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@xxironspiderxx said:
Everyone is just sayin albert wins and listing his feats nobody will list matts. Im not saying matt wins im just saying stop underestimating him
Skill in the comic book realm should never be underestimated.
Classic case of skill versus stats. I do believe we on the Vine drool far too much over 'superior' stats. Fact is, comic book top tier fighters are superhuman in their own right (Matt actually redirects bullets with precision - them there are superhuman reflexes at work). And the fact is, they are consistently written taking down powerhouses they would have no business taking down in 'real life'. I can run off a list if anyone doubts ...
Matt has held up against far more impressive adversaries than Wesker has IMHO.
This is not a stomp.
Funny thing, I always thought that people on comicvine are overestimating skills, not stats. Logically someone who is simultaneously faster, stronger and more durable than you, will always defeat you in random encounter. Let's use the analogy: North American P-51 Mustang piloted by excellent pilot versus F-16 Fighting Falcon piloted by mediocre pilot, who would win? Or M4 Sherman controlled by greatly skilled crew versus M1 Abrams controlled by mediocre crew, again who should win? This is classical case of swordsman vs. gunslinger... Every time you will doubt that stats are more important than skills watch Riders of the lost ark: arabian swordsman shows off his skills with a sword, Indiana Jones just point a gun at him and shoot him on a spot. :) Yes, skilled peak humans defeted superhumans on many occasions - this thing have a name, it is called: PIS/CIS. It's either done for the sake of story, or it is done to uplift certain characters. For example let's talk about this pressure points thing. Not only this is a cheap way to win - in this same way you can say that Daredevil will win this fight because he will kick his opponent in the nuts ;) - but also I don't think that pressure points should work. If you have super durability, then your entire body is super durable including your nerves and all other weak spots. So I don't know why pressure points should be effective? And because of that Wesker stomps.
Your confusing real life logic with comics. It's that simple.
Martial skill in comic land does not operate under the same laws ... every-single-top-tier character has multiple feats attributed to him or her that in the real world would classify as superhuman and / or paranormal.
Top tier skill is an extremely potent superpower (and yes, I would classify it as such) to possess in comics.
Real world physics and logic have a very limited place whence debating the import and 'weight' of skill versus stats in comic books.
Sorry, I don't buy this. Everytime I point this out, I always get this same response: comic book logic is different that real life logic, it's like saying it's just comic book, what did you expect? It is like both authors and reader's didn't have respect for the medium. But it's not looney toons! This "diffrent logic" thing it's a cop out, a lousy excuse for bad writing. Basically everyone who claim that Daredevil and similar characters could defeat opponents that are way out of their league, is no different from that guy who claimed that T-1000 could kill Superman by poking his brain with stabbing weapon...
First, and here's the important bit - they're SUPERHEROES. They do 'super' stuff. The limits of which are given by A) their power set, B) their skill set and C) the creative whim of their writer and editorial team.
In debating, we then sift through all of the above and when we strike a consistent pattern in a given heroes performance and /or achievements, we delineate what they can and cannot do. In this case, DD has skill enough to drop baddies with significantly superior power sets due to his significantly superior skill set as he has been written as such consistently for decades. Despite his 'on paper' peak human attributes. His skill can see him landing very telling nerve strikes or pressure points for example. Lot's of ways to handle skill in a fantasy setting.
But yes, there are limits. And yes, Wesker stretches those limits.
We have things established like 'PIS' and 'WIS' to determine when a certain showing has drawn too far outside the lines. But that's not to say if an MMA fighter cannot pull it off, then Batman should not be able to either ... that's silly.
Second, comic books are based loosely in reality yes, and well they should be, but certainly not exclusively - nor should they. They should stretch the limits of probability. Do you think comics are the only medium that stretch the limits of the imagination and credibility as to what is realistic or not? Hollywood is full to the brim with action movies portraying their action heroes doing outrageous crap no one in 'real life' should be able to pull off.
I still don't but this. You bring this nerve strikes thing again... how this is any different than saying that T-1000 could kill Superman by poking Superman's brain? You all laughed at guy who said that, and rightfully so. How pressure points are any different, in what way they nullify super durability, when every part of the body should be equally resilient? And you said things that everyone says: consistent showings make it valid. I don't agree. Let's say that Matt Murdock shoot lightning bolts from his finger tips and lazer beams from his eyes without any other explanation than: he was trained in martial arts... You would bought this? Because I'm sure that I won't. Sure comic book are not reality, thats why I can accept idea of blind martial artist fighting organized crime. Daredevil's radar sense it's greatly exaggerated but it's actually rooted in reality: blind people compensate for loss of vision by sharpening other senses or at least they attach greater importance to taste, touch, smell, hear etc. But that don't make Daredevil superhuman, that make him human with exaggerated human abilities, that doesn't mean that he should go toe to toe with actual superhumans, you know people who are stronger, faster, tougher than him. How he can even touch someone who is significantly faster than him and move faster than he can react, how can he hurt people who are a lot more tougher than him, how can he take hits from people who are a lot stronger than him? There is no explanation other than because the plot says so. Don't get me wrong, because comics are not reall I can accept all sorts of things: flying aliens from planet Krypton, nordic gods, mutants or other silly things but those are adequately explained. Martial arts = superpowers is no explanation, especially when authors insists on saying that those martial artists indeed are not superhumans and they don't have any powers! When you want your hero to do superhuman stuff, give him superpowers, don't claim that he is powerless - it's self contradictory statement. And when someone in movies does something completely impossible audience don't try to rationalize it, there is name for it: :)
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