Abraxas vs. Zoom

Ironically, I read the Abraxas saga today. Honestly Abraxas does not do that much on panel. He was supposedly spawned  in the centre of Eternity, and he existed as his opposite, the embodiment of total destruction. Now, two points are crucial against Zoom: 

i) Can he exist outside time, and space and
ii) Does physical damage affect him?
 
Considering that the Ultimate Nullifier had to be employed, in order for the damage he had caused to be repaired, and his supposed superiority even to beings like Eternity (and Galactus, he slaughtered numerous versions of him, after all), I believe it would be more logical to say Abraxas is an abstract entity, as well, but can also manifest into a corporeal body, if necessary. Since no one actually managed to physically harm him in the story, it is uncertain what pain, if any Zoom's punches would cause him.
 
In truth, based on stature alone, Abraxas has Zoom outclassed by millions.

" 

Ironically, I read the Abraxas saga today. Honestly Abraxas does not do that much on panel. He was supposedly spawned  in the centre of Eternity, and he existed as his opposite, the embodiment of total destruction. Now, two points are crucial against Zoom: 

i) Can he exist outside time, and space and
ii) Does physical damage affect him?
 
Considering that the Ultimate Nullifier had to be employed, in order for the damage he had caused to be repaired, and his supposed superiority even to beings like Eternity (and Galactus, he slaughtered numerous versions of him, after all), I believe it would be more logical to say Abraxas is an abstract entity, as well, but can also manifest into a corporeal body, if necessary. Since no one actually managed to physically harm him in the story, it is uncertain what pain, if any Zoom's punches would cause him.
 
In truth, based on stature alone, Abraxas has Zoom outclassed by millions.

"

" @Morpheus_ said:

" 

Ironically, I read the Abraxas saga today. Honestly Abraxas does not do that much on panel. He was supposedly spawned  in the centre of Eternity, and he existed as his opposite, the embodiment of total destruction. Now, two points are crucial against Zoom: 

i) Can he exist outside time, and space and
ii) Does physical damage affect him?
 
Considering that the Ultimate Nullifier had to be employed, in order for the damage he had caused to be repaired, and his supposed superiority even to beings like Eternity (and Galactus, he slaughtered numerous versions of him, after all), I believe it would be more logical to say Abraxas is an abstract entity, as well, but can also manifest into a corporeal body, if necessary. Since no one actually managed to physically harm him in the story, it is uncertain what pain, if any Zoom's punches would cause him.
 
In truth, based on stature alone, Abraxas has Zoom outclassed by millions.

"

This is one of the biggest mismatches I've ever seen on this site. Now, I still think that Vance is a great debater and I have a ton of respect for him, but this was obviously done out of spite or for personal amusement. "

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" 

Ironically, I read the Abraxas saga today. Honestly Abraxas does not do that much on panel. He was supposedly spawned  in the centre of Eternity, and he existed as his opposite, the embodiment of total destruction. Now, two points are crucial against Zoom: 

i) Can he exist outside time, and space and
ii) Does physical damage affect him?
 
Considering that the Ultimate Nullifier had to be employed, in order for the damage he had caused to be repaired, and his supposed superiority even to beings like Eternity (and Galactus, he slaughtered numerous versions of him, after all), I believe it would be more logical to say Abraxas is an abstract entity, as well, but can also manifest into a corporeal body, if necessary. Since no one actually managed to physically harm him in the story, it is uncertain what pain, if any Zoom's punches would cause him.
 
In truth, based on stature alone, Abraxas has Zoom outclassed by millions.

"

This is one of the biggest mismatches I've ever seen on this site. Now, I still think that Vance is a great debater and I have a ton of respect for him, but this was obviously done out of spite or for personal amusement. "

my thoughts exactly. i had to double check who created the thread. "

" @CAPiTA said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" 

Ironically, I read the Abraxas saga today. Honestly Abraxas does not do that much on panel. He was supposedly spawned  in the centre of Eternity, and he existed as his opposite, the embodiment of total destruction. Now, two points are crucial against Zoom: 

i) Can he exist outside time, and space and
ii) Does physical damage affect him?
 
Considering that the Ultimate Nullifier had to be employed, in order for the damage he had caused to be repaired, and his supposed superiority even to beings like Eternity (and Galactus, he slaughtered numerous versions of him, after all), I believe it would be more logical to say Abraxas is an abstract entity, as well, but can also manifest into a corporeal body, if necessary. Since no one actually managed to physically harm him in the story, it is uncertain what pain, if any Zoom's punches would cause him.
 
In truth, based on stature alone, Abraxas has Zoom outclassed by millions.

"

This is one of the biggest mismatches I've ever seen on this site. Now, I still think that Vance is a great debater and I have a ton of respect for him, but this was obviously done out of spite or for personal amusement. "

my thoughts exactly. i had to double check who created the thread. "

 
To both of you. Vance had no knowledge whatsoever on either of them, hence the creation of the thread. "

" @CAPiTA said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" 

Ironically, I read the Abraxas saga today. Honestly Abraxas does not do that much on panel. He was supposedly spawned  in the centre of Eternity, and he existed as his opposite, the embodiment of total destruction. Now, two points are crucial against Zoom: 

i) Can he exist outside time, and space and
ii) Does physical damage affect him?
 
Considering that the Ultimate Nullifier had to be employed, in order for the damage he had caused to be repaired, and his supposed superiority even to beings like Eternity (and Galactus, he slaughtered numerous versions of him, after all), I believe it would be more logical to say Abraxas is an abstract entity, as well, but can also manifest into a corporeal body, if necessary. Since no one actually managed to physically harm him in the story, it is uncertain what pain, if any Zoom's punches would cause him.
 
In truth, based on stature alone, Abraxas has Zoom outclassed by millions.

"

This is one of the biggest mismatches I've ever seen on this site. Now, I still think that Vance is a great debater and I have a ton of respect for him, but this was obviously done out of spite or for personal amusement. "

my thoughts exactly. i had to double check who created the thread. "

 
To both of you. Vance had no knowledge whatsoever on either of them, hence the creation of the thread. "

" That was a big risk then on his part............. "

ohh, makes sense now. i wasn't downplaying him. it was just confusing. i thought it was a spite, lol. "

" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" That was a big risk then on his part............. "

I don't think Vance cares for such things, really.
 
@CAPiTA said:

ohh, makes sense now. i wasn't downplaying him. it was just confusing. i thought it was a spite, lol. "

I don't believe he makes spite threads, anyway. He hasn't read a comic with either of them in it; seeing the great respect Zoom gets from 95% of the people in these forums, and with Abraxas not being exactly what we would call "popular" for his abilities to be well known, it was not a hard mistake to make. "

People are quick to call spite.Like spite doesn't have anything to do with motive.I don't have any feelings toward any of these characters.I don't know who or what Abraxas is and I wanted to gauge his abilities against someone who usually wins here in battle forums.I didn't read the bios that I posted I only posted them because it's battle forum rules now.I didn't read them because i've tried to debate based on a bio and I was proven to not have all the info.

" People are quick to call spite.Like spite doesn't have anything to do with motive.I don't have any feelings toward any of these characters.I don't know who or what Abraxas is and I wanted to gauge his abilities against someone who usually wins here in battle forums.I didn't read the bios that I posted I only posted them because it's battle forum rules now.I didn't read them because i've tried to debate based on a bio and I was proven to not have all the info. "

"People are quick to call spite.Like spite doesn't have anything to do with motive.I don't have any feelings toward any of these characters.I don't know who or what Abraxas is and I wanted to gauge his abilities against someone who usually wins here in battle forums.I didn't read the bios that I posted I only posted them because it's battle forum rules now.I didn't read them because i've tried to debate based on a bio and I was proven to not have all the info. "

" @Vance Astro said:

"People are quick to call spite.Like spite doesn't have anything to do with motive.I don't have any feelings toward any of these characters.I don't know who or what Abraxas is and I wanted to gauge his abilities against someone who usually wins here in battle forums.I didn't read the bios that I posted I only posted them because it's battle forum rules now.I didn't read them because i've tried to debate based on a bio and I was proven to not have all the info. "

Don't sweat it man "

Abraxas blinks
 
Zoom dies

" People are quick to call spite.Like spite doesn't have anything to do with motive.I don't have any feelings toward any of these characters.I don't know who or what Abraxas is and I wanted to gauge his abilities against someone who usually wins here in battle forums.I didn't read the bios that I posted I only posted them because it's battle forum rules now.I didn't read them because i've tried to debate based on a bio and I was proven to not have all the info. "

"Abraxas blinks  Zoom dies "

"Abraxas blinks  Zoom dies "

Abraxas

in a stomp

Wow. Vance made this thread? 0_o

Abraxas in an unholy murderstomp.

Outside of showing how painfully bad Vance was back in the day, bumping a mismatch is against the rules.

@akz: LMFAOO