Aang, P'li vs Combustion Man, Korra

When these Avatars and combustion benders do battle, who will prevail?

Team 1: Aang and P'li

Team 2: Korra and Combustion Man

Aang and Korra have access to all elements for this battle. However, they do not have the Avatar State.

Fight takes place in the Spirit World by the Tree of Time. Starting distance is 50 feet. Time is perpetual twilight.

Victory by ko or death

Round 1: Morals on

Round 2: Morals off, bloodlust on

Who wins?

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round 1: team 2 (mainly because aang will screw up)

round 2: team 1

Team 2 all rounds, though p'li is more impressive than combustion man.

Any reasons?

@arcus: four element korra>four element aang, water korra=air aang.

P'li has more feats, but combustion man wrecked team avatar, soukka got a lucky shot, or an accurate/precise shot, which bolin also did.

ends in a massive explosion. XD

I believe morals on no avatar mode korra>Aang

And Combustion man > P'li

So..... team 2 wins round one, round 2 is slightly harder to call.

A morals of Aang is really scary.

Oh really? :)

Team 2 Combustion Man MVP

@arcus: Oh yeah XD

Team 2 majority Korra's to strong and Combustion man has a power edge that could arguably eliminate any defense accept running.

Team 1,has a shot with round 1,do to speed and the morals of team 2 being very different. Seem like Pli came of more reasonable and willing to work with Aang to win while Korra would probably confront CM if he gets a good shot

R1 team Korra should win, in character Korra > Aang

R2 team Aang. I personally think a morals off Aang is a more powerful bender than a morals off Korra (not by much) but I think Aang will be able to make the difference

I think that debating Aang versus Korra is futile, as both, being the exact same spirit and being, have the exact same talent, potential, abilities, and role. In character, both are passive and holding back only enough to hurt and stop the opponent, but never severely or legally injure the opponent. Their earthbending is equal I'd say, because Aang has mastery over seismic sense, but Korra was talented and skilled enough to learn metalbending, which is a very rare and elite skill for earthbenders. Aang and Korra at full potential, however, have the exact same role, abilities, talent, and potential. They definitely stalemate.

The closest that we have to a no morals Avatar is Dark Korra and, goodness, Dark Korra is one scary powerful psycho bitch. She'd beat the shit out of anyone in Avatar or Korra :D

P'Li versus Combustion Man is another great fight. Combustion Man has physical strength and durability and raw power with his blasts, but P'li has greater agility, accuracy, and finesse over the skill of Combustion (enough skill not to blow off her own arm and leg and end up defeating herself like Combustion Man always did).

So, they also are evenly matched.

Overall, this ends in the ultimate stalemate :D

However, if we're being technical and both Avatars can use Avatar State and this is Korra from Season 3 onward... then poor Korra has no chance, because it's literally just the power of Korra up against the power of Aang+Roku+Kyoshi+Kuruk+Yangchen+unnamed male Fire Avatar+unnamed male Earth Avatar+thousands of other Avatars+Wan... yeaahhhhh, Korra is losing terribly then :(

Aang and Korra might both be Avatars, but they both have different skills and abilities. Maybe they could potentially have the same abilities, but from what we've seen they have differences

True, true. Still, though, both are the Avatar and if we're talking about both of them at full potential, then the powerset and potential is exactly the same. Plus, I've always seen them as more or less equal, give or take. So, this fight either ends in a perfect stalemate or a perfect 50/50 split that could go both ways. And my point still remains that Aang versus Korra is a tired, futile debate that goes nowhere, because the Avatar is one being and they're both different manifestations of the same being, with the same powerset, potential, talent, and role. They literally can never fight, as one cannot exist during the same time as the other. Korra IS Aang reincarnated. As Roku said to Aang, "Aang, I am you." Korra and Aang literally cannot fight each other, because they are the same person. Korra can't fight herself (unless it's season 4 and her mental state is crumbling XD). They're the same person.

During Aang's time, he could never fight Korra, because she didn't exist yet.

During Korra's time, Aang can no longer exist in order for Korra to even exist. There is literally no way that the two can fight.

At least for P'Li versus Combustion Man, there's the possibility that Combustion Man pulls a Bumi and is a similar age to Bumi in A:TLAB while P'Li is currently as young as she is... or, while P'Li was a little girl and child, Combustion Man was an old grandpa like man.

But Aang and Korra literally cannot ever fight, because the Avatar Cycle simply wouldn't allow it.

The only Avatar that an Avatar can fight is a Dark Avatar (like Avatar Korra against Dark Avatar Unavaatu) or I guess, if you count her as a Dark Avatar, then that Dark Avatar Korra that Korra kept hallucinating in Season 4.

Round 1: Team 2, because Aang tends to hold-back a little too much in-character.

Round 2: Team 1 for sure. Aang is just superior to everyone here blood-lusted.

L. D.

That's not a set in stone fact. That's all pretty opinionated and open for debate.

Korra bloodlusted is nothing to play around with either. She, like Aang, doesn't fight ferociously or to kill. She only fights to put out of action and uses violence to defend herself or something that she really cares about.

Korra bloodlusted is no joke. Aang isn't above her. The two are pretty equal, give or take. If they're both bloodlusted, that is. And same if they're both in character, since neither fights to severely injure.

Again, at full potential, a bloodlusted Avatar will be above all else, regardless of which Avatar we're using.

And your point is?

Sure. I never said Korra bloodlusted is any sort of "joke" anyways.

What you're trying to say is, we shouldn't debate who's better, but assume a bloodlusted Avatar is just as even as another bloodlusted Avatar? That's silly dude, they're both no joke, but we're obviously going by feats and perception.

L. D.

Okay, sorry, I get what you're saying :) I'm just saying that, as the same spirit with the same role and same powerset, there's no point in debating which Avatar is stronger than which, because, at fully realized potential and in their prime, each Avatar can do the same thing. They're all the same. But in all honesty, I'd put Korra and Aang as equal, and same for Combustion Man and P'Li. But Avatar fight threads are pointless, in my opinion, because it's not like the Avatar can ever physically fight, anyway. Combustion Man at least, even if not likely, has the possibility to coexist and, thus, fight with P'Li, but Korra and Aang don't have this. They can't even be put against each other in a fight, because they literally fill each other's role and precede and succeed each other and the feats that they both perform. I'm trying to say that Aang and Korra are the same being with the same potential, powerset, and role, so why even compare them?

Aang has better feats then Korra imo, not miles better but still, better. And P'li and combustion man are pretty much the same except for the fact P'li can bend her beams.

A bloodlusted Aang decapitates both of the other team

I wouldn't go that far. Once again, there is not a gap between Aang's and Korra's feats. Korra's feats definitely stack up to Aang's top feats. And if he is better, which I really don't think that he is, then it's definitely not so substantial to the point where he can take out both Combustion Man and Korra.

Honestly, the posters on this thread are severely overrating Aang. He's never been shown to be able to handle Combustion Man, but suddenly, a bloodlusted Aang can easily solo him... AND KORRA?!?!?! Korra is his equal, and the gap between them is CERTAINLY not large enough to the point where Aang can take her AND an opponent who gave him AND HIS TEAM the freaking fight of their lives multiple times.

This fight is way too close to call both rounds, and to say that Aang is so much better than Korra that he can clear BOTH her AND Combustion Man (for whom he and Team Avatar were no match) is ridiculous.

Aang and Korra are equal, as are P'Li and Combustion Man.

@raimundopedrosa: lol no

1.

When has Korra done something like this?

2.

Aang blocking combustion man, so yes, he can.

P'li has around equal power to combustion man, but she can bend her beams, unlike CM, so yes, she is better as well. She is also more agile as she has two real legs.

@just_banter said:

@raimundopedrosa: lol no

1.

When has Korra done something like this?

2.

Aang blocking combustion man, so yes, he can.

P'li has around equal power to combustion man, but she can bend her beams, unlike CM, so yes, she is better as well. She is also more agile as she has two real legs.

Her fight with Kuvira's giant mech and OH YEAH, SHE DEFLECTED A HUGE FREAKING SPIRIT CANNON BEAM! Yeah, her power is definitely on par with Aang's. Also, did you WATCH the freaking fight with poison ingested Korra against Zaheer? Even with poison in her body, she was easily cutting and slicing through bolders. Her attacks and powers are no less than Aang's whatsoever. They're at least even and definitely not weaker to the point where Aang can handle her AND Combustion Man. That's just ridiculous. Seriously, poison ingested Korra in her Zaheer fight SLICED FREAKING CANYONS AND MOUNTAINS IN HALF with her earthbending and blasted through rocks with her waterbending. She's DEFINITELY not weaker than Aang. Why don't you take another look?

https://www.tumblr.com/search/korra%20vs%20zaheer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQf-PhnPJn8

Besides, an Avatar versus Avatar is impossible!!!

And no lol Aang barely defended himself from Combustion Man's attack and was brutally injured in the process. Being able to defend from one attack and constantly running from him because you know that you're no match for him is not the same as beating him if you're bloodlusted. Hell, the reason WHY they started running was because AANG ADMITTED TO SOKKA THAT THEY COULDN'T BEAT A GUY WHO COULD BLOW THINGS UP WITH HIS MIND!

Yeah, I'll agree on P'Li being> Combustion Man.

@raimundopedrosa: Korra's feats vs Zaheer were decent but no where near Aang's vs Ozai, and Korra sliced no mountains in half or shot water through rock, none of that happened.

against Kuvira's mech again her feats aren't as good as Aang's. Her only feat that challenges Aang is the spirit beam deflecting that she did, which is extremely impressive, but Aang's comic feats top that, in AS, he moved so much Earth he created an island from a landlocked village

Korra's best feats, like blocking the spirit ray, or her fight with Zaheer, all involve the avatar state. Aang threw a mountain, blew out a volcano, blocked combustion man, and created a tsunami with just his normal bending. Without the avatar state Korra has no feats that put her at being close to being in the same league as Aang.

@just_banter: Aang's feats in the AS are generally better. When it comes to non-AS, Aang has better air and earth, Korra has better water and fire

@arcus: I can agree with that

No, Korra versus Zaheer feats were definitely on par with Aang's feats when he fought against Ozai. And I mean how she took that huge rock canyon thing, sliced it in half, and through it at Zaheer. And how, on her way chasing him, she punched through that giant rock wall. And again, Korra was severelyweakened by poison, so she wasn't even at full potential in this fight. But her feats were absolutely on par with Aang's during his Ozai fight. I'm not budging on that one.

Noooo, the feats against Kuvira's mech were definitelyon par with Aang's feats. At least on par. She freaking stopped a gigantic robot with a simple water wave of hers and pushed it around with her air attacks. The power that she used in that was insanelyimpressive. She only entered the Avatar State once, but did the rest without the Avatar State. Her feats against the mech definitely challenge what Aang has done. And of course Aang's Avatar State in the comics are stronger than hers in Season 4, because she's still having some psychological issues in the Avatar State, and ohyeah, the Avatar State is literally only her own power, not her+Aang Roku+Kyoshi+Kuruk+Yangchen, etc.+Wan. Aang, on the other hand, had thousands of Avatars helping him, so of course his Avatar State was stronger.

But Korra definitely stacks up to Aang. The two are equal and there's no changing that. They have equal capacity, potential, abilities, and talent.

And there's still no way in hell that you can make the assumption that a bloodlusted Aang can "easily take Combustion Man," who gave him and his teammates hell every time that they fought, just because he can barely block one of Combustion Man's attacks.He never showed himself to be superior to Combustion Man whatsoever, but to overrate him to the point where he, bloodlusted, is apparently so much better than Korra, that he can clear her AND Combustion Man, something that he's NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DO?!?!?! And something that he ADMITTED THAT HE AND THE ENTIRETY OF TEAM AVATAR COULDN'T DO?! His only chance was distracting him and holding him off so that he and Team Avatar could make a run for it.

But as Arcus said, Aang betas her in airbending whereas she beats him in waterbending. Earthbending (Aang can use seismic sense, but Korra can metalbend, so...) is pretty equal, but firebending, I'd have to give to Korra.

This is very true. Although in earth, they're pretty equal, I think, because Aang could use seismic sense, but Korra was talented and skilled enough in earthbending to pick up metalbending, which is considered a rare and elite skill right away. But overall, I'd say that they're equal. What do you think? Also, for the Avatar State, that kind of goes without saying, because Korra became a true master in the elements by Season 3, but by then, her Avatar State only consisted of her, whereas Aang's had thousands of Avatars backing it up.

Korra has metal bending, sure, but in terms of pure earthbending, Aang showed more raw power and versatility than Korra. Seismic sense too (though honestly I think the seismic sense is overrated

True, but Korra's metalbending does even things out and Korra can counter any earthbending that Aang throws at her, whereas Aang can't handle any metalbending from her.

But as you said before, Korra's water and fire attacks are better, with which I agree.

Still, though, an Avatar versus Avatar (unless we count Dark Avatars) could never happen, because Korra IS Aang and Aang IS KORRA!

But since only one Avatar can exist at a time period, there's literally no way that Aang and Korra could ever fight. During Aang was the one and only Avatar, so Aang would win by default. During Korra's time, Korra was the one and only Avatar, so Korra would win by default. Korra in the Avatar State before her connection was cut off has Aang's existence INSIDE OF HER, so she automatically wins. Korra after the previous Avatars were wiped out still automatically wins, since Aang no longer exists, even inside of Korra. Aang during his time automatically wins any fight against Korra, since Korra didn't even exist at all at the time. Therefore, Aang versus Korra is a completely situational fight that is only determined by one factor: who is the current Avatar. During Aang's time, Korra didn't exist. During Korra's time, Aang went from existing as a part of Korra to not existing at all.

On the other hand, Combustion Man versus P'Li is a fight that could actually happen, with either Combustion Man being a full grown, slightly past his prime man and P'Li being a little girl... or P'Li being in her current age and Combustion Man being freakishly old kind of like how King Bumi was. That said, the two are pretty equal, same for P'Li and Combustion Man, but I'd probably lean toward P'Li, since Combustion Man is too limited in movement with his metal arm and leg... and P'Li definitely shows greater mastery over her combustion bending.

@raimundopedrosa:

...It doesn't matter whether the fight could happen in universe or not. That's not how these battles work

Noooo, the feats against Kuvira's mech were definitelyon par with Aang's feats. At least on par. She freaking stopped a gigantic robot with a simple water wave of hers and pushed it around with her air attacks. The power that she used in that was insanelyimpressive. She only entered the Avatar State once, but did the rest without the Avatar State. Her feats against the mech definitely challenge what Aang has done.

Korra never did anything like this. Aang has also cooled lava instantaneously with airbending and ran from one mountain to another in minutes. He showed better agility and raw power in at least two elements.

And of course Aang's Avatar State in the comics are stronger than hers in Season 4, because she's still having some psychological issues in the Avatar State, and ohyeah, the Avatar State is literally only her own power, not her+Aang Roku+Kyoshi+Kuruk+Yangchen, etc.+Wan. Aang, on the other hand, had thousands of Avatars helping him, so of course his Avatar State was stronger.

Aang's AS was his own power too. With the invention of Raava that talk about the AS being the combined power of all avatars went to hell. Also her problems end when she goes see Zaheer.

Therefore, Aang versus Korra is a completely situational fight that is only determined by one factor: who is the current Avatar. During Aang's time, Korra didn't exist. During Korra's time, Aang went from existing as a part of Korra to not existing at all.

You must be kidding me. Are you a troll?

No it didn't. The past lives were part of Raava, hence why they were destroyed when Raava was destroyed. When the Avatar channels Raava in the AS, he/she also channels the past lives (assuming there are past lives). Raava didn't change anything about the Avatar State, just expanded on it. This is why Aang was able to bend elements he hadn't learned yet in the Avatar State

@arcus: I'm talking about the power. When Aang controlled an element he didn't learn in the AS it was someone else controlling it, but the power boost comes from Raava and so it's the same. The past lives are only there to give advices and possess him like Kyoshi and Roku did.

Raava grants a power boost to be sure, doesn't mean the past lives don't also contribute power. Plus they can offer stronger techniques and such

@arcus said:

Are you suggesting Raava absorbs all their energy so she can get stronger and the AS is stronger? The AS is current avatar+Raava, the past lives contribute only with techniques and advice.

All I'm saying is it's possible, is there anything to contradict it? Obviously the past lives contribute skill-which can involve more powerful techniques and the like

@arcus: It is possible, but i believe Raava is the only source of power to the AS. I still don't know what his comment was supposed to mean, since he was the one to start comparing Korra in the Avatar State with normal Aang.

Idk. Unfortunately, we never really got to see Korra in a full Avatar State (except when she was dying, of course, which obviously isn't gonna be her best)

When she used it against Kuvira she had no poison and the mental problems only started kicking when she saw Nega-Korra on Kuvira. But she wouldn't use full power AS on Kuvira, but the portal creation thing she did in the end was pretty good for me.

Team 1, 10/10. Aang > Korra, P'Li > CM.

Aang solos Round 2.

CM is a weak link.

@vengefulshot: By himself maybe, but with proper support CM is one of the most powerful characters in the verse, and he's not alone here.

@mial42: Rewatching season 3 of LOK im inclined to say that P'li has him outclassed in every single way except raw power where the gap is far smaller than i originally thought.

Yasssss you've converted to the church of P'li.

@vengefulshot: The gap in power is pretty huge, and Korra's more than capable of blocking P'li's blasts, whereas Aang had extreme difficulty blocking CM's stuff. As far as power goes, CM's best>P'li's best>CM's average>>P'li's average>=CM's worst>>P'li's worst.

@mial42: I'd say P'li's best is just slightly below his and whilst her average blast may be below his she has far greater spamibility. CM has only ever fired off 2 shots at a time IIRC whereas P'li fired off like 6 vs Su. Furthermore, to defend CM Korra needs to stand beside him, which is just a bad tactic vs combustion benders, especially one who can spam as heavily and curve her shots like P'li, whereas Aangs team can split, making them far more elusive. I am not confident in Korras ability to defend CM from attacks as powerful as the ones Aang and P'li will be launching from several directions. She herself could defeat either 1v1 but not when she has to babysit CM.

I'd like to note that while Korra did block an explosive mechanism but that's not the same as blocking a combustion or fire blast whose core is going to hit the shield directly.

And bloodlusted Aang just goes super speed to blitz CM.