Ace vs Captain Yamamoto vs Natsu

Round 1. Hand to Hand fighting KO...

Round 2. Full Arsenal they could use all their abilities and its a fight to either death or ko...

Rules... Ace and Natsu can see Yamamoto and could touch him, no BFR, no incapacitation, victory is by KO or Death...

It's a shame You have to put in the Op They can see and touch Yama-jii because of the bleach fanboys but meh.

I don't know anything about Fairy Tail, I read it but don't really pay attention to feats or anything debate wise. If it wasn't for Ace and Natsu's abilities however, this would probably be a stomp in yama's favor. Ace can't be touched By fire, Fire doesn't hurt Natsu, and the hotter it is if he eats it he gets stronger, But then you have the fact they really can't fight Yama-jii or hurt him with fire either (He was clad in his own 15 million degree bankai flames, explained that he is to effected by the heat and still shows no pain) So this is a stalemate without BFR IMO.

@ALMIGHTY: What you mean by"They can touch Yamomoto"?

@CosmosTyrant: Well Yamamoto is a shinigami technically they wouldn't be able to see him for battle's sake they shall

as for the battle

Round 1 Yamamoto

Round 2 Yamamoto

Round 3 Yamamoto

@CerberusPrime3k: I though he was talking about Zanka No Tachi,West.

Any way yeah Old man takes it.

@CosmosTyrant said:

@ALMIGHTY: What you mean by"They can touch Yamomoto"?

Bleach fanboys like to make the argument that Shinigami are invisible and intangible, so they can't be seen or touched by things outside the Bleach universe, entirely invalidating any battles.

Even though it was shown in Bleach that anyone with even a minor amount of contact with spirits was more than aware enough to perceive and interact with them.

@CerberusPrime3k: What about Natsu's ability to absorb flames ??? And his resistance to flames...

@CosmosTyrant said:

@ALMIGHTY: What you mean by"They can touch Yamomoto"?

Bleach Fanboys like to shout since they're shinigami, they cannot be seen or touched...

So for the sake of the battle I made him visible, and touchable...

@Laurcus: If there making a thread with them in it, it shut be imply the they can see and touch eachother.

@ALMIGHTY: It actually isn't fire its his Energy resembling Fire but hey I could be wrong

also Yamamoto doesn't have to just use his Zanpakto he is very versed in Kidos

@Laurcus: If there making a thread with them in it, it shut be imply the they can see and touch eachother.

@ALMIGHTY said:

@CerberusPrime3k: What about Natsu's ability to absorb flames ??? And his resistance to flames...

Yamamoto bankai it point can destroy anything it touches.

@CerberusPrime3k: Yeah i was about to point that out too.

@CosmosTyrant: @CerberusPrime3k: In that case Yamatmoto wins...

Yamamoto wins this faaaaaaaaairly easily.

Ace vs. Natsu would be a much more interesting fight, but I think people are forgetting:

Ace can only be harmed with a plot-device in One Piece, "haki", that neither of the other two combatants possess.

Meaning nobody here can hurt Ace.

@greenteaforme said:

Yamamoto wins this faaaaaaaaairly easily.

Ace vs. Natsu would be a much more interesting fight, but I think people are forgetting:

Ace can only be harmed with a plot-device in One Piece, "haki", that neither of the other two combatants possess.

Meaning nobody here can hurt Ace.

"Fairly easily"? What you meant to say was "Yammamoto rapes them both", right? And I take it we're assuming that logia intangibility is off (or Natsu could eat Ace/Yama's flames would overpower Ace's in some sort of PIS movement).

Yama could actually drop his sword at the start of the fight and still rape them both.

Natsu can absorb flames thus becoming stronger

I'm leaning towards it

Why would you post such an unfair matchup. This might as well be an atomic bomb vs an unsuspecting pair of toothpicks. Yama has hundreds of years of fighting experience and far superior speed/power so that a fist fight with Ace and Natsu would hardly take any effort. For round two, Ace and Natsu have an even bigger disadvantage because Yamamoto can use kido to take them both out without even moving or unsheathing his zanpakuto. For those of you who are misinformed Ace can be harmed by a lot more than haki. Pretty much anything that can do damage to a fire can do damage to ace. In fact, ace was killed without his enemy needing to use haki. Excluding yamamoto, Natsu would take the other two fights. He has gotten a Ton stronger in his general hand-to-hand combat, not overwhealmingly so but just enough to barely pull out a win. He also wins round two by simply eating Ace.

Yamamoto wins with ease.

Yama doesn't win with Ease unless you can prove He can Defeat ace (due to logia intangibility) Or harm natsu (He can eat both combatants fire) This is a stalemate with Natsu possibly going down to Kido.

@solesamurai: Yamamoto doesn't need his sword to beat the life out of this 2 child's. Can you post some feat the makes Ace or Natsu psychically able to go h2h with the old man?

Is not actual fire is his reiatsu the makes it look like fire.

Logia intangibility is BS. If you take off Yamamoto's intangibility take off Ace's. Yamamoto is obviously the strongest on here.

@SpeedForceSpider said:

Logia intangibility is BS. If you take off Yamamoto's intangibility take off Ace's. Yamamoto is obviously the strongest on here.

I did not take Yamamoto's Intangibility off, I took his INVISIBILITY off because of the shinigami excuse bleach fans like to use...

And Ace's intangibility didn't help against BlackBeard and Akaianu so it's not BS Yamamoto can still tag him...

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Yamamoto solo's.

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Either way Yamamoto wins.

@SpeedForceSpider: I understand this did you read my post at all ???

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

Blackbeard can use Haki and Maggma has a elemental advantage over fire. The ONLY way to hurt anyone with a Logia type devil fruit is to either have an elemental advantage or use Haki. Bottom Line.

@CosmosTyrant said:

@solesamurai: Yamamoto doesn't need his sword to beat the life out of this 2 child's. Can you post some feat the makes Ace or Natsu psychically able to go h2h with the old man?

Is not actual fire is his reiatsu the makes it look like fire.

Fact is Ace is physically Untouchable here, and Yama is unbeatable. That's why I think it's a stalemate.

@solesamurai said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

Blackbeard can use Haki and Maggma has a elemental advantage over fire. The ONLY way to hurt anyone with a Logia type devil fruit is to either have an elemental advantage or use Haki. Bottom Line.

No.... Just No.... Who told you Black Beard could use Haki ??? He has NEVER used haki... When he fought ace he punched him in the face multiple times and never used haki when doing it...

2:10 thru 2:21 he punches him into a building, 2:34 he chops him in his face...

Also... You said Akainu was able to use an elmental advantage over him, well Yamamoto's flames are as hot as the sun, so his flames,

are stronger than even Akainu's...

Yamamoto > Ace Bottom Line...

@solesamurai said:

@CosmosTyrant said:

@solesamurai: Yamamoto doesn't need his sword to beat the life out of this 2 child's. Can you post some feat the makes Ace or Natsu psychically able to go h2h with the old man?

Is not actual fire is his reiatsu the makes it look like fire.

Fact is Ace is physically Untouchable here, and Yama is unbeatable. That's why I think it's a stalemate.

If anything Ace would fall to Natsu he would be eaten or at least rendered unable to use his powers, as for Yamamoto, Natsu would either then go on to eat his flames and annihilate him, or he would fall to kido (which is unlikely because natsu has survived Magic attacks that are far superior...), anyway, I believe Natsu wins 7/10 times, Yamamoto 3/10, Ace 0/10...

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider: I understand this did you read my post at all ???

Sure I did.

@SpeedForceSpider: Ok so no need to be redundant...

@ALMIGHTY: And no need for you to ask.

@SpeedForceSpider: ????

@ALMIGHTY: To ask if I read your post.

Yeah their was a need...

It was to inform you on my stand in this fight...

So that you don't make redundant statements like the one you made...

You probably didn't read it and are trying to cover yourself...

But if you did read it your either a troll, a fool, or a egomaniac...

@ALMIGHTY: Not Fire.

@CosmosTyrant: 15,000,000 degrees celsius speaks for its self, something cannot be that hot, or burn something to ash, without the evolvement of flames, he even says " Ashes Of The Dead Scattered By My Flames" KEYWORD FLAMES !!! You don't burn something to ash without the evolvement of flames...

Either Kubo has some major flaws in his writing or the quincy was mistaken...

@ALMIGHTY:That's how powerful his reaitsu is. The sun is not made of fire and yet its core is 27million degrees.

Ya Yamamoto should crush Ace and Natsu with ease

with in the next 3-4 chapters we will see his upper strength and his (Possible) weakness.

@CosmosTyrant: But the sun does have flames though... that burn through gasses and chemical combustion... and even if the sun doesn't have fire... Yamamoto himself says himself his Bankai involves flames as I already stated, his Bankai has nothing to do with the sun so its irrelevant anyway...

Whatever the case may be, Natsu is able to absorb not only flames but any type of HEAT, which is why he can even absorb lighting as well...

Yamamoto's Bankai either way wether its flames or pure heat will be absorbed/eaten by Natsu... Which will send him over the edge...

@ALMIGHTY said:

@solesamurai said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

Blackbeard can use Haki and Maggma has a elemental advantage over fire. The ONLY way to hurt anyone with a Logia type devil fruit is to either have an elemental advantage or use Haki. Bottom Line.

No.... Just No.... Who told you Black Beard could use Haki ??? He has NEVER used haki... When he fought ace he punched him in the face multiple times and never used haki when doing it...

2:10 thru 2:21 he punches him into a building, 2:34 he chops him in his face...

Also... You said Akainu was able to use an elmental advantage over him, well Yamamoto's flames are as hot as the sun, so his flames,

are stronger than even Akainu's...

Yamamoto > Ace Bottom Line...

Dont know if this was already stated but BB fruit allows him to

1. Draw in objects with gravity

2. Cancel Fruit powers with touch <- Something that can not be done by anyone else

So h2h logic of BB over Ace is very flawed

but ya Yamamoto Still wins

@ALMIGHTY said:

@CosmosTyrant: But the sun does have flames though... that burn through gasses and chemical combustion... and even if the sun doesn't have fire... Yamamoto himself says himself his Bankai involves flames as I already stated, his Bankai has nothing to do with the sun so its irrelevant anyway...

Whatever the case may be, Natsu is able to absorb not only flames but any type of HEAT, which is why he can even absorb lighting as well...

Yamamoto's Bankai either way wether its flames or pure heat will be absorbed/eaten by Natsu... Which will send him over the edge...

two points i want to add

1. Slayer magic only allows the consumption of the users respective element, so to say he absorbs lighthing is false as he would absorb the heat emitted from the lightning

2. Would ether the consumption of Ace's or Yamamoto's flame be enough to force a Dragon force? and if so would that push him to a better chance of victory?

@ALMIGHTY said:

@solesamurai said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

Blackbeard can use Haki and Maggma has a elemental advantage over fire. The ONLY way to hurt anyone with a Logia type devil fruit is to either have an elemental advantage or use Haki. Bottom Line.

No.... Just No.... Who told you Black Beard could use Haki ??? He has NEVER used haki... When he fought ace he punched him in the face multiple times and never used haki when doing it...

2:10 thru 2:21 he punches him into a building, 2:34 he chops him in his face...

Also... You said Akainu was able to use an elmental advantage over him, well Yamamoto's flames are as hot as the sun, so his flames,

are stronger than even Akainu's...

Yamamoto > Ace Bottom Line...

If Blackbeard was actually able to hit ace without Haki then that's an inconsistency with what the Manga has stated multiple times. Ace losing to BB was also PIS and pure plot if you think about it. Akainu's Devil fruit is Magma which has elemental advantages over fire. Fire cannot kill fire only enhance it. Yama would not be able to kill Ace with Flames nor Natsu. Natsu goes down first, then ace probably loses to Kido, but Yama cannot physically hit ace it's impossible.

@Monarch_Chronicle said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@solesamurai said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

Blackbeard can use Haki and Maggma has a elemental advantage over fire. The ONLY way to hurt anyone with a Logia type devil fruit is to either have an elemental advantage or use Haki. Bottom Line.

No.... Just No.... Who told you Black Beard could use Haki ??? He has NEVER used haki... When he fought ace he punched him in the face multiple times and never used haki when doing it...

2:10 thru 2:21 he punches him into a building, 2:34 he chops him in his face...

Also... You said Akainu was able to use an elmental advantage over him, well Yamamoto's flames are as hot as the sun, so his flames,

are stronger than even Akainu's...

Yamamoto > Ace Bottom Line...

Dont know if this was already stated but BB fruit allows him to

1. Draw in objects with gravity

2. Cancel Fruit powers with touch <- Something that can not be done by anyone else

So h2h logic of BB over Ace is very flawed

but ya Yamamoto Still wins

I also completely forgot Teach can cancel Devil fruit powers by touching people.

@Monarch_Chronicle: Absorption of heat that is 150,000,000 celsius + Ace's flames would be more than enough to send him over the edge, and give him astounding amounts of energy that would allow him to mop the floor with them...

As for eating lighting natsu indeed does eat lightining not just the heat from it but the element itself, this is how he preforms "Lighting Flame Dragon Magic"... Don't believe me ??? http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Flame_Dragon_Mode

Natsu can absorb ANY form of heat, and lighting...

@solesamurai said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@solesamurai said:

@ALMIGHTY said:

@SpeedForceSpider said:

@ALMIGHTY: Can't logia people be hit using Haki? Either way Yamamoto wins.

Haki helps, but as I said, Black Beard and Akainu have BOTH tagged Ace without using Haki, Blackbeard hit him with his bare hand many times...

Yamamoto can easily replicate what they did tenfold, so as I was saying I didn't make anything "unfair tangibility"

Blackbeard can use Haki and Maggma has a elemental advantage over fire. The ONLY way to hurt anyone with a Logia type devil fruit is to either have an elemental advantage or use Haki. Bottom Line.

No.... Just No.... Who told you Black Beard could use Haki ??? He has NEVER used haki... When he fought ace he punched him in the face multiple times and never used haki when doing it...

2:10 thru 2:21 he punches him into a building, 2:34 he chops him in his face...

Also... You said Akainu was able to use an elmental advantage over him, well Yamamoto's flames are as hot as the sun, so his flames,

are stronger than even Akainu's...

Yamamoto > Ace Bottom Line...

If Blackbeard was actually able to hit ace without Haki then that's an inconsistency with what the Manga has stated multiple times. Ace losing to BB was also PIS and pure plot if you think about it. Akainu's Devil fruit is Magma which has elemental advantages over fire. Fire cannot kill fire only enhance it. Yama would not be able to kill Ace with Flames nor Natsu. Natsu goes down first, then ace probably loses to Kido, but Yama cannot physically hit ace it's impossible.

??? Natsu doesn't need to kill ace with flames, he will just eat him entirely that's what natsu does to flames/heat...

If Ace is still alive after all his Fire is gone, he will be beaten down physically or burned to a crisp...

As for Yamamoto he will suffer the same fate as well but he has kido and H2H fighting to back him up when he loses his flames...

Ace will be the first to fall he relies ONLY on his flames, and Natsu will strip him of it, and then beat his ass with his fist...

@ALMIGHTY said:

@Monarch_Chronicle: Absorption of heat that is 150,000,000 celsius + Ace's flames would be more than enough to send him over the edge, and give him astounding amounts of energy that would allow him to mop the floor with them...

As for eating lighting natsu indeed does eat lightining not just the heat from it but the element itself, this is how he preforms "Lighting Flame Dragon Magic"... Don't believe me ??? http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Flame_Dragon_Mode

Natsu can absorb ANY form of heat, and lighting...

sorry but i dont feel like arguing so dont take my points to heart

1. idk where u got 150,000,000 from but i have seen no evidence that would support that the quality of the "energy" consumed directly effects his dragon force ie. if 15000 vs 1500000 has any difference in his resulting power level. If you believe so plz support it.

2. for sake of argument , state why dragon force would over whelm two characters that can not be hurt for multiple of reasons <- i can list if u need clarification (and not its not the old shinigami excuse)

3. your point about lightning(while gratefully made and proven) is irrevavant as nether of this characters use lightning bases attacks, gain though just through up a scan if this is not the case