Adult Franklin Richards vs Phantom Stranger

Who wins this one?

No one is holding back and both are at full power

Location: Earth

Stalemate.

@jeanroygrant:

Any reason why it would be a stalemate?

Adult Franklin Richards could turn him into a mouse I feel that the Phantom Stranger wouldn't mind that too much.

Still thinking Frank should take this.

You cannot kill someone who is truly omnipotent. Stalemate.

@sync1: Who here is Omnipotent?

@Immortal777: ... PS

@sync1: PS isn't Omnipotent nor is Franklin.

@sync1 said:

@Immortal777: ... PS

Phantom Stranger is far far far away from being omnipotent. Yes is a very powerful magical entity but has so many limitations on his part its not even funny.

People tend to over-drag his connection to presence to show he is omnipotent, its far from being true. Not denying he is Presence's hand of hope, much like Spectre and The Radiant , but the only thing we have to show he is powerful is:

1. His connection with the presence.

2. His inclusion in theQuintessence

His very role is to give people hope in time of need, show them the path, he doesnt and normally cannot interfere.

He has lost to demons, Spectre, Eclipso , and Vampires lol, thats all the proof one would need to show he isnt omnipotent.

Here his battle with a low level demon (the scans were orginally posted bybeatboks1)

Gallery

Not sure if Franklin can even affect the Stranger, since he is just a man and the Stranger is an agent of God.

@Immortal777 said:

@sync1: PS isn't Omnipotent nor is Franklin.

@Killemall said:

@sync1 said:

@Immortal777: ... PS

Phantom Stranger is far far far away from being omnipotent. Yes is a very powerful magical entity but has so many limitations on his part its not even funny.

People tend to over-drag his connection to presence to show he is omnipotent, its far from being true. Not denying he is Presence's hand of hope, much like Spectre and The Radiant , but the only thing we have to show he is powerful is:

1. His connection with the presence.

2. His inclusion in theQuintessence

His very role is to give people hope in time of need, show them the path, he doesnt and normally cannot interfere.

He has lost to demons, Spectre, Eclipso , and Vampires lol, thats all the proof one would need to show he isnt omnipotent.

Here his battle with a low level demon (the scans were orginally posted bybeatboks1)

Gallery

Thanks you for correcting me. Although I still think this would end up a stalemate.

The only thing I can say for sure is Franklin cant kill the Phantom Stranger.

@sync1 said:

Thanks you for correcting me. Although I still think this would end up a stalemate.

No problem. People tend to forget why Phantom Stranger is not often used in a fight in a battle forum, the limitation on him are just too massive. Now the rules here says they are at full power, and we have absolutely no clue what a full power Phantom Stranger would be like, its not like he has ever use his powers or is even allowed to use his powers.

@Killemall:

So who do you think will win this?

@heymanjack said:

@Killemall:

So who do you think will win this?

Franklin Richards, grated Phantom Strange has far better potential than Franklin, he also has lots of limitation, no fighting feat at all to speak of etc, Franklin on the other hand has no such limitation.

Franklin Richards ftw

@heymanjacksaid:

@jeanroygrant:

Any reason why it would be a stalemate?

Phantom Stranger can't die, and he cannot hurt Franklin Richards from what i know.

@Bo88gdansaid:

Franklin Richards ftw

If the Spectre couldn't kill the Phantom Stranger, what makes you think Adult Franklin Richards can? Unless your say Adult Franklin Richards>Spectre?

Phantom stranger wins he can't die and richards is mortal

@icysloth said:

Phantom stranger wins he can't die and richards is mortal

There is evidence that Franklin is actual immortal and may actually become a cosmic abstract. Not saying he wins but I don't think he can be killed either

@Gritterr: hes adult franklin richards here not galactus richards,

@icysloth said:

@Gritterr: hes adult franklin richards here not galactus richards,

What? Read the forever story arc(specifically Fantastic four 604 and Future Foundation 17 I beleive) You need to be up to date on the latest Franklin. After Defeating the Celestials Adult Franklin and Galactus share a convo that you should read. If your lastest knowledge of Franklin is when he basically became the new Galactus you are a bit behind

@jeanroygrant said:

Phantom Stranger can't die, and he cannot hurt Franklin Richards from what i know.

If the Spectre couldn't kill the Phantom Stranger, what makes you think Adult Franklin Richards can? Unless your say Adult Franklin Richards>Spectre?

While i would have normally understood why you think Franklin vs Phantom Stranger would be a stalemate, the reasoning here sounds weird. No Franklin cant kill Phantom, neither can Spectre, nor can anyone else, he's Presence hand of Hope. That being said he doesnt have to be killed to lose a fight. The fight against Spectre, thats a loss. He lost against Eclipso during Eclipso Rising etc. Its entire possible to beat Phantom Stranger without killing him, you can knock him out, tie him up or something, turn him into a mouse etc.

@Gritterr said:

@icysloth said:

@Gritterr: hes adult franklin richards here not galactus richards,

What? Read the forever story arc(specifically Fantastic four 604 and Future Foundation 17 I beleive) You need to be up to date on the latest Franklin. After Defeating the Celestials Adult Franklin and Galactus share a convo that you should read. If your lastest knowledge of Franklin is when he basically became the new Galactus you are a bit behind

The one where Galactus acknowledge he is his servant and was happy that Franklin would be their in the last days of the universe?

@daak1212 said:

@Gritterr said:

@icysloth said:

@Gritterr: hes adult franklin richards here not galactus richards,

What? Read the forever story arc(specifically Fantastic four 604 and Future Foundation 17 I beleive) You need to be up to date on the latest Franklin. After Defeating the Celestials Adult Franklin and Galactus share a convo that you should read. If your lastest knowledge of Franklin is when he basically became the new Galactus you are a bit behind

The one where Galactus acknowledge he is his servant and was happy that Franklin would be their in the last days of the universe?

Indeed

@Killemall said:

@jeanroygrant said:

Phantom Stranger can't die, and he cannot hurt Franklin Richards from what i know.

If the Spectre couldn't kill the Phantom Stranger, what makes you think Adult Franklin Richards can? Unless your say Adult Franklin Richards>Spectre?

While i would have normally understood why you think Franklin vs Phantom Stranger would be a stalemate, the reasoning here sounds weird. No Franklin cant kill Phantom, neither can Spectre, nor can anyone else, he's Presence hand of Hope. That being said he doesnt have to be killed to lose a fight. The fight against Spectre, thats a loss. He lost against Eclipso during Eclipso Rising etc. Its entire possible to beat Phantom Stranger without killing him, you can knock him out, tie him up or something, turn him into a mouse etc.

True Story.* Wine*

Phantom Stranger is one of the few DC characters that cannot be destroyed or killed at all. That being said, Franklin may be able to affect him in other ways in win the fight.

I think it really depends on who banishes who first.

FR

Franklin Richards stomps.

PS

Yes Franklin stomps

Gee gee, your jimmies are rustled again because DC loses?

@ancient_god: already then...how does franklin win?

turn him into a rat like Spectre does in DOV, not to mention PS can't hurt him

Stranger curbstomps, I feel bad for people who think Franklin wins this. Making Galactus herald, huh? Strange can blink and Galactus would be no more.

Franklin curbstomps

Phantom Stranger