Accelerator Vs Juggernaut

Round 1

• No Prep
• Full Knowledge Of Each Other
• In-Character
• Bloodlust Off
• Stand Distance Is 120 Feet
• Win By KO/BFR/Incap

Round 2

• No Prep
• Random Encounter
• No Knowledge
• In-Character
• Bloodlust On
• Stand Distance Is 70 Feet
• Depowered Versions Of Characters
• Win By KO/Death/BFR

Location

@hellionvulcan@deathhero61@cable_extreme@overlordarhas

Round 1: Accelerator, unless you have feats of juggs utilzing prep at intelligent levels.

Round 2: Accelerator, due to the fact that all that fought him who had no knowledge of him lost with the exception of touma.

What is Accelerators power ? never heard of said character .

@hellionvulcan: Accelerator

Accelerator powers are that he can control all form of Vector.Accelerator powers work on Bullets,Bombs,Nukes,Magic,Lightning,UV Rays and others.

Accelerator!

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@homicidalmaniac:

Round One is a Spite Match, Accelerator at full power (White Wings) has beaten Fiamma of the Right with ease, a man who has the power of the right hand of God. Fiamma's power the Holy Right simply defeats whatever it targets with the precise amount of force needed, no more no less. Touma desribes Fiamma’s power to having a "defeat" option in an RPG among the usual commands of "fight", "defend", "magic", and "item". Touma goes onto saying the Holy Right ignores its enemies actions and simply crushes them regardless.

Also Accelerator, manifesting his Wings and dub as "The One Who Wields the Power of God" can understand things that are unknown, he can easily know how Juggs power works and device a plan to defeat him.

Round Two is 50/50, it can go either way.

@overlordarhas: I want to make another Accelerator thread.But I have no idea which Manga/Anime or Comic character I should put against him.

IDK either, but don't put him against Superman, the Butt Hurt at Superman losing will be bad. LOZ!

@overlordarhas: How about Accelerator Vs Obito or Accelerator Vs White Beard

Dunno about Accelerator so I won't get too deep. But I need to note something. Just because you know how something works doesn't mean you can stop it. We know how hurricanes work. All we can do when one shows up is nail the windows shut and hope for the best. Assuming we go with logic and this is classic Juggernaut, unless this guy can remove Cain's helmet and brain screw him at best he can stalemate.

Here is how knowing how Jugg's powers work will help Accelerator defeat him.

*I will use your example*

1. He may not have to remove Jugg's helmet to defeat him. IIRC, the Helmet protects him from psychic attack, Accelerator can simply manipulate Juggs bio electric signal to shut his mind.

2. It the Helmet is trouble, he can remove it by reversing what is holding it.

3. He can also reverse juggs blood flow if he is not immune to it.

4. If he wants to play with Juggs, he can reflect the power of Juggs punch back at him.

Side note:

If he is faced with a hurricane, he can simply use his Vector manipulation to reverse the flow of wind.

@homicidalmaniac: or aizen lol

@overlordarhas: i don't know about accelerator but,

"4. If he wants to play with Juggs, he can reflect the power of Juggs punch back at him."

juggs main power is to be unstoppable. once in motion, juggernaught cannot be stopped. The power of Infinite momentum. unless vectors power is ^ that of cyttorak...?

I do not know about how UNSTOPPABLE he is but can he still attack if he is knock in the air?

Also, Accelerator's Vector Shield according to him can survive the blast, shock wave, heat, and radiation of a nuke with no foreseeable problem, and we are talking about his un-winged version.

@overlordarhas: you don't know how unstoppable he is? try exactly unstoppable. he's used his momentum to push through dimentions before.

And juggernaught cannot be harmed by physical attacks, but he was reduced to a skeleton twice...

..and kept on fighting

So, I am not too familiar with the manga character, some people are saying he can win. What exactly can he do to kill or bfr Juggs?

@cable_extreme: he controls the movement if objects moving towards him(if you want I can post feats). The only person that I recall beating him was a character who could negate abilities with his hand.

Would you say he is more powerful than the Cyttorak?

@cable_extreme: Accelerator is nowhere near Cyttorak, but I do think Accelerator can beat Juggs

Well, the stuff Juggs does is crazy, for example, Jean gray picks him up with her telekinetic powers to keep him from moving forward, he started walking in the air towards her. I don't see how "trying" to control Juggs speed will make him lose. He has only ever been stopped once and he was versing WWH.

Juggs should win actually. Don't see Accelerator bypassing his forcefield, nonetheless his durability.

@cable_extreme: IF I recall WWH didn't stop him. He let Juggernaut push at him then moved and let Juggernauts momentum push him into a bfr.

I doubt he can do most of that. 1,3, 4 I would bet money on. 2 I dunno. It seems hard to remove but it has been done so...

Juggernaut if fighting to win at the best of his ability is almost unbeatable. But he falls into the same problems as Thor. He shuts down his forcefield and brawls and even then loses to bfr and telepathy or plot device.

1. There is no proof that Bio Electric could be shut down if he has the helmet on

2. The helmet is protected by magic.

3. Juggernaut has a healing factor, he can't die by reversing the flow.

4. That will not stop Juggernaut momentum.

He can only beat Juggernaut by removing the helmet or BFR.

Accelerator's Vector ability is limited only by the amount of calculation he can make, with White or Black Wings on, his calculation speed is near infinite.

Accelerator has stated that as long as he has experienced it, he can analyze forces unknown to him as long as his body has been in contact with it, by following the vectors that have been applied (almost similar to a vaccine shot's case).

As for magic, he can also analyze it by using his vectors as he has done mimicking Index's spell.

At the end of the light novel, he is turned to an artificial angel, a level 6 that is said to rival the power of God.

@overlordarhas said:

@superbot400 said:

1. There is no proof that Bio Electric could be shut down if he has the helmet on

2. The helmet is protected by magic.

3. Juggernaut has a healing factor, he can't die by reversing the flow.

4. That will not stop Juggernaut momentum.

He can only beat Juggernaut by removing the helmet or BFR.

Accelerator's Vector ability is limited only by the amount of calculation he can make, with White or Black Wings on, his calculation speed is near infinite.

Accelerator has stated that as long as he has experienced it, he can analyze forces unknown to him as long as his body has been in contact with it, by following the vectors that have been applied (almost similar to a vaccine shot's case).

As for magic, he can also analyze it by using his vectors as he has done mimicking Index's spell.

At the end of the light novel, he is turned to an artificial angel, a level 6 that is said to rival the power of God.

How powerful is the God of Accelerator's series suppose to be, then? Like I said before the helmet prevents people going into his head. Psonic/psychic powers in Marvel is just bio-electric power too. Psychic also have the power to shut down Juggernaut's brain, but they can't do that unless they remove the helmet.

He can't really control Cytorrak's power aganist Cytorrak's will, or negation powers like Magik/Thor does. His powers can't really kill Juggernaut, there is no way Cytorrak will let Accelator touch them. He has to remove the helmet or BFR.

@overlordarhas: @cooldes: Juggs has been stopped a couple times. He was stopped and tossed miles when Hulk was War Hulk. He was pushing Hulk back and Hulk STOPPED HIM and tossed him. Then recently Captain Universe knocked Juggs out. Neither of those people are Cytorak level.

@overlordarhas: Except that it's not a true BFR. He wasn't knocked off world or to another continent or anything. If plot didn't interfere he would have simply came back to the fight and continued on with the Hulk. Since plot protection isn't here, unless Accelerator can somehow BFR him out of the solar system then it's a win for Cain or a draw .

And a draw is only because I don't know how/if Accelerator can play keep away. If he can't well Juggernaut was not called unstoppable for nothing.

Also if Blob has ever even hurt Cain, it would be news to me.

War Hulk had Celestial technology which could bypass Juggernaut powers. Captain Universe didn't actually "stop" Juggernaut, he could only knock Juggernaut temporarily. Even then Uni-power is universal force that is pretty much on scale of Silver Surfer, Quasar powers.

Even WWH could stop Juggernaut with force, he had to redirect Juggernaut.

@risingbean:Would you consider this a BFR against Juggs

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Juggs can't do anything to Accelerator. Accelerator may or may not have the power to hurt Juggs, I'm leaning toward possibly not.

Juggs gets BFR'd.

@homicidalmaniac:

Wow, forgot to mention the wings composition is similar or dark matter itself. LOLZ.

@superbot400: War Hulk had Celestial technology which could bypass Juggernaut powers

I just looked at the scans,. It says the Celestial tech supercedes not bypass.

Captain Universe didn't actually "stop" Juggernaut, he could only knock Juggernaut temporarily

Juggs was KOéd and unconscious. A KO is a win according to the OP

Even then Uni-power is universal force that is pretty much on scale of Silver Surfer, Quasar powers

People are saying the only way you can stop Juggs is if you are more powerful then Cytorak. I'm just showing that is untrue

Even WWH could stop Juggernaut with force, he had to redirect Juggernaut

WWH did stop Juggs. Look up the scans. Juggs was NOT pushing Hulk backwards. If neither was moving forward that means Juggs was stopped

@overlordarhas: I do hope Index III anime will come out in 2014

Why not put aganist Jojo Bizzare adventure characters since there are characters who could counter Accelerator's hax like Gold Experience Requirm, or characters who manipulate everything in a high scale like the Silver Surfer/Orion so they can counter Accelerator's ability to manipulate vectors.

Juggs can be stopped. Just putting that out there. If I recall directly, both WWH and WH have done it. Accelarator should take this no problem.

@pooty: iirc he was pushing wwh back...

@cooldes: just Google the scans. you will see them standing still

I just looked at the scans,. It says the Celestial tech supercedes not bypass.

My point is that Accelator can't take advantage of that because Celestial technology was what allow Hulk to do that. It's not something that was done by pure force.

Juggs was KOéd and unconscious. A KO is a win according to the OP

How does Accelator match something like the Uni-power. Captain Universe doing it is a outlier in the same sense Onsalught ripping Juggernaut's

People are saying the only way you can stop Juggs is if you are more powerful then Cytorak. I'm just showing that is untrue

It's irrelevant because Accelerator has to be on Captain Universe, War Hulk's celestial technology for it to work.

WWH did stop Juggs. Look up the scans. Juggs was NOT pushing Hulk backwards. If neither was moving forward that means Juggs was stopped

That scene was intentionally ambiguously and slatemate there was no clear winner, there is no proof that Juggernaut wouldn't regain his momentum. Gage who write the story didn't give people a clear answer on who won. It's similar to Godblast vs Juggernaut scene where the writer didn't give a clear conclusion if Godblast could stop the Juggernaut(it was only enough to push momentarily backwards).

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Hell it's ambiogous rather that was a test of strength, or Juggernaut actually moving. Writer didn't tell people won because of the flame wars.

IIRC doesn't Accelerator's shield change the momentum of things rather than bring it to a complete stop?

If so, Juggs punches will be ineffective.

Yup, redirection. More accurately his AIM Dispersion Shield. A passive ability similar to Itachi's Yata Mirror.

Maybe Fantomex? :)

@homicidalmaniac: If he didn't sit there smiling like an idiot for 30 seconds? Sure. But Juggs can put up his area forcefield and nix it. So no anime/DBZ stalling. Which btw is one of the main reasons I hate anime. They sit there and dumb it down/explain the F****** obvious with endless internal monologue exposition. Arrrgh.

@superbot400: Jojo characters would stomp him. They're on a whole other level, especially characters like Giorno and Enrico. How would Accelerator even be able to compete with GER?

@risingbean: Said:

IF I recall WWH didn't stop him. He let Juggernaut push at him then moved and let Juggernauts momentum push him into a bfr.

It was War Hulk, he stopped Juggs with the celestial tech he wore

Ah, ok. Yeah that was one issue I never owned. At best I have seen a few scans.

Let me just say this.. Accelerator's vector control is near infinity with his white wings.. and he can control any vector that he can calculate.. some say that juggernaut is unstoppable, but has been stopped 2 times as i was reading the forum.. Accelerator's ability as i said is vector control, not force field to stop something.. example, if a rock is flying at you at supersonic speed, accelerator don't use an invisible force to stop it, rather, he uses his vector control to CHANGE the speed and direction of that rock.. the rock is traveling at let's say 100,000 mph.. he changes the vector/value of that 100k mph to 1 mph or lower.. that's how he stops it.. same would be applied to stopping juggs..

@haiken: Seem you know about A Certain Magical Index(To Aru Majutsu No Index)