Aang & Katara vs Toph & Zuko

@cascadeking09: 

Katara's "win": She beat Zuko after he was caught in explosion and barely healed then just swam through freezing cold water and didn't spend any time resting. Katara, on the other hand , did 0 fighting before that and was very well rested under a full moon surrounded by water. Zuko runs paster WITH HIS BACK TURNED to grab Aang and get blasted by not once, but twice by Katara and is now frozen in place.  He didn't sheild himself with fire because he didn't see it coming and didn't have time.
 

Okay but its not like she knew he had bee through all that,and that has nothing to do with them fighting then.that was the previous episode.He seemed fine to me,he had a couple of burns but being  a firebender i doubt the explosion made it where he couldn't defend himself. 
swimming through freezing water was probably cold,but his uncle told him to remember his breath of fire to keep him warm and to survive. 
the points you brought up are moot,you just want to label me and under your circumstances,and it will NOT be happening.I am not biased but truthful 
 
Also him running passed her with is back turned was dumb on his part because he knew he was fighting Katara and he underestimated her and he got his ass knocked around because of it.That wasn't unfair because Katara's goal was to protect Aang and keep him from getting abducted in Avatar state.When Zuko hit Katara from BEHIND she wasn't even ready and therefore she had only a small amount of time to defend herself,if that body of water that she manipulated had of been larger then she could have blocked the blast better,being that it was a small shield and it was delayed reflex she went flying back from the concussive force. So you tell me whose biased??????   It seems like you're riding Zuko pretty hard,just admit that team 2 looses and let this thread die honey .oh and please dont make me post the video =P

@cascadeking09: 

 If Aang could take him out so easily with just his airbending he would've done so, but he didn't.

He did and has,maybe has it ever occurred to you that Aang wanted to use all the bending new bending forms he learned.He started of using a combination of air and earth but then just switched to plain earth bending.I mean its already been proven that  Aang has taken him out easily in the past when he just knew airbending, even  though they ALL obtained more skill and power Aaang was still margins better than Zuko at the beginning and end of the series.

Aang was already a master airbender at the age of 12 when the show started,Zuko at the beginning and end of the show still wasn't  a fully realized master of firebending. Katara went from not knowing barely nothing about her respective element  to achieving a master level within a couple of weeks,Pakku deemed her worthy as a master,and she still had impressive feats  throughout the ending of series and displaying moves hadn't done before.

He lost to Aang more than twice lol. Aang beat him the first time they met,he beat him on Kyoshi, Aaang  kicked his ass in Bato of the Water tribe its more times,but you get the point.BTW this was all the times he only used air.

You've got to be kidding ,right? 
watch the series again.Katara didn't learn just one technique from Hama,she learned several.Katara learned how to manipulate the water in her surroundings when in a foreign land.she learned how to pull water from living things such as flowers,plants and trees.She even learned how to pull it out of thin air,and last but not least Blood Bending. :)
Like said again team 1 has the advantage.

 Okay but its not like she knew he had bee through all that,and that has nothing to do with them fighting then.that was the previous episode.He seemed fine to me,he had a couple of burns but being  a firebender i doubt the explosion made it where he couldn't defend himself. swimming through freezing water was probably cold,but his uncle told him to remember his breath of fire to keep him warm and to survive. the points you brought up are moot,you just want to label me and under your circumstances,and it will NOT be happening.I am not biased but truthful

Also him running passed her with is back turned was dumb on his part because he knew he was fighting Katara and he underestimated her and he got his ass knocked around because of it.That wasn't unfair because Katara's goal was to protect Aang and keep him from getting abducted in Avatar state.When Zuko hit Katara from BEHIND she wasn't even ready and therefore she had only a small amount of time to defend herself,if that body of water that she manipulated had of been larger then she could have blocked the blast better,being that it was a small shield and it was delayed reflex she went flying back from the concussive force. 
So you tell me whose biased??????

aang and katara would win because aang could take out toph seeing as she wouldnt be able to properly defend against him and katara would defeat zuko because she is more powerful than he is she was able to stalemate him at the north pole before she was declared a master by pakku and she has gotten stronger ever since yes zuko got a power up but that power up still only made him barely able to hold his own against azula with him admitting he probably still couldnt beat her while katara can arguably beat azula in a fight

I'd say Aang and Katara win both rounds. Aang can float and Katara can walk on water, so Toph can't see either of them. And both of them are skilled enough to have beaten Zuko in the past. While Zuko has gotten better since then, so has Katara, and Aang has used air bending to defend against much stronger then Zuko is capable of here.

Aang and Katara win this

Team 1

Azula being a prodigy didn't stop Katara from kicking her ass twice. She almost cut her face in half and had her completely disabled in the season 2 finale, the only reason she didn't get to put her down was because Zuko was being stupid and interfered, severing her tendrils. Katara also washed out the entire room of Dai Li agents with a single wave and managed to catch Aang before he hit the ground after getting hit with Azula's lightning.

As to the comment saying waterbending is slow... it's no slower than the other elements once a quantity of water is brought close for defense, which is always there because she by default starts with her water skin - and then has the ocean/river to call upon.

Toph is probably the most powerful bender here, but the beach setting likely gets drenched quickly and I'd wager (after the Drill episode) that mud bending would result and level her advantages down to a stalemate between Katara and herself. Aang beats her anyday no matter what, because as long as he stays aloft she has no idea where to strike. Zuko loses to both opponents IMO. This was demonstrated throughout the series. He had trouble with Katara during the season 1 finale and she wasn't nearly as powerful then as she was after the off-screen interrum training that took place after the Siege of the North, before they departed for the Earth Kingdom. He got an upgrade too, but Katara was largely more impressive - though I understand arguments that she had more screen time.

LMFAOOOO at everyone saying that Team 2 stands a chance at all and that Aang can't easily swat Zuko like a fly.

AFTER Zuko's dragon training, he attacked Aang at the beach and Aang didn't want to fight at all, yet Zuko couldn't land a single hit on him. Then, as soon as Aang decided that it's time to stop fighting, he knocked Zuko out flat on his ass with NO effort, whatsoever. Zuko is no match for Aang, whatsoever. He's never been on his level.

Toph also got easily owned by a single air blast from Aang.

The fact that Aang has a very powerful waterbender backing him up seriously does not help Team 2. But Katara won't be needed. Aang solos.

Oh and for all of you saying that air and water bending aren't combat effective, Katara and Aang have both b whooped multiple people's asses with their native element. Actually, even more people than the members of Team 2. As far as noteworthy opponents in a clean, head on fight that aren't fodder earthbenders and a few firebenders in the finale go, Toph doesn't have many impressive feats.

In every fight against Aang except in the crystal catacombs when Aang was emotionally distraught and thinking about the guru and not focused on the fight, Zuko has gotten his ass handed to him.

Aang solos Zuko and Toph if he's actually fighting offensively. Adding in Katara is a stomp.

@cascadeking09: Incorrect. In Crossroads, the fight was not at night. It started out in broad daylight. Nighttime was way after the entire fight had ended. Katara's a much better bender than Zuko. She wouldn't lose to him definitely.

@raimundopedrosa: I don't know what relevence the time of the fight has to do with anything, they were fighting underground anyway. Aang blasting Aang once on the beach is not really evidence of anything, all Zuko was doing the whole time was chasing him. Getting hit once doesn't mean he can't get back up as has been the case many times when they fought before.

I'm also getting pretty tired of people underestimating Zuko and fanboying Aang and Katara all the time. It's literally the same in every arguement I've ever had on the character. Making excuses for the Aang like being "emotionally distraught" is ridiculous. As if Zuko wasn't "emotionally distraught" from making probably the biggest life changing decision of his life to betray his uncle and take out the avatar.

Katara is a better bender than because of what? Favoritism? The only common opponent the two of them have is Azula. I think beating Hama was maybe her most impressive feat as a waterbender, but it was due to bloodbending(an ability she won't use) and Hama pretty much yielded to her because that's exactly what she wanted Katara to do. Zuko bested Ozai with his own lightning, he took on Jet without his firebending, he and Iroh took on the Ruff Rhinos, he beat admiral Zhao, he's been able to fight evenly with Aang on numeroes occasions, Katara as well. His bending as well as hers has only improved since the last time they've met, but there is no evidence to support her being his superior.

Toph struggled with Aang because she did not know his capabilities and presumed he was an Earthbender, now that she knows Aang, she can armor up and stalemate him, and I would give Zuko the edge over Katara.

Wtf are these users on?! Seriously! This is a no brainer!

Aang and Katara stomp BADLY!

@jacthripper I don't know how people come to the conclusion that Toph and Aang are equals, even though Aang slaughtered her in their first fight and was effortlessly holding his own against a very aggressive Toph.

Also, Katara beat Azula twice, who's at least as good as Zuko after dragon training, so I see her beating Zuko.

Or they could always switch opponents, in which case, Katara and Toph are more or less equals, whereas Aang (as we saw in the first episode of the Season 3 finale) destroys Zuko with no problems.

Also, sure Toph didn't know that she was fighting an airbender when she went up against Aang, but people neglect the fact that Aang WASN'T EVEN TRYING TO FIGHT HER! HE WAS TRYING TO TALK TO HER ABOUT EARTHBENDING AND BE FRIENDLY AND PACIFISTIC!

But regardless, he let one evasive air blast loose, which was meant solely to defend himself (whereas Toph was trying very, very hard to hurt him) and Toph got knocked out of the ring embarrassingly.

Even in "The Rift," Aang's not trying against Toph and is trying to calm her down, but Toph is trying hard to hurt him and can barely keep up with him.

Aang solos this, to be honest. Zuko's not touching him, and neither is Toph.

Katara has more than enough feats to take either opponent on the other team.

Katara holds one off and arguably wins, whereas Aang steps in and completely slaughters.

Aang can definitely solo this, though.

Oh, and let's see Toph's armor that Aang won't give her time to form defend against tornadoes XD

Aang's shown that he can easily beat either Toph or Zuko without even trying, whereas Katara has done overall better against the series villains than Toph and Zuko have.

Aang kicks Toph's and Zuko's asses, with Katara securing the victory.

@cascadeking09 LMFAO okay, I'm not fanboying. Aang wasn't in the right state of mind that day, whereas Zuko had just screwed over his uncle and was going home to thrive in the life of royalty as a pampered prince. The logic of being emotionally distraught and screwed over would apply for people like Iroh and Katara... which brings me to the point that Katara was extremely emotionally blindsided, betrayed, and distraught from Zuko's sudden attack on her, when he had just shown signs of improving as a person. But Zuko's situation is no waycomparable to Aang's. Aang was spiritually out of balance and had screwed up all his Avatar training and had fought more pathetically than we'd ever seen him fight. That was the one and only time that we'd ever see Zuko even touch him in a fight.

Also, you're the one underestimating Katara's and Aang's prodigious skill here and overrating and fanboying over Zuko lmfao. Aang has shown himself to when he has shit together, be able to outmatch Zuko with minimal effort when he actually fights on the offensive, rather than staying on the defensive.

Also, Katara's a much better and more talented bender than Zuko and even Azula. Zuko's been training for years and practicing with other firebenders, whereas Katara had literally less than a month of the same training, yet by the end of Season 2, she was able to fight evenly with Azula and Zuko both individually and gain the upper hand in battle. Hell, she even held her own against the two of them combined for a good period of time. She beat Azula twicein combat, whereas Zuko could barely even be considered an equal to Azula in combat afterhis dragon training. Example: in the fight in "The Boiling Rock," he had Sokka's help and had Azula cornered and outnumbered. In the second fight in "The Southern Raiders," her sanity had started to deteriorate, but she still fought him evenly and then saved herself where he was completely done for and needed help. In the season finale, her sanity was completely far gone. However, for Katara, it's still a more impressive win- why? KATARA WASN'T AMPED UP BY SOZIN'S COMET! On top of that, while Azula was insane, Katara had to worry about guarding Zuko's body from Azula's crazy attacks, finishing the fight before it was too late to heal Zuko's fatal wounds and save his life, and finding a way to maintain her moral code as a fighter and put Azula out of action without killing her.

Zuko still got his ass handed to him by Aang in the fight before Sozin's Comet. He was outmatched and the fight was over as soon as Aang knocked him out. And LMFAO all that he did was chase him? Yeah, I'm the fanboy lmfao. No lmfao he blasted very aggressive fire blasts at him and Aang kept evading. As soon as Aang decided to fight back, Zuko got destroyed.

Also, Zuko knew damn well not to cross either Katara or Aang when they told him to step down.

That whole fight at the beachhouse was Zuko ATTACKING WITH FIRE BLASTS (NOT merely chasing him... seriously lmfao try running from someone in general as opposed to someone with a gun who's seriously trying to hurt you), Aang evading the attacks so that he wouldn't have to hurt Zuko, Zuko challenging him to fight back, Aang asking him to stop while trying to avoid confrontation, Zuko cornering him, and Aang no longer dealing with his shit, finally deciding to fight back, effortlessly countering Zuko's attack, and Zuko getting floored on his ass.

With that said, merry Christmas; )

A serious Aang has the potential to solo, while Katara can take Zuko and at least hold Toph.

@arcus: Merry Christmas :) And very true.

@raimundopedrosa: merry Christmas to you too!

I'd say team 1 wins around 6 or 7 times out of ten (this is how I rank battles because there are almost always ways in which one side can win over the other. This is fictional, so the author can write out the fight in different ways). The reason I say say this is because Aang can defeat Toph rather easily by keeping off the ground, or making very light contact, and using his agility and speed to avoid being sensed by Toph and to come down from above, as he demonstrated before while having a conversation with her. Meanwhile, Katara can defend against Zuko by staying mobile, or by healing herself through the use of water. Then, Aang joins the fight after taking down Toph. It would be very difficult for Zuko to hit him, even with long range fire attacks, if he stayed in the air. A little well-applied teamwork with Katara would allow them to defeat Zuko fairly easily, considering the fact that it is difficult for a firebender to block air attacks, as such; .If the air bender hits them with a circular air current, that is difficult to block with a gaseous substance; their only option is dodging. If Katara pressures him into staying still, say, by surrounding him in an ice field, Aang can finish the fight with a circular descending air current, knocking him onto the ice field, where he would either be unconscious from the sheer force, or by Katara freezing or attacking him with ice. While admittedly, that particular situation would be unusally creative, it is only one of a number of situations where teamwork makes the dream work. Anyone is free to disagree with my opinion.

Team 1 . Aang can easily beat pre LOK toph with air and karata always beats zuko so they take 8/10

Team 1.

Zulu beating Azula wasn't at all impressive. IIRC even Sokka held his own against her when she was insane.

Both members of team 1 beat both members of team 2.

Aang solos.

Assuming Aang is at all serious, this.

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