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#1 Posted by Etheral_Dreams (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

Who wins out of these two cartoon villains? Both are bloodlusted and are at full power. Battle takes place on Earth.

#2 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10090 posts) - - Show Bio

Can HIM actually harm Aku?

#3 Posted by Wolfrazer (6768 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure HIM is more powerful, abit I can't recall much from Aku other than he could shapeshift, fire blasts from his eyes, teleport? And tear open portals in time.

Meanwhile HIM has moved the Earth(or was it the sun? Can't remember) and stopped it right before the sun hit with a wave of his hand, he can teleport, mind control, resurrect others(he brought back the RRBs), shapeshift, take over inaminate objects, prob some other stuff I'm forgetting.

HIM does job a lot though imo, he clearly shows great power and it's a wonder how the PPG can even beat him.

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#4 Posted by Hyperlight (5861 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: I was going to ask the opposite, him constantly toys with the PPG's and don't see them as too much of a threat were aku is scared of jack and that dope sword

#5 Posted by Mr_Clockwork91 (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

HIM because Aku will be too busy trying figure out if HIM is a boy or a girl like the rest of us. O_O

#6 Edited by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer said:

I'm pretty sure HIM is more powerful, abit I can't recall much from Aku other than he could shapeshift, fire blasts from his eyes, teleport? And tear open portals in time.

Meanwhile HIM has moved the Earth(or was it the sun? Can't remember) and stopped it right before the sun hit with a wave of his hand, he can teleport, mind control, resurrect others(he brought back the RRBs), shapeshift, take over inaminate objects, prob some other stuff I'm forgetting.

HIM does job a lot though imo, he clearly shows great power and it's a wonder how the PPG can even beat him.

Including upon what you mentioned Aku has necromancy, transmutation, telekinesis, soul stealing/trap, Desinergration beams (like darkseids omega beams), fire manipulation, animal control, illusions, matter creation, weather control, cloning spell and other magic spells, unbreakable crystal prison, and he cannot be killed other than by jacks sword (there is no way getting around this). He fought the elementals and they couldn't kill him.

Overall i say stalemate since Aku doesnt have the abilities to kill Him and neither does Him have the ability to kill Aku.

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#7 Posted by BlackWind (6385 posts) - - Show Bio

IIRC, Aku WAS the force that destroyed the dinosaurs.

Also, can't he only be destroyed for good by a force of good? HIM isn't in that category.

#8 Posted by JustSomeRandomKid (2132 posts) - - Show Bio

Any is actually a lot stronger then people think. I say Aku or stalemate.

#9 Posted by DarkRaiden (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

HIM is basically a reality warper so...him.

#10 Edited by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: @blackwind: I've already explained he cannot be killed by anything other thank jacks sword and jacks sword cannot be used by anyone who is evil, period. Him's reality warping will have no effect because even the gods (creators of samurai jack reality) couldn't one shot what aku is, they can kill him with their heavenly forged weapons but it still takes a amount of effort. HIM can't make jacks sword due to it only being able to be made by gods. Specifically set, Odin, and Vishnu are the gods of samurai jack world that created everything. The sword by jack is destined to kill Aku.

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#11 Posted by DarkRaiden (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: @blackwind: I've already explained he cannot be killed by anything other thank jacks sword. Him's reality warping will have no effect because even the gods (creators of samurai jack reality) couldn't one shot what aku is, they can kill him with their heavenly forged weapons but it still wasn't able to one shot. HIM can't make jacks sword due to it only being able to be made by gods.

Reality warping is a counter to that since...if he warps the fact that he can't die by anything other than that sword (NLF btw) then Aku's easily killable now.

#12 Edited by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: can he warp the destiny of what god set fourth? Your telling me HIM's reality warping can change gods plan?

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#13 Posted by lowlaville (4520 posts) - - Show Bio

HIM and AKU are realitvely equal in power, but HIM deals with FTL powerful planet+ beings while AKU is thwarted by a regular samurai with a magic sword. HIM wins IMO.

#14 Edited by Gustofwind (606 posts) - - Show Bio

Aku wins, HIM can't hurt Aku.

#15 Posted by Etheral_Dreams (1349 posts) - - Show Bio

IIRC, HIM's true form is the embodiment of the apocalypse and Aku is the embodiment of evil & darkness. I don't really know if they can harm each other.

#16 Posted by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

I always thought of Aku and HIM being the same person/entity. We know its the same universe so I figured Aku was staying relatively low when there were greater threats to his reign. The PPG's were there but there were superhero's before them. Aku would have a better chance for complete control after they were all gone.

#17 Posted by DarkRaiden (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: can he warp the destiny of what god set fourth? Your telling me HIM's reality warping can change gods plan?

Probably.

#18 Edited by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: face palm. That's like saying Franklin Richards could probably over power the one above all.

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#19 Posted by DarkRaiden (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: face palm. That's like saying Franklin Richards could probably over power the one above all.

No it's not. These gods of Samurai Jack don't have feats to suggest they're that level.

#20 Posted by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasino: the thing is Samurai jack universe has more high tier characters and characters on HIM's level that aku has actually faced. The power puff girls universe never displayed dieties or the embodiements of nature or abstract beings like samurai jack universe has and the fact that aku has been able to stalemate or be seen as a threat to them is something HIM has never really shown although his power is seemingly greater due to reality warp he has never faced characters above powerpuff girl level like aku has.

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#21 Posted by Mrnoital (1487 posts) - - Show Bio

I've seen Aku take down full armies and has galaxies if not the universe under his control, HIM is a shadowy figure that i dont remember many real feats out of,

#22 Posted by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: they don't need feats to suggest that when they are verbatim stated to be the creators of reality in samurai jack universe and the most powerful beings there. You can't reality warp them.

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#23 Posted by DarkRaiden (7327 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: they don't need feats to suggest that when they are verbatim stated to be the creators of reality in samurai jack universe and the most powerful beings there. You can't reality warp them.

Creating something doesn't make you all powerful or omnipotent at all. And nothing has been shown to say they can't be reality warped.

#24 Posted by Wolfrazer (6768 posts) - - Show Bio

The problem I see here is that.....as far as actual combat goes, neither are really good. I mean Aku was beaten by both Jack's dad and Jack himself while HIM was beaten by the PPG. I mean with HIM getting beat by the PPG is a little better, considering that they have super powers but it's also rather jobbing too....of course I don't recall him ever actually fighting much as he was more of a manipulating kinda being and such.

Which then brings us back to Aku, I mean for that I could give Aku the win...while he was beaten by Jack's dad and Jack I do recall him at least putting up something of a fight. HIM...I'm not really recalling any direct fighting.

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#25 Posted by dondave (37612 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Aku have a defence to HIM using TP against him?

#26 Posted by kasino (1785 posts) - - Show Bio

@kasino: the thing is Samurai jack universe has more high tier characters and characters on HIM's level that aku has actually faced. The power puff girls universe never displayed dieties or the embodiements of nature or abstract beings like samurai jack universe has and the fact that aku has been able to stalemate or be seen as a threat to them is something HIM has never really shown although his power is seemingly greater due to reality warp he has never faced characters above powerpuff girl level like aku has.

its the same universe. in the samurai jack Aku's only threat is Jack in the heavenly sword. yes we see norse gods and the deities that made the sword but they don't interfere. no one in the Jack timeline is anywhere near Aku or lesser the power puff girls. there is magic and old galactic beings that lead nations but none get in Aku's way.

#27 Edited by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: what are you taking about? Aku has combat feats. No he wasn't able to beat jack or Jacks dad (which is kinda PIS aswell since Aku has so many damn powers that he never uses on Jack) but he conquered the world and other worlds in the galaxy after he bfr'd jack into the future. None of the forces in the universe were able to keep Aku from taking it over not even supernatural forces. In almost every samurai jack episode a story is told on how aku physically took over each part of the world or other worlds in the universe. In comparison I honestly believe aku would have taken over the power puff girls universe unlike HIM has been able to. But maybe HIM actually could take over the universe and it's just PIS that he hasn't or he doesn't have the motive to do so like Aku did.

I still say stalemate since neither could put each other down.

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#28 Edited by Wolfrazer (6768 posts) - - Show Bio

@those_eyes said:

@wolfrazer: what are you taking about? Aku has combat feats. No he wasn't able to beat jack or Jacks dad (which is kinda PIS aswell since Aku has so many damn powers that he never uses on Jack) but he conquered the world and other worlds in the galaxy after he bfr'd jack into the future. None of the forces in the universe were able to keep Aku from taking it over not even supernatural forces. In almost every samurai jack episode a story is told on how aku physically took over each part of the world or other worlds in the universe. In comparison I honestly believe aku would have taken over the power puff girls universe unlike HIM has been able to. But maybe HIM actually could take over the universe and it's just PIS that he hasn't or he doesn't have the motive to do so like Aku did.

I still say stalemate since neither could put each other down.

Well that's kinda the same thing with HIM, when the PPG went into the future, HIM had taken over the entire world too(and more than likely he could have done the same with other worlds) and yet no one else stopped him either. Sure you could say that the PPGverse didn't show any god entities or whatever, but still.

Also I was talking about actual combat against the main characters, I wasn't speaking of anything else.

But anyway stalemate seems about right.

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#29 Posted by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: does HIM have telapathy resistance from Aku? Aku mind a entire club and nations before. Aku doesnt even have a brain he is a being of shadow and evil.

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#30 Posted by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: ok sorry about that. I agree with what you said.

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#31 Posted by Joygirl (20003 posts) - - Show Bio

HIM for sure, even if he wasn't more powerful, which he is, he's way more fabulous. HIM needs to be used in battles more.

#32 Posted by Mrnoital (1487 posts) - - Show Bio

I found the fight against jacks dad but it was edited with music and i think it was sped up at a few points, but jacks dad was only winning cause he was given god armor and was flying on a cloud, after that he had trouble but powered his way through, jack is much better trained and does much better against aku most the time, but as both him and aku are schemers i've seen aku come up with a scheme that beat jack(he wouldve won if he killed jack himself instead of trying to use jacks sword) and it was unclear to me if he had a hand in making or controling those ghosts and zombies, or just led jack to them

About 7:30 the zombies show up( seemingly at akus command) fight starts just before the 9:00 mark and a ghost witch shows up to steal jacks sword(for aku) at 12:45, then aku pretty much beats jack

#33 Edited by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: there are other times aku raised the dead not just that time. Jack also beat a ghost/demon inside the astral plain that killed people and took their souls buy Aku is stronger than it.

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#34 Posted by Mrnoital (1487 posts) - - Show Bio

@those_eyes: yeah that episode was kinda creepy, but it only seemed to have power in that one house(if i'm thinking of the same one)

aku has actual combat feats, i dont remember him having any

#35 Posted by marvel_boy2241 (2468 posts) - - Show Bio

Aku, I think. He just seems more badass.

#36 Edited by Huey_Freeman34 (1535 posts) - - Show Bio

Aku stomps. Better power set, better feats.

#37 Posted by Hungry_Sharky (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

HIM for sure, even if he wasn't more powerful, which he is, he's way more fabulous. HIM needs to be used in battles more.

Some call it fabulous, others call it f#ckin odd.

#38 Posted by lukehero (8457 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm pretty sure HIM is more powerful, abit I can't recall much from Aku other than he could shapeshift, fire blasts from his eyes, teleport? And tear open portals in time.

Meanwhile HIM has moved the Earth(or was it the sun? Can't remember) and stopped it right before the sun hit with a wave of his hand, he can teleport, mind control, resurrect others(he brought back the RRBs), shapeshift, take over inaminate objects, prob some other stuff I'm forgetting.

HIM does job a lot though imo, he clearly shows great power and it's a wonder how the PPG can even beat him.

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#40 Posted by Joygirl (20003 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, @those_eyes: regarding Him being able to "change god's plan," it is heavily implied and theorized that Him is literally Satan. So, possibly, yes.

#41 Posted by lukehero (8457 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by Joygirl (20003 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero: With effortless TK on a solar scale? I should think so. I wanna use him in a debate now. :P

#43 Posted by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl said:

Also, @those_eyes: regarding Him being able to "change god's plan," it is heavily implied and theorized that Him is literally Satan. So, possibly, yes.

I don't think he can change Destiny. Lucifer morning star couldnt change Destiny and Lucifer morning star is stronger than HIM.

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#44 Posted by lukehero (8457 posts) - - Show Bio

@joygirl:

Yah, Him was one of those villains, where there is no reasonable explanation why he doesn't just snap his fingers and kill the hero.

@those_eyes: Faulty logic, it's two different versions of Satan from two different universes. With totally different rules two each universe. Morning Stars Power level when compared to HIM has nothing to do with what HIM can possibly do in his universe.

#45 Posted by Mrnoital (1487 posts) - - Show Bio

Aku is basically jacks devil, he came from the darkness at the start of the universe, and seems to be the only surviving peice,his original form could've beat the gods in a one on one(almost beat vishnu during a 3 on 1), and when he became earthbound he seemed to gain a lot more magic powers, what has HIM ever really done in a fight?

#46 Posted by lukehero (8457 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: Both are bloodlusted and are at full power in OP. So, it's not just about how he fights, it's about he's feats themselves. He can reality warp, bring people back from the dead, moved the freaking Sun(ridiculously overpowered TK)....Basically he has higher feats than Aku. Aku more have fights on record, but it really doesn't matter.

#47 Posted by Mrnoital (1487 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero: aku has brought people back from the dead, its been a while since i've watch ppg, but what kind of reality warping has he really done?

once he moved the sun(presumably through tk, but could be magic or specific time manipulation) but he doesnt have many feats overall, and isnt he always at full power? and so any battle he's been in would be what he can do in this battle

#48 Posted by those_eyes (6817 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero: still don't understand how people here are saying HIM can change the destiny the that the Gods of samurai jack universe made but can't beat 3 little girls with all his power. Fighting Gods > moving the sun.

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#49 Posted by Imperator_Nocturne (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@lukehero: still don't understand how people here are saying HIM can change the destiny the that the Gods of samurai jack universe made but can't beat 3 little girls with all his power. Fighting Gods > moving the sun.

he´s a reality warper, he just blinks them out of existence (or was it ever shown they resisted something like this?) also ppg are pretty OP as well, i mean they run so fas that they created a wormhole that transported them 50 years to the future (were HIM ruled the world cause no ppg were around BTW)

#50 Posted by lukehero (8457 posts) - - Show Bio

@those_eyes:

Wrong, it's just silly cartoon writing. It's like why doesn't Skeletor vaporize He-Man, when he is immensely more powerful? Why doesn't Aku beat Jack? Why doesn't Mum Ra stomp the Thunder Cats? Why, because they are the cartoon villain, and in light hearted programs for kids, the villain doesn't win.

The word God doesn't describe power levels. Feats do. Once instance HIM made the unreal become real. He made all of Bubble's drawings come alive. Also the fact he is powered by negative feelings & he is facing off against Mr. Negative Attitude Aku.

Moving the Sun is a solar system level feat? Aku ever do something on that scale?