment his own regenerative abilities or would it attack him? If it did attack him I'd imagine Mercer would be left in constant agonizing pain (like Wolverine with a symbiote bound to him), with his original healing ability battling it out with the new healing factor, or maybe the healing factor kills him, overcoming his own healing ability and destroying him from the inside out.

#3 Posted by Knox (474 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

A tough fight indeed, I don't see them doing any lasting damage to each other

#4 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

wolverine has this. it won't be easy though. anyone who says other could be crazy bc that's saying mercer can beat the hulk.

#5 Posted by k4tzm4n (30921 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Mercer has this....his variety of powers and ability to withstand damage are far too great for Wolverine to overcome.

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#6 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Mercer overkill

Wolverine cant even hurt him

@Lance Bastro said:

" wolverine has this. it won't be easy though. anyone who says other could be crazy bc that's saying mercer can beat the hulk. "

1) Wolverine lasting more than 10 seconds against Hulk = PIS
2) Mercer can heal from anything Wolverine can do to him in a few seconds,also he is much faster,agile,smarter and skilled than the Hulk

#7 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@rightprice said:

" I think this has been done before. Hacking and slashing, and crushing wouldn't really do much to either of them. So I think it is really a question of if Mercer consumes Wolverine what would be the effect? If Mercer consumes Wolverine then, since Mercer is pretty much all virus, what would happen when he duplicates and incorporates Wolverine's X-gene and starts expressing that healing factor? Would Mercer's new healing factor augment his own regenerative abilities or would it attack him? If it did attack him I'd imagine Mercer would be left in constant agonizing pain (like Wolverine with a symbiote bound to him), with his original healing ability battling it out with the new healing factor, or maybe the healing factor kills him, overcoming his own healing ability and destroying him from the inside out. "

good point. if he does aborb wolverine it would end up killing him bc of two factors.. the poisonus adamtium and the x-gene.

#8 Posted by k4tzm4n (30921 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

How does slashing and stabbing do "nothing" to Wolverine? Last time I checked, Sabretooth does rather well. . .

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#9 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n:
not to mention how crushing and smash do ``nothing`` to Wolverine either

anyway,absorbing Logan would make Mercer stronger,he isnt a human infected by a virus,he IS the virus,he isnt a living creature that is sick,the healing factor wont attack Mercer because there is nothing to be attacked

#10 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

some people are over rating mercer. he's similar to carnage/venom.

venom is a 20 tonner
carnage is a 30 tonner

and wolverine fights these guys just for fun.

#11 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro:
he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman

Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too
Mercer is stronger than then btw

#12 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "

stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage..

#13 Posted by k4tzm4n (30921 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

"some people are over rating mercer. he's similar to carnage/venom. venom is a 20 tonner carnage is a 30 tonner and wolverine fights these guys just for fun. "

You're wrong...Wolverine can't beat EITHER of them. Plus, you're stereotyping based on his appearance.

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#14 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:
" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage.. "

Mercer can lift more than Carnage and Venom,IMO
and theres no maybe here,Mercer recovered from a nuclear blast,his healing outclasses Carnage,Venom and Wolverine`s

#15 Edited by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Wolvie got beaten by far less powerful people than Mercer. Mercer will destroy him!

#16 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

" @Lance Bastro said:

"some people are over rating mercer. he's similar to carnage/venom. venom is a 20 tonner carnage is a 30 tonner and wolverine fights these guys just for fun. "
You're wrong...Wolverine can't beat EITHER of them. Plus, you're stereotyping based on his appearance. "

i played the game and even beat it, but it's not just that. the symboites absorb things in them as well. they can be stealth and transform like mercer can. you can cut up venom in half or into tiny pieces and he forms back. carnage can shape his symboite into weapons shields and armor as hard as steel. they can possess a body of someone by using the symboite. they can alter their sizes. they can stetch their symboite up to 30 feet or more. they are impervious to diseases and viruses.

their only real weaknesses are high frequency sounds and fire.

the only real advantage compared to the two are that, mercer probably jumps 5 times higher than these two.

#17 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro:
1) it isnt the same thing,Mercer can become any person he wants,Venom/Carnage just change back to human and sometimes become invisible but thats it
2) Venom cant survive getting cut up in half,what are you talking about?
3) Mercer can freely change his shape
4) but in order to do that,they have to remove the simbiont wich then posses someone else,Mercer absorbs peopple and get their appearance/skills
5) they cant,the reason their sizes change is because of the artist
6) not even going to bother with this one
7) and?
8) Mercer isnt weak against sounds or fire

now for the differences
1) Mercer is a virus,Venom and Carnage are simbionts from outerspace
2) Mercer absorbs peopple,Carnage and Venom use peopple as hosts
3) Mercer can change his whole body
4) Alex isnt a crazy muderer machine,the reason he kills innocents is the player`s influence
5) Alex couldnt remember about his past,Carnage and Venom never had this problem
6) Alex is a hero,Carnage and Venom arent
7) Mercer can use his powers to make himself stronger,faster,more durable
8) Mercer isnt a terrible hand-to-hand fighter

#18 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide:
Nice list.....

#19 Posted by rightprice (330 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage.. "

Mercer can effortlessly lift a 60 ton tank, sprint a few city blocks or even a few miles, run up the side of a skyscraper, jump a couple of hundred feet from to another rooftop, and then throw it a few city blocks to hit some specific person he wants to kill, and all in the span of like 10 to 15 seconds.

Can Venom or Carnage do that.

#20 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@spidey 15:
thank you,unless you are being sarcastic ^_^

#21 Posted by GT-Man (4054 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "

@Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "

dude

#22 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

spite

#23 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide:
Of course not. I agree with everything you write!=]

#24 Posted by GT-Man (4054 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

i dont think venom can beat wolverine

#25 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@GT-Man said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "

@Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
dude "

what?

@spidey 15:
alright then,the ``.....`` at the end of your post confused me

@GT-Man said:

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i dont think venom can beat wolverine
"

search the Venom vs Wolverine threads,it gives plenty reasons as to why Wolverine shouldnt beat him

#26 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@GT-Man said:

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i dont think venom can beat wolverine
"

venom will rape him

#27 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide:
You know it is not something important, i just like to leave some"......." at the end of my post......=]

#28 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

" @GT-Man said:

"
i dont think venom can beat wolverine
"
venom will rape him "

Venom is gay?! O_o

IMPOSSIBLE!!!

@spidey 15:
alright then

#29 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@rightprice said:

"
@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage.. "

Mercer can effortlessly lift a 60 ton tank, sprint a few city blocks or even a few miles, run up the side of a skyscraper, jump a couple of hundred feet from to another rooftop, and then throw it a few city blocks to hit some specific person he wants to kill, and all in the span of like 10 to 15 seconds.

Can Venom or Carnage do that.
"

#30 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: 1) it isnt the same thing,Mercer can become any person he wants,Venom/Carnage just change back to human and sometimes become invisible but thats it 2) Venom cant survive getting cut up in half,what are you talking about? 3) Mercer can freely change his shape 4) but in order to do that,they have to remove the simbiont wich then posses someone else,Mercer absorbs peopple and get their appearance/skills 5) they cant,the reason their sizes change is because of the artist 6) not even going to bother with this one 7) and? 8) Mercer isnt weak against sounds or fire now for the differences 1) Mercer is a virus,Venom and Carnage are simbionts from outerspace 2) Mercer absorbs peopple,Carnage and Venom use peopple as hosts 3) Mercer can change his whole body 4) Alex isnt a crazy muderer machine,the reason he kills innocents is the player`s influence 5) Alex couldnt remember about his past,Carnage and Venom never had this problem 6) Alex is a hero,Carnage and Venom arent 7) Mercer can use his powers to make himself stronger,faster,more durable 8) Mercer isnt a terrible hand-to-hand fighter "

yes venom can servive being cut in half. he was cut in two by thor's lover and came back together and almost killed her... then thor rushed in and shot a devestating blast at venom. haven't you notice that venom can turn into piles of blobs and strings? soo, why can't he be cut in half?

#31 Posted by rightprice (330 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

" @rightprice said:

"
@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage.. "

Mercer can effortlessly lift a 60 ton tank, sprint a few city blocks or even a few miles, run up the side of a skyscraper, jump a couple of hundred feet from to another rooftop, and then throw it a few city blocks to hit some specific person he wants to kill, and all in the span of like 10 to 15 seconds.

Can Venom or Carnage do that.
"

"

I see him throwing a car (1-1.5 tons), a van (~2 tons), what appears to be a garbage truck (5 or 6 tons maybe). None of those are anywhere near the weight of the tanks Mercer can lift and throw. The vehicles shown above are within the 10-20 ton range you put Venom and Carnage at earlier, not at Mercer's level of running around with and throwing 60 ton tanks. Only the pic on the bottom right, with Venom lifting a vehicle with treads, might indicate that he his capable of lifting a tank, but since we can't see the whole vehicle and there are numerous types of vehicles with treads, that pic really doesn't say anything about his strength that can be used for comparison against Mercer.

#32 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@rightprice said:

" @Lance Bastro said:

" @rightprice said:

"
@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage.. "

Mercer can effortlessly lift a 60 ton tank, sprint a few city blocks or even a few miles, run up the side of a skyscraper, jump a couple of hundred feet from to another rooftop, and then throw it a few city blocks to hit some specific person he wants to kill, and all in the span of like 10 to 15 seconds.

Can Venom or Carnage do that.
"

"

I see him throwing a car (1-1.5 tons), a van (~2 tons), what appears to be a garbage truck (5 or 6 tons maybe). None of those are anywhere near the weight of the tanks Mercer can lift and throw. The vehicles shown above are within the 10-20 ton range you put Venom and Carnage at earlier, not at Mercer's level of running around with and throwing 60 ton tanks. Only the pic on the bottom right, with Venom lifting a vehicle with treads, might indicate that he his capable of lifting a tank, but since we can't see the whole vehicle and there are numerous types of vehicles with treads, that pic really doesn't say anything about his strength that can be used for comparison against Mercer. "

it was a bulldozer

#33 Posted by ComicStooge (5300 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Mercer wins...

#34 Posted by k4tzm4n (30921 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@GT-Man said:

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i dont think venom can beat wolverine
"

He can and has. Wolverine has no way of beating him...Unless Venom decides to just remove the symbiote and go "Hey, stab me!" lol

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#35 Posted by FLCL1 (9581 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

"@FLCL1 said:

" @GT-Man said:

"
i dont think venom can beat wolverine
"
venom will rape him "
Venom is gay?! O_o

IMPOSSIBLE!!!

@spidey 15: alright then "

lol

#36 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

a bulldozer

#37 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

" @rightprice said:
"
@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: he isnt similar to Venom/Carnage,not even close,thats worse than claiming Daredevil is just like Batman Venom and Carnage would beat Wolverine too Mercer is stronger than then btw "
stronger by what means? not muscle power. maybe stronger in regeneration than venom/carnage.. "

Mercer can effortlessly lift a 60 ton tank, sprint a few city blocks or even a few miles, run up the side of a skyscraper, jump a couple of hundred feet from to another rooftop, and then throw it a few city blocks to hit some specific person he wants to kill, and all in the span of like 10 to 15 seconds.

Can Venom or Carnage do that.
"

"

everything you posted could be replicated by Spider-Man

the bulldozer Venom lifted seens to be much smaller than the real life one IMO

Mercer can level buldings with easy and easly lifts militar air-planes and tanks that weight more than 10 tons (around Eddie`s limit) effortless,he never struggled to lift anything on the whole game
anyway,Venom cant heal from being ripped apart,only the simbiont itself,but not Venom,if someone rips Venom in two,it will kill both the host and the alien

Mercer still destroys Wolverine

#38 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

dude, i swear by odin's beard, vemon was ripped in half! i kid you not. he was in half and came back together and thor had to rescue her and shot venom until he melted into a slime... moments latter after that, magneto confronted thor and opened up the earth and trapped thor at the center of the earth.

#39 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said: dude, i swear by odin's beard, vemon was ripped in half! i kid you not. he was in half and came back together and thor had to rescue her and shot venom until he melted into a slime... moments latter after that, magneto confronted thor and opened up the earth and trapped thor at the center of the earth. "

i'm going to have to actually show you this for you to believe. let me go to barns and nobles and find it. i'll take my trusty camera with me.

#40 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro:
tell me,did he rip Venom with the host or just the alien? what was the issue? i never called you a liar,but that sounds like PIS or something happened,because if Venom could freely do that,wouldnt it be impossible to KO him?

#41 Posted by Dark Zoom (2332 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro: tell me how wolverine would beat alex mercer and ill give u counter reasons why he cant

#42 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

" @Lance Bastro: tell me,did he rip Venom with the host or just the alien? what was the issue? i never called you a liar,but that sounds like PIS or something happened,because if Venom could freely do that,wouldnt it be impossible to KO him? "

it didn't imply that it was just the symboite itself. venom randomly joined the fight because he was infatuated with thor's lover (wife?) and wanted to take her. but she's a goddess so she's strong too and fights venom and cuts him in half with her enchanted sword. she thought she killed him and turns around and seconds later venom come back in one piece and knocks her out. that's when thor came in. (this was all in the middle of a battle between the asgardians and magneto's army) i don't know what issuse it was until i find it. i was at b&n a few month ago reading up on it at the comic section. i was really bored that day.

#43 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

" @Matezoide said:
" @Lance Bastro: tell me,did he rip Venom with the host or just the alien? what was the issue? i never called you a liar,but that sounds like PIS or something happened,because if Venom could freely do that,wouldnt it be impossible to KO him? "
it didn't imply that it was just the symboite itself. venom randomly joined the fight because he was infatuated with thor's lover (wife?) and wanted to take her. but she's a goddess so she's strong too and fights venom and cuts him in half with her enchanted sword. she thought she killed him and turns around and seconds later venom come back in one piece and knocks her out. that's when thor came in. (this was all in the middle of a battle between the asgardians and magneto's army) i don't know what issuse it was until i find it. i was at b&n a few month ago reading up on it at the comic section. i was really bored that day. "

hum...that sounds like PIS and randon
but if you say so

#44 Posted by Fortified_Hooligan (1964 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

this fight isnt even close.

Mercer will completely and utterly devestate wolverine, and yes he could consume him without even having to wear him down.

Mercer consumes people by tearing them to shreds and then consuming them. It isnt a matter of whether or not wolverine's immune system can handle the virus. he will be shredded into particulate before he is consumed.

#45 Edited by rightprice (330 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Fortified_Hooligan:
But what would happen if Mercer duplicates Wolverine's healing factor? Would it augment his own regenerative abilities or would it attack him? It could be similar in effect (although not related) to an autoimmune disease for Mercer.

#46 Posted by Fortified_Hooligan (1964 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

Mercer is not a man at all. He's all virus. So if the virus duplicated wolverine's healing factor (useless compared to the regenerative abilities it already has) then the healing factor would serve the virus.

#47 Posted by rightprice (330 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

"a bulldozer

"

That's a nice picture and puts into perspective how big bulldozers can be, but posting just this one picture is misleading. Bulldozers come in a lot of sizes, take a look:

A huge one

A pretty big one

Some not so big ones

#48 Posted by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Fortified_Hooligan said:

" Mercer is not a man at all. He's all virus. So if the virus duplicated wolverine's healing factor (useless compared to the regenerative abilities it already has) then the healing factor would serve the virus. "

exactly,Mercer isnt a human being that is sick,he is a virus,the healing factor wont attack the virus because theres nothing to be attacked

#49 Posted by rightprice (330 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@Matezoide said:

" @Fortified_Hooligan said:

" Mercer is not a man at all. He's all virus. So if the virus duplicated wolverine's healing factor (useless compared to the regenerative abilities it already has) then the healing factor would serve the virus. "
exactly,Mercer isnt a human being that is sick,he is a virus,the healing factor wont attack the virus because theres nothing to be attacked "

Doesn't Wolverine's healing factor protect him against viral infection? Mercer incorporates the DNA of those he consumes into his own genome, so if he incorporates Wolverine's X-Gene into his own genome, and the healing factor encoded by that X-Gene attacks viruses, then that healing factor should attack the virions he is made of whenever he activates and expresses it.

#50 Edited by Matezoide2 (15980 posts) - 3 years, 1 month ago - Show Bio

@rightprice said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Fortified_Hooligan said:

" Mercer is not a man at all. He's all virus. So if the virus duplicated wolverine's healing factor (useless compared to the regenerative abilities it already has) then the healing factor would serve the virus. "
exactly,Mercer isnt a human being that is sick,he is a virus,the healing factor wont attack the virus because theres nothing to be attacked "
Doesn't Wolverine's healing factor protect him against viral infection? Mercer incorporates the DNA of those he consumes into his own genome, so if he incorporates Wolverine's X-Gene into his own genome, and the healing factor encoded by that X-Gene attacks viruses, then that healing factor should attack the virions he is made of whenever he activates and expresses it. "

yes,it protects him from viral infection,however it only does that because the virus affects a body and is a strange organism,it isnt suposed to be there,thats why the healing factor destroys it
Mercer is different because he isnt sick,he isnt infected,he IS the virus,it isnt a strange organism that is attacking something,Mercer is THE virus,thats why it wont attack him
basicaly,the healing factor will see the virus as the ``right thing``,not as the ``invasor``