It's many years in the future, Franklin is in full control of his powers. his parents are off on one of their many missions. The Avenger and Mighty Avengers are pre occupied. His telepathic mind pick up a powerful presence baring down on the earth. It's Jean Grey,but this time Dark Phoenix is in control,her intentions are clear destroy the earth. He flies into space to confront the entity between earth and mars.
@cracks: Wrong. Phoenix is Multiversal entity that created (and one day will destroy) Galactus.
No White Phoenix of the Crown is Mulitversal. Standard PF is Universal.
White Phoenix is just the complete merger of Jean with the Phoenix force proper, she had become White Phoenix before right after being Dark Phoenix because when the Phoenix takes Jean as a template it is the full force, the Phoenix didn't start coming in fractions on a universal level until Rachel was able to tap the part that as green Phoenix and the part that was dark Phoenix went to Maddie. A Jean/Phoenix combo in an alternate reality was considered a potential threat to the multiverse by the Living Tribunal and all his appearances are canon. The Phoenix that contacted Feron was more powerful than an omniversal convergence of power.
Come back to the vine after the longest time to see such fallacies posted about the Phoenix Force on the site still :/
The Phoenix Force never had anything to do with Galactus's creation. All abstracts were created by the original Big Bang, which is not the Phoenix Force. It's even stated that Phoenix was born from the Big Bang. Funny that you post that scan with Reed Richards, b/c Reed actually saw the Marvel Universe get remade with the power of the Big Bang, which came from the Alien Entity, not Phoenix.
Come back to the vine after the longest time to see such fallacies posted about the Phoenix Force on the site still :/
The Phoenix Force never had anything to do with Galactus's creation. All abstracts were created by the original Big Bang, which is not the Phoenix Force. It's even stated that Phoenix was born from the Big Bang. Funny that you post that scan with Reed Richards, b/c Reed actually saw the Marvel Universe get remade with the power of the Big Bang, which came from the Alien Entity, not Phoenix.
Then go back where you came from. The Phoenix is stated to many times on panel (above for example) as being the spark that starts the big bang the the big bang itself for me to entertain your attempts at low balling. There is evidence right in your face and you still spread lies. It was born in the void between states not the big bang.
I guess you'll post several different scans showing the creation of Marvel from different stories and then claiming they all are connected? You'll say the Alien entity did it, then the Infinity being, right? When the Phoenix causing and being the big bang is much more consistent canonically than what you will post.
Try reading carefully what Reed says above, the energies of creation, the Phoenix Force or what have you...translation, call it what you want it's all the same thing.
Come back to the vine after the longest time to see such fallacies posted about the Phoenix Force on the site still :/
The Phoenix Force never had anything to do with Galactus's creation. All abstracts were created by the original Big Bang, which is not the Phoenix Force. It's even stated that Phoenix was born from the Big Bang. Funny that you post that scan with Reed Richards, b/c Reed actually saw the Marvel Universe get remade with the power of the Big Bang, which came from the Alien Entity, not Phoenix.
Then go back where you came from. The Phoenix is stated to many times on panel (above for example) as being the spark that starts the big bang the the big bang itself for me to entertain your attempts at low balling. There is evidence right in your face and you still spread lies. It was born in the void between states not the big bang.
A statement from a fallible character means nothing to artist depictions being shown on panel. You Phoenix fanboys are the absolute worst.
Here's the real spark that ignites creation, being created by the Alien Entity with RR's help.
Come back to the vine after the longest time to see such fallacies posted about the Phoenix Force on the site still :/
The Phoenix Force never had anything to do with Galactus's creation. All abstracts were created by the original Big Bang, which is not the Phoenix Force. It's even stated that Phoenix was born from the Big Bang. Funny that you post that scan with Reed Richards, b/c Reed actually saw the Marvel Universe get remade with the power of the Big Bang, which came from the Alien Entity, not Phoenix.
Then go back where you came from. The Phoenix is stated to many times on panel (above for example) as being the spark that starts the big bang the the big bang itself for me to entertain your attempts at low balling. There is evidence right in your face and you still spread lies. It was born in the void between states not the big bang.
A statement from a fallible character means nothing to artist depictions being shown on panel. You Phoenix fanboys are the absolute worst.
Here's the real spark that ignites creation, being created by the Alien Entity with RR's help.
Spare us your lies please. Thanks.
Predictable....are you gonna talk about the Infinity being next? If I'm not mistaken you also argue tooth and nail that it created everything, you can't even pick which lie to spread. Canon is on my side while you have several stories that all contradict each other.
Predictable....are you gonna talk about the Infinity being next? If I'm not mistaken you also argue tooth and nail that it created everything, you can't even pick which lie to spread. Canon is on my side while you have several stories that all contradict each other.
See, this is why it's good for you to learn Marvel continuity before making claims. The Infinity Being created the original Marvel Universe from the first universe, at least originally. Marvel changed the continuity to make the M'Krann crystal the destroyer of the original universe when the Infinity Being killed itself. Anyway, Marvel was recreated four times after that: first by Sise-Neg, then by Genis/Entropy, then by Thanos, and finally by the Alien Entity. The Phoenix Force was never involved.
And canon on your side? LOL. There's not a single on-panel depiction of the Phoenix Force creating anything. I've got on-panel evidence through artistic depiction and you have a statement in a word bubble...lol. And btw, the Force itself was born from the Big Bang.
"The Force was subsequently reborn from the cosmic fires of the 'Big Bang'..."
Predictable....are you gonna talk about the Infinity being next? If I'm not mistaken you also argue tooth and nail that it created everything, you can't even pick which lie to spread. Canon is on my side while you have several stories that all contradict each other.
See, this is why it's good for you to learn Marvel continuity before making claims. The Infinity Being created the original Marvel Universe from the first universe, at least originally. Marvel changed the continuity to make the M'Krann crystal the destroyer of the original universe when the Infinity Being killed itself. Anyway, Marvel was recreated four times after that: first by Sise-Neg, then by Genis/Entropy, then by Thanos, and finally by the Alien Entity. The Phoenix Force was never involved.
And canon on your side? LOL. There's not a single on-panel depiction of the Phoenix Force creating anything. I've got on-panel evidence through artistic depiction and you have a statement in a word bubble...lol. And btw, the Force itself was born from the Big Bang.
"The Force was subsequently reborn from the cosmic fires of the 'Big Bang'..."
I end this with the you actually typing that the Phoenix was REBORN, which suggests that it was around before and as the Watcher, Eternity and Death state sparked the first. And then there is the fact that Marvel has connected the power of the Crystal directly to the Phoenix , and shown that the nexus that the crystal contains is the White Hot Room, the heart of creation and the Phoenix. TOAA is the responsible for the creation of Marvel it created the Phoenix as it's vehicle to express that creation and will use it again to destroy that creation in the natural order. The natural order (as we have all seen on panel many times) can be upset and those four examples you mention are nothing more than instances of that happening. In the end it is still the Phoenix according to one that Watches everything, the Omniveral Guardian and Death that is responsible for life.
I'll post it again since you don't seem to understand, call it what you want, the energy of creation is what is used in any of these events and one of it's names is the Phoenix.
That would make sense if it weren't shown that Death must have been telling the truth that time because Jean and Phoenix became one on panel, barring a full on retcon, I don't see your point
That would make sense if it weren't shown that Death must have been telling the truth that time because Jean and Phoenix became one on panel, barring a full on retcon, I don't see your point
That would make sense if it weren't shown that Death must have been telling the truth that time because Jean and Phoenix became one on panel, barring a full on retcon, I don't see your point
I don't need one considering the source.
Of course you do, he's not the creator he's the editor and so far he has not edited the story so now he is just a guy talking about what he would like. Aren't you the go by feats and on panel evidence guy? Nothing on panel has suggested Death lied, so again what is your point?
That would make sense if it weren't shown that Death must have been telling the truth that time because Jean and Phoenix became one on panel, barring a full on retcon, I don't see your point
I don't need one considering the source.
Of course you do, he's not the creator he's the editor and so far he has not edited the story so now he is just a guy talking about what he would like. Aren't you the go by feats and on panel evidence guy? Nothing on panel has suggested Death lied, so again what is your point?
Not sure why that matters considering he is currently in charge of a story concerning the Phoenix, so what he would like is what will actually happen. Sure, I like on-panel evidence but the creator/writer/editor's word always takes precedence over that. It's like........on-panel evidence is C-canon, and Brevoort's word is G-canon.
That would make sense if it weren't shown that Death must have been telling the truth that time because Jean and Phoenix became one on panel, barring a full on retcon, I don't see your point
I don't need one considering the source.
Of course you do, he's not the creator he's the editor and so far he has not edited the story so now he is just a guy talking about what he would like. Aren't you the go by feats and on panel evidence guy? Nothing on panel has suggested Death lied, so again what is your point?
Not sure why that matters considering he is currently in charge of a story concerning the Phoenix, so what he would like is what will actually happen. Sure, I like on-panel evidence but the creator/writer/editor's word always takes precedence over that. It's like........on-panel evidence is C-canon, and Brevoort's word is G-canon.
His words can't be canon until they are on panel, until then they are just words.
His story concerning the Phoenix does not even definitively state what aspect of the Phoenix we are even dealing with, there are billions of pieces unaccounted for. So we'll wait and watch, and if it all changes then the battle forum will just make a distinction beween pre retcon Phoenix and post retcon Phoenix as it does with other characters that Marvel changes. If the creators/writers/editors words are the holy grail then it should be no problem for you to accept what they said about the Phoenix being second only to the creator and being the manifestain of the creators passion, but you clearly have taken issue with those words in previous debates
Come back to the vine after the longest time to see such fallacies posted about the Phoenix Force on the site still :/
The Phoenix Force never had anything to do with Galactus's creation. All abstracts were created by the original Big Bang, which is not the Phoenix Force. It's even stated that Phoenix was born from the Big Bang. Funny that you post that scan with Reed Richards, b/c Reed actually saw the Marvel Universe get remade with the power of the Big Bang, which came from the Alien Entity, not Phoenix.
Then go back where you came from. The Phoenix is stated to many times on panel (above for example) as being the spark that starts the big bang the the big bang itself for me to entertain your attempts at low balling. There is evidence right in your face and you still spread lies. It was born in the void between states not the big bang.
I guess you'll post several different scans showing the creation of Marvel from different stories and then claiming they all are connected? You'll say the Alien entity did it, then the Infinity being, right? When the Phoenix causing and being the big bang is much more consistent canonically than what you will post.
Try reading carefully what Reed says above, the energies of creation, the Phoenix Force or what have you...translation, call it what you want it's all the same thing.
Franklin loses big time, if u didn't notice, Jean/Phoenix was the only Classic-5 mutant that ever existed, no mutant was above her not even MJJ.
And the only charecter in X-Men universe that matched her were Onslaught by having the powers of Magneto, Pr X, Nate Grey and Franklin himself and he was a match for her.
So how can Franklin take on the dark Phoenix which was even way beyond Jean/Phoenix's level??? U need to think pple bfr making a decision pple.
@guled120: Yeah. Exactly. Jean Grey isn't the Strongest Mutant, and she never will be.
That is a totally false statement. You know that Jean's powers were tremendously suppressed from the beginning because she was far too dangerous to let run her own. She has no limits whatsoever. An unbound, trained Jean Grey could possibly become a cosmic god on her own. With limitless psychic powers she could manipulate matter and energy on subatomic level and multiversal scale. She could be a PR Molecule Man 2.0.
The Phoenix is a Universal Entity. It is NOT Jean Grey.
Phoenix is a multiversal entity with universal avatars. Though it is unexplained many ways Jean and the Phoenix Force merged into one being. They refered to each other as one being even before the merge. Therefore you cannot say Phoenix is not Jean Grey because 1. they are currently the same person and 2. they can possibly have the same origin (who knows).
And hell, Nate's potential rivals that of the Phoenix Force.
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Oh and what is this scan supposed to be? An attempt to lowball her? Posting a random scan where she was in her weakest form hardly proves anything. Teen Jean would stomp this form of Jean as well. We are talking about natural abilities and potential.
@lord-parallax: Jean as in with out the power of the Phoenix, she isn't the most powerful mutant cz it is Matthew Malloy. But Jean using the power of the phoenix is completely superior to any other mutant. Jean/phoenix is a universal level bcz she always limits her powers.
Dark/Phoenix is a multiversal level proven by stating that when Dark/Phoenix rises stars get cold and universes die, Jean as dark/Phoenix was had overwhelming powers to cut any universe and that was an fraction of her capabilities.
WPOTC has complete control over time, space and reality, complete control over everything there is even tho she hasn't taped to her limits, she is omniversal level.
And btw the Phoenix Force is an omniversal entity, Nate is nowhere near it's level, not even close even if he gets Franklin's powers.
@corvin123: i hv two probs with u, just two. Jean with her own powers could become a universal at best, not a multiversal, she is like Nate Grey but much cooler. And since when is the Phoenix Force a being? She is creation itself, life itself. She isn't a being like any other.
@lord-parallax: Jean as in with out the power of the Phoenix, she isn't the most powerful mutant cz it is Matthew Malloy. But Jean using the power of the phoenix is completely superior to any other mutant. Jean/phoenix is a universal level bcz she always limits her powers.
Feats for Matthew Mallow that makes him the most powerful mutant?
Feats for normal Jean/Phoenix that make her universal? (not Dark or White just normal Phoenix)
Dark/Phoenix is a multiversal level proven by stating that when Dark/Phoenix rises stars get cold and universes die, Jean as dark/Phoenix was had overwhelming powers to cut any universe and that was an fraction of her capabilities.
Feats for Dark Phoenix that makes her multiversal?
WPOTC has complete control over time, space and reality, complete control over everything there is even tho she hasn't taped to her limits, she is omniversal level.
And btw the Phoenix Force is an omniversal entity, Nate is nowhere near it's level, not even close even if he gets Franklin's powers.
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