Alcatraz (Crysis 2) vs Adam Jensen (Deus Ex: Human Revolution)

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#1  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
Alcatraz 
 
 
 
 
VS 
 
 
Adam Jensen 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Times Square, New York, NY.  Unpopulated, all vehicles remain.  Begin at opposite ends, not visible.
 
 
 
 

Rules

-Both know there's a hostile target in the region. 
-Standard gear. 
-Standard elimination rules apply.  
 
 

Additional information on both (thanks to Texas for the idea)

 
 

Alcatraz


 
  
   
 
 

Jensen

  

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#2  Edited By Aiden Cross

Could you state some feats for Jensen, never played the game before. And i'm at work so i'm not in a position to youtube it :p

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#3  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

I created a respect thread for Jensen, but it's not on this site so posting the link in public is considered spam.  So, I'll PM you the link. 
 
But, Alcatraz really doesn't have any standout feats, it's a lot about power and tech here.
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#4  Edited By Aiden Cross

hm, after reading up on Jensen i have to say it's pretty equal. Stealth and X-Ray vision should keep them up to par detection wise. The one thing that i think will fetch Jensen the win is his EMP grenade, not sure how this would affect Acatraz...

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#5  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

The EMP grenade is definitely a game changer if used, imho.
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#6  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

OP is updated with more information on both.
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#7  Edited By Dex_Starr

I just finished Crysis 2 and I wasn't too impressed with Alcatraz. 

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#8  Edited By Dex_Starr

BTW Is that Deus Ex comic from the DC imprint? I've noticed that DC started taking over the video game titles like Resident Evil and Gears of War when they shut down Wildstorm. 

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#9  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Hohenheim_of_light
Care to explain?
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#10  Edited By Dex_Starr
@k4tzm4n said:
@Hohenheim_of_light: Care to explain?
Explain why Alcatraz wasn't so impressive?  He just didn't seem very capable physically.  He had some impressive tech with like stealth, being able to increase his armor, but a lot of times during the game he was bumbling around and struggling to climb up a destroyed bridge.  I guess it might of had something to do with the Ceph material he absorbed earlier but outside of his tech I haven't noticed anything special. 
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#11  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Hohenheim_of_light
There were a lot of factors in the story that hindered him.  But as a whole the nanosuit (in combination with his level of training) makes him quite the physical threat.  I'd say he has the strength and durability edge here, where-as Jensen has the tactical edge with a larger variety of options at his disposal.
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#12  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Hohenheim_of_light
And yes, the latest Deus Ex comic is published by DC.
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#13  Edited By Dex_Starr
@k4tzm4n said:
@Hohenheim_of_light: There were a lot of factors in the story that hindered him.  But as a whole the nanosuit (in combination with his level of training) makes him quite the physical threat.  I'd say he has the strength and durability edge here, where-as Jensen has the tactical edge with a larger variety of options at his disposal.
Well I can't comment on how he'd do in this fight because I haven't played Deus Ex yet.  I played the second one years ago but I don't even remember if it's the same character or not, plus I only played it for about an hour before getting bored.  Once I play the game and read the comics then I might of something of value to contribute here. 
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#14  Edited By Dex_Starr

I'm also glad that someone else is interested in these types of games.  It's a breath of fresh air from people who think Call of Duty is the greatest game ever made .....

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#15  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Hohenheim_of_light
This character exists before the events of the very first Deus Ex game (Human Revolution is a prequel).  The OP was updated with a scene showing off Jensen's assorted tactical options and weapons, but that's fine.
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#16  Edited By Dex_Starr
@k4tzm4n: There's also a Crysis 2 comic book by IDW, Maybe that might have some feats for Alcatraz. 
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#17  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Hohenheim_of_light
Unfortunately, it has been extremely lackluster in the feats department.  The best it has offered is showing the nanosuit can warn them of threats, then the rest is filled with very basic run and gun action scenes. :(
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#18  Edited By Dex_Starr
@k4tzm4n said:
@Hohenheim_of_light: Unfortunately, it has been extremely lackluster in the feats department.  The best it has offered is showing the nanosuit can warn them of threats, then the rest is filled with very basic run and gun action scenes. :(
I'm glad you read it and saved me the trouble.  I didn't like Crysis 2 at all and I wasn't looking forward to digging through the comics to look for feats. 
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#19  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Hohenheim_of_light
Sorry to hear you weren't a fan.  The game had a rather slow start, but I absolutely loved the second half. 
 
And yeah, the comic isn't really worth your time if you're looking for feats. 
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#20  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

Damn, I was hoping more people played Crysis 2 and are interested in Deus Ex: HR.
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#21  Edited By Blood_guts

this is interesting. we haven't seen any strength feats for adam jensin but alcatraz can throw cars i do beilieve. if it comes down to suit vs suit i think alcatraz wins it although i don't know enough about deus ex to say

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#22  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Blood_guts
Jensen is definitely strong, but I'd give that edge to Alcatraz.   
 
In the OP, you can see Jensen effortlessly holds a full grown man in the air (by the neck) with one arm, and below is another strength feat. 
 
 
 
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#23  Edited By katanalauncher

Anyone of them have EMP weapons? 
Nanosuit 2 seems less impressive than the first nanosuit.

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#24  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
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I'd consider one EMP grenade standard gear for Jensen.
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#25  Edited By katanalauncher
@k4tzm4n said:
@katanalauncher: I'd consider one EMP grenade standard gear for Jensen.
Then Jensen wins, one EMP nade is enough to shutdown the suit for a few seconds and for Jensen to make this kill. 
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#26  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
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I completely agree it's a game changer if used properly.  But there's also the potential for Jensen being eliminated before he has a chance to use it.
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#27  Edited By katanalauncher
@k4tzm4n said:

@katanalauncher: I completely agree it's a game changer if used properly.  But there's also the potential for Jensen being eliminated before he has a chance to use it.

Yes at this point we don't know if Jensen have some sort of Infrared vision like Alcatraz(It's highly unlikely since the nanoenhanced agent from the first game didn't have it), if we doesn't a cloaked Alcatraz could pick him off from a distance.
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#28  Edited By Static Shock  Online

@katanalauncher said:

Nanosuit 2 seems less impressive than the first nanosuit.

How so?

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#29  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@katanalauncher
Jensen has both x-ray vision and cloaking capabilities.
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#30  Edited By Erik
@k4tzm4n:  
I saw this thread and instantly thought of how it would send you into a giggle-fit if you saw it.  
 
Then I saw you made it and thought how you probably were having a giggle-fit the entire time you were making the OP.
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#31  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Erik
 
k4tz: 99 problems but giggilin' ain't one.
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#32  Edited By Erik
@k4tzm4n said:
@Erik:  k4tz: 99 problems but giggilin' ain't one.
Tried to find a good giggle fit video, but I failed. 
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#33  Edited By katanalauncher
@k4tzm4n said:
@katanalauncher: Jensen has both x-ray vision and cloaking capabilities.
X-ray vision won't help you picking up cloaked enemies, since Nanosuit redirect the light particles it would redirect the X-ray. 
Unless Jensen have infrared vision he's not gonna see Alcatraz coming.
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#34  Edited By Blood_guts

Im not even done with deus ex. but honestly? Acatraz? not a f*cking chance.

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#35  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Blood_guts
Why?
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#36  Edited By Blood_guts

the crisis guy might be able to lift cars but thats not punching strength. Jensin can punch through walls but the guy in crisis has a hard time demolishing a shack with his hands. 
 
his vision also is not xray its something else and it's how i spot cloaked enemies in deus ex. 
 
whether there are walls to punch through or cars to throw makes this very interesting. :D
 
 
*edit* nvm my bad i didnt read the op right.  i deleted what i said.

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#37  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
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The striking strength is still very impressive for Alcatraz.  A kick can send a car/person flying.
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#38  Edited By Blood_guts
@k4tzm4n: cars dont go that far do they? also have you beaten the second to last boss in deus ex?
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#39  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
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They don't go too far, but it represents how powerful his striking abilities are. 
 
No, I haven't had that much time with Deus Ex, unfortunately.
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#40  Edited By Blood_guts
@k4tzm4n said:
@Blood_guts: They don't go too far, but it represents how powerful his striking abilities are.  No, I haven't had that much time with Deus Ex, unfortunately.
well he has quite the punching feat lol. i dont wanna spoil anyting so i'll leave it to your temptation 
 
 
another factor is the blades on his arms. they extend a bit farther than the length of his forearms at times but i dont know if thats intentional. either way it's a big reach advantage.
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#41  Edited By TERMINATOR_MAN

Crysis guy has a big durability advantage...but Deus Ex dude has more tools at his disposal.  Stalemate.
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#42  Edited By Blood_guts
@TERMINATOR_MAN said:
Crysis guy has a big durability advantage...but Deus Ex dude has more tools at his disposal.  Stalemate.
speaking of durability is there a filtration system on the crysis suit? becuase Adam has gas grenades.
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#43  Edited By TERMINATOR_MAN

I don't know.  I would like to think an armor that advanced has the ability to survive without outside air for a short period of time.
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#44  Edited By Blood_guts
@TERMINATOR_MAN:  so would i but halo armor has got sh$t and thats really advanced lol. but jensen has lungs that filter the gas as well as electricity shielding so he can use both emp and gas grenades up close to him at no risk
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#45  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

For this match, please assume Adam Jensen's gear is limited to a 10mm pistol, combat rifle, 1 frag grenade, and 1 EMP grenade.  He has his augmentations set at the level in his comic.
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#46  Edited By Blood_guts
@k4tzm4n said:
For this match, please assume Adam Jensen's gear is limited to a 10mm pistol, combat rifle, 1 frag grenade, and 1 EMP grenade.  He has his augmentations set at the level in his comic.
are the guns fully upgraded? i never read the comic so idk what level that is for the augments
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I don't know anything about Crysis or characters from it, but I'm interested how Jensen would perform against them, especially after his upgrade in Mankind Divided. @lubub55?

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I don't know anything about Crysis or characters from it, but I'm interested how Jensen would perform against them, especially after his upgrade in Mankind Divided. @lubub55?

Funnily enough, Crysis 2 is the only one in the series I didn't play.

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Not sure why you picked Alcrataz from Cyrsis two to be represented here since his feats are extremely limited even by novel standards due to the fact that Alc, and Prophet are literally fused together like Alc is the body or vessel while Prophet is the brains of the body, but anyway judging from this thread prolly give it to Alca/Prophet. They were known to fight the Ceph who were mopping the floors against all human forces for the vast majority of the time especially by Crysis III, and Prophet was known at least in the novels to have killed an Island of some of the best soldiers in the world by the hundreds. He's also got some cool powers that should give him the edge as well and allow more flexible approaches and tactics then that of Adam Jensen. In the end though the fight would be a good fight especially if Adam can catch Alca off guard.