Just off my mind.
They have info on each other and prep for 5 minutes.
Use of imagination on the potential of their perspective abilities is OK so no blind focus on just feats alone as some characters have never been in a situation where they might have needed to do the feats other characters did.
Aang Vs Edward Elric Vs Crystal Vs Storm
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Thanks. Ed's ability to create metal weapons could make him more dangerous if he can get upclose but I think he will have hard time being able to get close to any of these elementals who can all fly and can deflect his projectiles with air and/or earth (for Aang and Crystal), and his metal creations can be destroyed by lightning, air, fire or earth (or shattered with water and temperature manipulation). Aang and Crystal could open up the earth and BFR him that way or Storm could BFR him via her winds. I think a morals off Aang (I am assuming his avatar state is available) would beat Crystal, and that he and Storm would be the last one's to battle, and I think Storm would beat him.
But i'm looking at it from a technological point of view, Aang and storm are truly powerful but can they actually block any kind of projectile? Ed has fought against chimeras capable of anything mutans can like regenerating when every cell in they're body has been destroyed or changing the composition of their bodies. To me the only thing holding Ed back is his limited WWII era like scientific knowledge because if you think about if he would have the longest range and greatest destructive capability of them all if he could learn more but that is sadly not the case. I don't think either storm or Aang can stop high explosive armor piercing titanium shells fired from tanks or such.
I don't see why they would have a problem countering explosive tank rounds. Storm's winds and lightning have easily taken out missiles and countered energy. I don't think either counter any type of projectile, but most physical ones can be stopped by air or by earth. And I don't think that Ed would have the longest range or the most destructive power. Storm and Aang would IMO. I think Ed is definitely a threat to a degree, but these elementals have too many ways of countering and beating him here. What can Ed do to keep himself from being BFR'd via earth or wind? Plus, if he only changes parts of his body to metal and gets hit by a lightning bolt, the metal on his body will further conduct the lightning and fry him.
@sceonn:
Storm stomps Aang, Storm defeats Crystal, and Ed won't be able to do a whole lot to Storm so she beats him as well.
I don't know why you think this battle is so good sissell
I don't really see why storm is the strongest here anyone of the other three has more to offer than her as i see it though she could overpower Ed and Crystal. She only has power over wind and makes both rain and lightning through clouds or use the same principle through her hands so i don't see how she could overpower Aang at all who can not only control all four elements on grand scale but their composite materials as well not to mention that he can attack with the four elements simultaneously. Can she fend that off with just wind and lightning? both of which he can use given the fact that he has knowledge of past fire bender avatars as well? I'm sure he could use lightning if he wanted to but can always just redirect, something storm cannot counter unless probably with more lightning to cancel it out. Storm can make shield of wind to temporarily shield herself from incoming attacks unlike Aang who can keep all four around him simultaneously for both shielding and attack.
I am hung up on Ed purely due to his technological edge and his smarts. Wind cannot slice through everything neither is lightning invincible and he know what they are capable of and has prep time. High up metal alone can attract lightning so why would it be a problem to Ed?
Seriously i rank them as such
Aang: most powerful but too nice and not much to control composite elements.
Storm: Mastery over her power
Crystal: Accomplished
Ed: Limited WWII era scientific knowledge otherwise would be most powerful without having to fight directly.
I don't really see why storm is the strongest here anyone of the other three has more to offer than her as i see it though she could overpower Ed and Crystal. She only has power over wind and makes both rain and lightning through clouds or use the same principle through her hands so i don't see how she could overpower Aang at all who can not only control all four elements on grand scale but their composite materials as well not to mention that he can attack with the four elements simultaneously. Can she fend that off with just wind and lightning? both of which he can use given the fact that he has knowledge of past fire bender avatars as well? I'm sure he could use lightning if he wanted to but can always just redirect, something storm cannot counter unless probably with more lightning to cancel it out. Storm can make shield of wind to temporarily shield herself from incoming attacks unlike Aang who can keep all four around him simultaneously for both shielding and attack.Storm's control over the weather(wind, lightning) is on a grander scale than anything Aang (or any Avatars) have done.
I am hung up on Ed purely due to his technological edge and his smarts. Wind cannot slice through everything neither is lightning invincible and he know what they are capable of and has prep time. High up metal alone can attract lightning so why would it be a problem to Ed?
Seriously i rank them as such
Aang: most powerful but too nice and not much to control composite elements.
Storm: Mastery over her power
Crystal: Accomplished
Ed: Limited WWII era scientific knowledge otherwise would be most powerful without having to fight directly.
She has control over the elements (wind, lightning, water) on the molecular and even sub atomic level.
Water-Would be no problem for her.
Fire-Again no problem
-Earth- Not really an issue
-Air- No.
Yes.
She can counter it. The only time she gets hurt is if the lightning is supercharged then fired back at her.
Who said it was temporarily?
She can do the same. Her control over air and lightning would be more than enough.
Her wind can do things to normal objects that are insane. Like putting a piece of stray through an armor plate.
Her lightning can be used in levels that are not something that is natural on Earth.
Storm is one of the best tactical minds the X-men have. So she wouldn't be wasting those five minutes either.
Grander scale doesn't mean more power it just means greater reach which makes sense considering she IS the weather goddess but seriously think about it which Storm are you actually speaking of cause not all storms can do what you're saying. Aang can manipulate all four elements on molecular level even the very materials making them up not just wind/water/lightning which are all things he can control. How would storm actually hurt Aang even? He has way more experience than her at controlling any of the elements she commands maybe say for lightning.Storm's control over the weather(wind, lightning) is on a grander scale than anything Aang (or any Avatars) have done. She has control over the elements (wind, lightning, water) on the molecular and even sub atomic level. Water-Would be no problem for her. Fire-Again no problem -Earth- Not really an issue -Air- No. Yes. She can counter it. The only time she gets hurt is if the lightning is supercharged then fired back at her. Who said it was temporarily? She can do the same. Her control over air and lightning would be more than enough. Her wind can do things to normal objects that are insane. Like putting a piece of stray through an armor plate. Her lightning can be used in levels that are not something that is natural on Earth. Storm is one of the best tactical minds the X-men have. So she wouldn't be wasting those five minutes either.
How is earth not an issue? You have granite, metals, carbon/diamond stc... or Aang's specially compressed boulder rapid fire. A successive attack from any of these concentrated on a specific point will sooner or later breach storms shields. I said her shield is temporary because you don't see it around her around the clock unlike Aangs whose you obviously see swirling at speeds fast enough to grate through the ground itself so he even attacks with it. Controlling elements itself means it is no longer NATURAL on earth, ice doesn't normally get up and walk on it's own. I am speaking of Avatar Aang here at the end of the show in case you didn't know but why are we even arguing over this? I'm on Ed camp, not Aang!
@Grim_Hunter said:Grander scale doesn't mean more power it just means greater reach which makes sense considering she IS the weather goddess but seriously think about it which Storm are you actually speaking of cause not all storms can do what you're saying. Aang can manipulate all four elements on molecular level even the very materials making them up not just wind/water/lightning which are all things he can control. How would storm actually hurt Aang even? He has way more experience than her at controlling any of the elements she commands maybe say for lightning.Storm's control over the weather(wind, lightning) is on a grander scale than anything Aang (or any Avatars) have done. She has control over the elements (wind, lightning, water) on the molecular and even sub atomic level. Water-Would be no problem for her. Fire-Again no problem -Earth- Not really an issue -Air- No. Yes. She can counter it. The only time she gets hurt is if the lightning is supercharged then fired back at her. Who said it was temporarily? She can do the same. Her control over air and lightning would be more than enough. Her wind can do things to normal objects that are insane. Like putting a piece of stray through an armor plate. Her lightning can be used in levels that are not something that is natural on Earth. Storm is one of the best tactical minds the X-men have. So she wouldn't be wasting those five minutes either.
How is earth not an issue? You have granite, metals, carbon/diamond stc... or Aang's specially compressed boulder rapid fire. A successive attack from any of these concentrated on a specific point will sooner or later breach storms shields. I said her shield is temporary because you don't see it around her around the clock unlike Aangs whose you obviously see swirling at speeds fast enough to grate through the ground itself so he even attacks with it. Controlling elements itself means it is no longer NATURAL on earth, ice doesn't normally get up and walk on it's own. I am speaking of Avatar Aang here at the end of the show in case you didn't know but why are we even arguing over this? I'm on Ed camp, not Aang!
Grander scale, as it pertains to Storm in comparison to Aang - she is above him in both power and range. Aang, same as Crystal, has control of the 4 elements at a molecular level. Storm has manipulated electrons and hydrogen atoms directly....neither Aang not Crystal have done this. And even in the avatar state, factoring in his power and experience boost, he still has not wielded air as powerful as Storm has or with her degree of versatility. And Aang has 'zero' control over lightning. He has redirected a bolt (with difficulty), did not generate his own lightning, and would die if Storm hit him from a dozen directions with lightning silmultaneously. Earth is Aang best defense here in terms of blocking air and lightning to a degree, but his mini-rocks will not get past storm's winds. Also, her pressure control has allowed her to punch through the top of a mountain with little effort. He would lose to Storm.
As for Ed, he has no defense to any of these opponents. He can be easily BFR'd by any of the 3 elementals, the metal attached to his flesh can be super heated by lightning or flame, frozen and possibly shattered through water/temp control and all 3 of them can fly. They don't need to team up to beat him. I think any one of them could beat him by themselves. What is his defense to either Aang or Crystal opening up a fissure under him? Or Storm pulling him up in a massive tornado or attaching him to a jetstream and hurling him miles away?
@sceonn: Lightning isn't matter it is energy....Seriously??? dude, i know you took physics which if you did you would know there are four phases to matter: solid, liquid, gas, and finally plasma. I don't think i need to tell you which lightning would correspond to.
She is not above aang in terms of power because none has made it clear WHICH storm you're referring to! Aang has manipulated crystal directly to, big deal she is just more knowledgeable than him i mean the highest tech in avatar universe are airships for god's sake and storm has traveled to different planets & species.Grander scale, as it pertains to Storm in comparison to Aang - she is above him in both power and range. Aang, same as Crystal, has control of the 4 elements at a molecular level. Storm has manipulated electrons and hydrogen atoms directly....neither Aang not Crystal have done this. And even in the avatar state, factoring in his power and experience boost, he still has not wielded air as powerful as Storm has or with her degree of versatility. And Aang has 'zero' control over lightning. He has redirected a bolt (with difficulty), did not generate his own lightning, and would die if Storm hit him from a dozen directions with lightning silmultaneously. Earth is Aang best defense here in terms of blocking air and lightning to a degree, but his mini-rocks will not get past storm's winds. Also, her pressure control has allowed her to punch through the top of a mountain with little effort. He would lose to Storm. As for Ed, he has no defense to any of these opponents. He can be easily BFR'd by any of the 3 elementals, the metal attached to his flesh can be super heated by lightning or flame, frozen and possibly shattered through water/temp control and all 3 of them can fly. They don't need to team up to beat him. I think any one of them could beat him by themselves. What is his defense to either Aang or Crystal opening up a fissure under him? Or Storm pulling him up in a massive tornado or attaching him to a jetstream and hurling him miles away?
Anyway I'm arguing for Ed here And why would he engage in direct combat with them if he knows they're abilities and has prep time? Wouldn't that be pretty stupid for someone who's not only smart but also has military background since he was a kid? Whatever happen to weapons? Also he only has a single mechanical leg now and as i said before he can always change it's constitutions. Now i'm not trying to said Ed is a batman but he's kinda has the same (bit different) background and stuff so would you say a batman with the ability to change and shape matter however he wished would lose to storm? i don't think so. He might not be batman but i'm sure he would use his smarts and abilities to their fullest advantages and that doesn't mean rushing towards the enemy foolishly or allowing himself to be found easily either. Camouflage is basic in any army and he knows his tactics.
To EVERYONE: Also from now on i'll Only be replying to comments that i find were written with intelligence, supported by a good argument!
I want to enjoy a good debate, which is why i'm on Ed camp to begin with so anyone not interested.....>-<
I am lost on the first part of your post, as to "WHICH" Storm this is. I am assuming it is 616 Storm. The OP did not indicate if this is a different version of Storm (i.e. - anime, animated series, ultimate, etc.). Aang has never manipulated atoms or electrons directly, which is what I was refering to. His manipulating crystal does not shoe that his control of the elements is more acute. Crystal and Aang's powers are the same, except she has shown more versatility and refind control, while he has shown more raw power than Crystal.
@THUNDERBOLT30 saidShe is not above aang in terms of power because none has made it clear WHICH storm you're referring to! Aang has manipulated crystal directly to, big deal she is just more knowledgeable than him i mean the highest tech in avatar universe are airships for god's sake and storm has traveled to different planets & species.Anyway I'm arguing for Ed here And why would he engage in direct combat with them if he knows they're abilities and has prep time? Wouldn't that be pretty stupid for someone who's not only smart but also has military background since he was a kid? Whatever happen to weapons? Also he only has a single mechanical leg now and as i said before he can always change it's constitutions. Now i'm not trying to said Ed is a batman but he's kinda has the same (bit different) background and stuff so would you say a batman with the ability to change and shape matter however he wished would lose to storm? i don't think so. He might not be batman but i'm sure he would use his smarts and abilities to their fullest advantages and that doesn't mean rushing towards the enemy foolishly or allowing himself to be found easily either. Camouflage is basic in any army and he knows his tactics.Grander scale, as it pertains to Storm in comparison to Aang - she is above him in both power and range. Aang, same as Crystal, has control of the 4 elements at a molecular level. Storm has manipulated electrons and hydrogen atoms directly....neither Aang not Crystal have done this. And even in the avatar state, factoring in his power and experience boost, he still has not wielded air as powerful as Storm has or with her degree of versatility. And Aang has 'zero' control over lightning. He has redirected a bolt (with difficulty), did not generate his own lightning, and would die if Storm hit him from a dozen directions with lightning silmultaneously. Earth is Aang best defense here in terms of blocking air and lightning to a degree, but his mini-rocks will not get past storm's winds. Also, her pressure control has allowed her to punch through the top of a mountain with little effort. He would lose to Storm. As for Ed, he has no defense to any of these opponents. He can be easily BFR'd by any of the 3 elementals, the metal attached to his flesh can be super heated by lightning or flame, frozen and possibly shattered through water/temp control and all 3 of them can fly. They don't need to team up to beat him. I think any one of them could beat him by themselves. What is his defense to either Aang or Crystal opening up a fissure under him? Or Storm pulling him up in a massive tornado or attaching him to a jetstream and hurling him miles away?
As for Ed, it's not like Storm, Aang and Crystal don't have a few minutes prep, though I doubt they will need it, and they get knowledge on him as well.
And it doesn't matter if Ed engaged them directly or not. You stated they start only 100ft apart. It would be nothing for either Crystal or Aang to swallow Ed up in the ground from this distance (unless Ed can fly), or for Storm's, Aang or Crystal's winds to grab hold of him (his flying won't help him), for for them to freeze him with water and temp control. There range of attack is beyond Ed's, and they have means to move faster than him. If your stating that Ed can change the elements of his leg to something other than metal, then that's fine. It doesn't keep the rest of his human body from being hurt by any of the elements wielded by his opponents. And how does Ed's intelligence of prep skill compare to Batman's?
All 3 of these elementals have years of combat training and experience against threats more powerful than Ed. And Ed has no way real way of hiding from Crystal or Storm. Crystal can sense his movement through his foot falls on the ground or movement through the air, and Storm can also sense him through air. And the elementals all have powers with a wide AOE and techinically do not have to physically see their opponent to effect him or limit his abilty to track them.
I never said Aang manipulated electrons i said he could control sub elemental composite materials at base level. Now what is lightning? How do benders summon it? It's clearly said it involves Yin and Yang clashing together which they translated as electrons and positrons so how would you define those? Sub atomic particles right? Firebenders can do it , Aang learned the principles behind it and how to counter it but would not do it due to his monk upbringing. Anyway that itself proves Benders can affect matter on subatomic scale, only with all four elements. I said Aang lacked Storm's raw scientific knowledge, not that he wasn't capable of doing it.I am lost on the first part of your post, as to "WHICH" Storm this is. I am assuming it is 616 Storm. The OP did not indicate if this is a different version of Storm (i.e. - anime, animated series, ultimate, etc.). Aang has never manipulated atoms or electrons directly, which is what I was refering to. His manipulating crystal does not shoe that his control of the elements is more acute. Crystal and Aang's powers are the same, except she has shown more versatility and refind control, while he has shown more raw power than Crystal. As for Ed, it's not like Storm, Aang and Crystal don't have a few minutes prep, though I doubt they will need it, and they get knowledge on him as well. And it doesn't matter if Ed engaged them directly or not. You stated they start only 100ft apart. It would be nothing for either Crystal or Aang to swallow Ed up in the ground from this distance (unless Ed can fly), or for Storm's, Aang or Crystal's winds to grab hold of him (his flying won't help him), for for them to freeze him with water and temp control. There range of attack is beyond Ed's, and they have means to move faster than him. If your stating that Ed can change the elements of his leg to something other than metal, then that's fine. It doesn't keep the rest of his human body from being hurt by any of the elements wielded by his opponents. And how does Ed's intelligence of prep skill compare to Batman's? All 3 of these elementals have years of combat training and experience against threats more powerful than Ed. And Ed has no way real way of hiding from Crystal or Storm. Crystal can sense his movement through his foot falls on the ground or movement through the air, and Storm can also sense him through air. And the elementals all have powers with a wide AOE and techinically do not have to physically see their opponent to effect him or limit his abilty to track them.
As for Ed his powers works slightly differently. While the others go from elemental to sub atomic, He goes from sub atomic to elemental so it's like the others already have a fully functioning toy and only needs to figure out how it works he figures how it works and has to build it himself. Why do you think they have longer range than Ed, Storms range is indeed long but wind is also the lightest element and would not require much to move while earth would be much harder right, big weight difference and weight does effect these abilities. Alchemy can also manipulate elements but would require know-how and training so it's just easier for them to alter stuff. Can he just not make a tall pillar of steel and have metal spikes grow out of it to reach skybound enemies? Or better yet make a cannon on top of it that would shoot titanium shells? He is much better control, versatility on subatomic level than any of them, hell with a philosopher stone he should even be able to make a miniature star. And why would he engage them without making himself a super strong weather proof armor lol.
And you have yet to counter any of the BFR arguments I have presented. Manipulating air or earth would take little effort for the elementals, and what is Ed going to do not get BFR'd?
Ed's ability is limited to metal alchemy IIRC, and he has to make physical contact with what he is looking to transmute.With making an all encompassing armor, he could better protect himself physically to a degree, but his armor is still metal, which can conduct electricity and is vulnerable to temperature extremes and force, and his human body inside of it has limits. If steel is the best he can come up with, then his armor or weapons can be obliterated by lightning, fire or earth projectiles. Crystal has manipulated massive amounts of earth with ease, so it would not be more difficult for her to flatten Ed with massive slab of earth. Also, Crystal can unleash ice blasts to freeze him inside his armor or flame blasts to melt it, or Aang can freeze him with atmospheric moisture, and the same for Storm, who has actually shattered steel with ease by freezing it. And he doesn't have a philospher stone in this battle so I don't see why that is being mentioned.
Aang avoided redirecting lightning back at ozai, the guy he hated the most putting himself at risk and you're still saying that? I have nothing to say then...And proof of manipulating sub-atomically i've already stated but you chose to not mention it "positron/electron"@sceonn: My point is, you mentioned he could control crystal (i.e. - an earth composite substance), which I am already aware of, but that showing is not as acute as Storm's manipulation of electrons or hydrogen atoms. Aang, as well as the benders do not have direct control of the elements at a sub-atomic level. What proof is there that there control is derived fine control of the elements sub-atomically? If Aang could create lightning, which I doubt his morals/monk upbringing would keep him from doing so, then he should have been throwing lightning bolts at Ozai when they fought in the final episode or should have been able to redirect lightning with ease. And you have yet to counter any of the BFR arguments I have presented. Manipulating air or earth would take little effort for the elementals, and what is Ed going to do not get BFR'd? Ed's ability is limited to metal alchemy IIRC, and he has to make physical contact with what he is looking to transmute.With making an all encompassing armor, he could better protect himself physically to a degree, but his armor is still metal, which can conduct electricity and is vulnerable to temperature extremes and force, and his human body inside of it has limits. If steel is the best he can come up with, then his armor or weapons can be obliterated by lightning, fire or earth projectiles. Crystal has manipulated massive amounts of earth with ease, so it would not be more difficult for her to flatten Ed with massive slab of earth. Also, Crystal can unleash ice blasts to freeze him inside his armor or flame blasts to melt it, or Aang can freeze him with atmospheric moisture, and the same for Storm, who has actually shattered steel with ease by freezing it. And he doesn't have a philospher stone in this battle so I don't see why that is being mentioned.
So you think Ed cannot manipulate the earth too? Not only can he control it he can even alter what it's made off, something none of the three can.
Ok! Ed can destroy anything on contact on atomic level. Flatten him? i don't think so, not only that he can also animate that very earth crystal used on him back against her cause he once made a giant zeus like statue and animated it to squash his enemy and that was stone. What gave you the idea that he can only use metal, his name is just a code name due to he metallic limbs not an indication of his power.
You think lightning is omnipotent, Then what about lightning rod, why doesn't it get obliteration and as you've said before he is good at metal alchemy and there are plenty of metal resistant metals not that he's limited to that and he's familiar to it thanks to Colonel Mustang. Ed fought an ice alchemist and defeated him and he could freeze an entire city cold. He even made water i think, don't remember much. It wasn't said he didn't have a philosopher stone either so it can go either way!
@isaac_clarke: Lightning is matter!Electromagnetic energy isn't exactly matter. Plus, lightning isn't solid. Has Ed shown the ability to transmute lightning?
I'm pretty sure it's plasma, which is the fourth state of matter. But i guess since it's also got electricity it contains energy.....yes plasma created through electricity.@sceonn said:
@isaac_clarke: Lightning is matter!Electromagnetic energy isn't exactly matter. Plus, lightning isn't solid. Has Ed shown the ability to transmute lightning?
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