Ace [One Piece] vs. Human Torch

• Johnny can't go Nova.
• No BFR
• Morals on
• Random Encounter
• The fight is in Hawaii near a volcano.

Ends in flaming hot uncomfortable sex.

I say either Johnny or stalemate.

Ace punches him once he realizes fire won't work. Common sense says his strength is at least superior to post Alabasta Luffy.

Johnny stomps. He's not getting tagged due to the flight advantage and he could simply absorb all the fire from Ace or bombard him with temps too hot for him to handle. Hell that's how Akainu beat Ace..

Summit War Spoilers: Akainu beat Ace by punching a hole through his stomach with haki, he never bombarded him with flames and there's no proof that fire can harm Ace at all. A flight advantage can be countered by Ace being too fast for Johnny to react to. In Alabasta he was shot at with a pistol from close range, grabbed a nearby pebble, and threw the pebble at the bullet to stop it. I don't even think Johnny is a bullet timer, let alone capable of treating bullets like that. He also took down all of Magellan's guards while half-dead when they had weapons trained on him, while handcuffed, using his teeth and feet.

At the end of the day, Ace is too physically imposing. He's not at all apposed to using his fists, as his fight with Blackbeard showed, and when he realizes fire won't work he'll just jump up and blitz Johnny.

@nickzambuto: It should also be noted that Luffy comments on how he never defeated Ace in a single fight, despite Luffy already having the power of the Gomu Gomu no Mi (Ace did not consume the Mera Mera no Mi until after he left: Luffy was surprised by Ace's new power when Ace stopped Smoker from capturing him in Nanohana). Ace was trained by Garp, who had hoped to turn him into a fine Marine, and possibly Dadan, the two of whom were responsible for training Luffy to the level of power he had.

@nickzambuto

Akainu beat Ace by punching a hole through his stomach with haki, he never bombarded him with flames and there's no proof that fire can harm Ace at all.

It was a magma empowered punch that did him in, and before that when he clashed with Akainu he was burned as a result.

A flight advantage can be countered by Ace being too fast for Johnny to react to. In Alabasta he was shot at with a pistol from close range, grabbed a nearby pebble, and threw the pebble at the bullet to stop it. I don't even think Johnny is a bullet timer, let alone capable of treating bullets like that.

Johnny's actually burned bullets after they've been fired and dodged lightspeed particle beams..nevermind how fast he's been shown to fly. Dude has created tornadoes that were so strong even Namor couldn't fight them and kept up with spaceships and Silver Surfer. Not to mention achieved escape velocity as he's left the Earth's atmosphere. Ace doesn't hold a speed advantage to him..

At the end of the day, Ace is too physically imposing. He's not at all apposed to using his fists, as his fight with Blackbeard showed, and when he realizes fire won't work he'll just jump up and blitz Johnny.

He's not..and Johnny can again just make the area around him too hot for Ace to handle(he's revved up to 2 million degrees without breaking a sweat). Johnny's also tanked hits from Namor, Annihulus, and Terminus so it's not like he'll get oneshotted even if Ace could land a single blow.

It wasn't the heat that did Ace in it was the elemental superiority of Magma > Fire

So Ace can win this.

Aces pyrokinesis wont work because johnny has a higher output but of he punches johnny once his head is flying off

Stalemate or Johnny.

Anything to prove this?

@juiceboks: And who's to say it wasn't imbued with haki? The entire arc had logias getting punched and the audience was just supposed to assume it was haki each time. Besides, it's hardly a common occurrence for Johnny to nuke his enemy the instant the battle starts. Ace would have punched his head off before then; I'm gonna go ahead and say tanking hits from Namor and Co. is PIS, unless there's some context besides that. Johnny is barely a peak human, let alone a 100 tonner. What do you mean by burn bullets? Did he intercept the bullets with a beam or just heat up his body or something? Regardless, Ace is still definitely too fast for him. He was blitzing peak humans as a child, let alone now.

@nickzambuto: ide from the powers granted by the Devil Fruit he consumed, Ace possessed immense physical strength. Signs of his great physical potential were already evident at his early childhood, where he was able to beat some local thugs who spoke ill of his father "half to death", and was also shown sitting on top of a huge animal (possibly a bull) he killed with his staff, during his first meeting with Luffy. Also later on the same day he was shown to easily break a giant tree with ease.

@nickzambuto

And who's to say it wasn't imbued with haki?

Because it wasn't solely a physical attack and Akainu even says that his DF element is stronger than Ace's. Even if it was imbued with haki, he was still burned. Which means there are temps that Ace can't withstand.

Besides, it's hardly a common occurrence for Johnny to nuke his enemy the instant the battle starts.

I never said he would. But his usual go to attack for dealing with fire type enemies is to drain them. Roasting his enemy till they pass out is also a fairly simple and common tactic for him to do. Same with drawing out the moisture in an area to suffocate his enemy. He's done both to Hulk, She-Hulk, and Namor. No reason why wouldn't use it here.

I'm gonna go ahead and say tanking hits from Namor and Co. is PIS, unless there's some context besides that. Johnny is barely a peak human, let alone a 100 tonner

Why is it PIS? Because his wiki puts his durability at peak human? Considering who he's fought over the years, that makes very little sense. I'm not saying he's as durable as half the characters he fights, but he's no glass cannon who can't take more damage than Batman.

What do you mean by burn bullets? Did he intercept the bullets with a beam or just heat up his body or something?

He heated up the area directly around him IIRC.

Regardless, Ace is still definitely too fast for him. He was blitzing peak humans as a child, let alone now.

Peak humans can't reach escape velocity and fly around lasers like they're not even there. So I don't see how this is relevant. Even if Ace was faster than Johnny, he can't move faster than Johnny can think. And that's all he needs to do to activate his powers and go as hot as he wants. He's reached Nova intensity flames almost instantly in the past..

Johny burns him.

Sorry ace :(

nope, the temp doesnt matter, what matters is the element

http://abload.de/img/akainuzxsuw.png

by op-logic lava > fire, because of this akainu was able to affect aces logia form in the first place and negate his elemental-intangibility so he simply burnt a normal body (its the same effect haki would have on a logia), if you attack ace with a flamethrower with the same temp as the lava nothing would happen.

I just double checked the fight, and, as said, it was magma's superiority to fire that allowed Akainu to burn Ace, not the fact that he was simply hotter. So still, no evidence that Ace can be burned.

About Johnny, assuming he is as durable as Batman, that doesn't excuse him from tanking hits from 100 tonners. It's ludicrous to think Human Torch is able to survive such strong hits, I'm sorry to say but he IS a glass cannon. He's throwing around super novas with the durability of a peak human, it's just that simple. You showed a scan of him heating up to the equivalent of a nuclear blast in a desperate situation. Again, considering Ace can oneshot him without PIS, he won't have time to reach that level of desperation. It's not in character for Human Torch to just go super nova the instant he's in a fight, that's a silly argument. Besides, don't forget that Ace contributed one half to an island busting attack, that's a helluva lot stronger than a nuke, so Johnny still wouldn't be hotter than him regardless.

Heating up the area around just takes a snap reaction, just the fact that he could react to the bullets is impressive, but it doesn't make him a quarter as fast as Ace who battled Jinbei to a stalemate. You should know that travel speed doesn't equal combat speed, Human Torch's reflexes are what matters here and sadly they are not enough.

Even ignoring magma's superiority to fire and the possibility of haki, the only way Human Torch could defeat Ace is by powering up to the point where he endangers the life around him. There's no reason to believe that Ace, some guy he's never met, would spurn him with such fury that he'd go full power as soon as the fight starts. Really, after realizing his fire fist isn't doing any good, Ace can speedblitz Johnny.

bump

Stalemate its just like adding fire to a fire

Yea cause heat by itself is going to kill a guy who IS the fire element. . makes a lot of sense.

Stalemate or Ace.

Stalemate

bump

ace

Logia powers are intangible here. Jonny can't harm him, unless with supernova but I doubt it since Ace can do this as well ;

This is more like stalemate.

Last bump since this has become a stalemate.