A gargantuan X-Men battle of Good vs Evil

If it's a fight to the death, Prof X and/or Jean can just instantly render most of team 2 brain dead. Then it's a fight between team 1 and what's left of team 2.

Oh, and I forgot. To the death? Juggernaut can almost solo, since as far as I know none of team one could ever actually kill him.

@BeefiestName said:

If it's a fight to the death, Prof X and/or Jean can just instantly render most of team 2 brain dead. Then it's a fight between team 1 and what's left of team 2.

Magneto (helmet)/Apocalypse/Sabertooth (since Wolverine pierced his frontal lobe) (/Juggernaut (helmet)/Mystique would be able to ignore brain attacks. Scarlet Witch and Agatha Harkness would be tough too with their magic. Quicksilver could attack them before they launch their mind attack against him. Mesmero might turn them on his side before they attack too.

Probably team two because of the Magneto/Apocalypse/Juggernaut. Omega Red is also a nasty guy who can take on or at least impede many opponents.

Team 1 with ease.

Team 2's lack of telepath's will give them a loss as most of there member's are taken out including the Juggernaut after his helmet is predictably removed. Magneto is also very weak at the moment, couldn't even stop a truck.

Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Storm, Iceman and amped Cyclop's could do horrible things with no morals. They will also function a lot better as a team along with Cyclop's guidance.

@mrtrevorguy said:

Good luck removing there helmets Lol

Cyclop's took it off Colossus with a quick blast in Gillen's uncanny and his blasts are a lot stronger now, he has less control over there use but that won't matter with morals off. Magneto isn't a factor in his weakened state his best feat has been throwing a skateboard although his powers may do something else know but that's just speculation and unrelated to this battle.

Doesn't matter even if they get the helmets off. It's a fight to the death. Juggernaut wins even if by old age.

@BeefiestName said:

Doesn't matter even if they get the helmets off. It's a fight to the death. Juggernaut wins even if by old age.

They would be able to take him to Magik to get his powers removed which she has shown she can do with ease when trolling Colossus, if that's not allowed then I suppose the immortal vegetable sort of wins.

Team 2 ftw

Stomp....maybe....How does team two stop Legion? Isn't he he's a reality warper like Wanda?

@THUNDERBOLT30: With Wanda herself perhaps.

@Dextersinister said:

@mrtrevorguy said:

Good luck removing there helmets Lol

Cyclop's took it off Colossus with a quick blast in Gillen's uncanny and his blasts are a lot stronger now, he has less control over there use but that won't matter with morals off. Magneto isn't a factor in his weakened state his best feat has been throwing a skateboard although his powers may do something else know but that's just speculation and unrelated to this battle.

Cyclops taking Colossus' helmet off is irrelevant and pointless as Colossus isn't Cain. And that moment was arguable in of itself that Colossus didn't seem like his powers were active and just kept the helmet hence why it broke so easily in the first place as the helmet protects against telepathy, not Cyttorak's influence. His eyes weren't red and he was calm considering this was still in the period he had issues controlling his Juggernaut powers unless he was smashing something.

@god_spawn: How is irrelevant they had the exact same power and of course it was active for 3 reasons, Colossus admitted he never wanted to turn it off to his sister only exception was to save Utopia, they where in the middle of a fight so why would he de-activate it and the most obvious one is he was clearly powered up given how bulky he was. Cyclop's took the helmet off him with a weaker blast than the one he has now.

@Dextersinister: They didn't have the same power. Colossus never showed the physical immunity Cain did. Colossus also didn't seem as strong as Cain either in his base Juggernaut form. And he turned it off because he couldn't control it as easy. I already mentioned in the beginning he didn't have the best control unless smashing something nor were his eyes glowing etc. And there is also the fact Colossus removed his helmet before entering Sinister's palace but Emma told him to keep it on because the helmet keeps telepathy out, hence why he put it back on. And also considering that Kuurth only merely dented it and with Juggernaut's being vulnerable to magic, why you think Cyclops blasting it off and shattering it makes any sense is beyond me. And both happened under Gillen's pen. The only reason it would make sense is that Colossus did shut off his Juggernaut powers, removing Cyttorak's added durability to the helmet, and thus Cyclops was able to blow it off so easy and break it.

@god_spawn: You say he never showed Cain's physical immunity or strength but Colossus was never matched physically, he threw his fight with Rulk and only had trouble with Sinister and Unit's mind control. Cytorakk also admitted he liked Colossus as an avatar better than Cain who wasn't held in high regard by Cytorakk in his last appearance as the Juggernaut so would be weaker than Colossus who's powers stacked with the Juggernaut's.

He didn't shatter it merely knocked it off which they where able to do to a more powerful Cain in Fear itself except this time he does not have any defense against telepath's. The juggernaut has a history of having his helmet removed.

Team 2

I believe that Team One would win, with Charles and Jean totally dominating via telepathy. Shadowcat can potentially kill Juggernaut by phasing his heart out. Furthermore, Juggernaut's helmet has been taken off before, if you actually read graphic novels.

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@MasterAction said:

@SavageDragon said:

Team 2

Yes Apocalypse is definitely a major player in the outcome of this battle

However a morals off Jean Grey has shown she can rip through his armour telekenetically, make him helpless telepathically by freezing him and even seperate his soul from Cyclops' body when Apoc took control of Scott's mind. Combined with Professor X's telepathic abilities I believe those two could potentially take him. But let me know what you think :) how do you see the battle going down overall?

Apoc was jobbing for years before he died and Angel with the life seed would be his match or Leech riding on the shoulders of Colossus, then it would be an old man vs an 7-8 foot russian.

couldn't legion solo?

@SoA said:

couldn't legion solo?

Potentially yes but as far as I am aware he has little control over his powers, he may have gotten better in Legacy but I don't read it.

Right, I see this as an extremely close battle. I'll highlight the people who I think are the main threats to the opposing team.

Lets start with the main threats of the Evil Team on the Good Team:

1. Magneto - Everyone knows what this man can do, he is a natural born leader and needs no prep time to come up with some devastating tactics. He is also able to resist almost all of the strongest telepathic attacks that Charles and Jean can throw at him.
2. Quicksilver - This guy is just rapid (although not as good as flash IMO, but that doesn't matter), with his super speed he could easily decapitate some people on the Good Team before them even noticing him.
3. Juggernaut - Just a don. It would take the combined efforts of most of the Good Team to take this guy down.
4. Scarlet Witch - She can use her hexes to light flammable objects, contain or remove air from a particular volume, deflect objects, stop the momentum of projectiles, open doors, explode objects, create force fields and deflect magical attacks... nuff said
5. Apocalypse - He can make himself as big as a planet if he wants to and he can survive fatal injuries so arguably he could very well destroy the good team by himself.

Now the main threats of the Good Team on the Evil Team:

1. Jean Grey - Now even though she's not Phoenix here she could still dominate most of the Evil Team, as her telepathy would be too much for them.
2. Professor X - Again just like Magneto, he is a born leader and needs no prep. Also with morals off there's a possibility that he could go mental and just mind control everyone and maybe even kill them all.
3. Iceman - Now a lot of people may wonder why I've included him in this, but he is amazing! With morals off he could just flash freeze everyone on the Evil Team and then you'd just need to give them a gentle tap for them to smash into millions of pieces.
4. Legion - This guy has some mad skills, and like Apocalypse, he could quite possibly destroy all of the Evil Team.
5. Storm/ Shadowcat - I couldn't decide which one of these two so I'll count them as one. Storm is just extremely powerful, although I've always thought that she's been slightly afraid of her power, but with morals off this is sure to change. Shadowcat is essentially invincible as she could basically use her ability the whole time and not get hurt.

So overall I believe that the Good team would win this as in my opinion they have the best team with the best abilities. I know that a lot of people wont agree with what I've said and so I welcome any feedback to my post :)

@HomasTardy said:

Right, I see this as an extremely close battle. I'll highlight the people who I think are the main threats to the opposing team.

Lets start with the main threats of the Evil Team on the Good Team:

1. Magneto - Everyone knows what this man can do, he is a natural born leader and needs no prep time to come up with some devastating tactics. He is also able to resist almost all of the strongest telepathic attacks that Charles and Jean can throw at him.
2. Quicksilver - This guy is just rapid (although not as good as flash IMO, but that doesn't matter), with his super speed he could easily decapitate some people on the Good Team before them even noticing him.
3. Juggernaut - Just a don. It would take the combined efforts of most of the Good Team to take this guy down.
4. Scarlet Witch - She can use her hexes to light flammable objects, contain or remove air from a particular volume, deflect objects, stop the momentum of projectiles, open doors, explode objects, create force fields and deflect magical attacks... nuff said
5. Apocalypse - He can make himself as big as a planet if he wants to and he can survive fatal injuries so arguably he could very well destroy the good team by himself.

Now the main threats of the Good Team on the Evil Team:

1. Jean Grey - Now even though she's not Phoenix here she could still dominate most of the Evil Team, as her telepathy would be too much for them.
2. Professor X - Again just like Magneto, he is a born leader and needs no prep. Also with morals off there's a possibility that he could go mental and just mind control everyone and maybe even kill them all.
3. Iceman - Now a lot of people may wonder why I've included him in this, but he is amazing! With morals off he could just flash freeze everyone on the Evil Team and then you'd just need to give them a gentle tap for them to smash into millions of pieces.
4. Legion - This guy has some mad skills, and like Apocalypse, he could quite possibly destroy all of the Evil Team.
5. Storm/ Shadowcat - I couldn't decide which one of these two so I'll count them as one. Storm is just extremely powerful, although I've always thought that she's been slightly afraid of her power, but with morals off this is sure to change. Shadowcat is essentially invincible as she could basically use her ability the whole time and not get hurt.

So overall I believe that the Good team would win this as in my opinion they have the best team with the best abilities. I know that a lot of people wont agree with what I've said and so I welcome any feedback to my post :)

I forgot to say as well that Shadowcat is arguably the only one who is able to kill Juggernaut by herself, as with morals off, she could use her ability to tear out Juggernaut's heart

@HomasTardy: Nice break down but how can Kitty kill Cain? It's a stalemate at best between those two for me.

@chiq said:

@HomasTardy: Nice break down but how can Kitty kill Cain? It's a stalemate at best between those two for me.

Well I think she could reach into his body by using her ability and then stop using her ability when she grabs his heart and then rip it out. (let me know if you don't understand that, I'm not sure if i explained it very well :P )

@HomasTardy: Yeah but Juggernauts heal. Cain even functioned as a skeleton.

not a good thread...team 2 in a stomp...Apoc/Magnito/juggy come on

@darkelf35 said:

not a good thread...team 2 in a stomp...Apoc/Magnito/juggy come on

Are you kidding me?? This is an amazing battle! You must be crazy to think that this isn't a good thread!

I think that the Good team has a real chance if they work together well (which is more likely to happen between them than the evil team)

The big evil threats are Apocalypse and Magneto as they can turn the whole battle in seconds.

However, with enough distraction, Professor X can prevent Apocalypse's size alteration leaving him a manageable foe for the others to take care of, (possibly Shadowcat has a good chance to rip his insides up a bit)

And as for Magneto, he should become easy meat if Legion's power's of reality warping and time travel can be kept under control with help from the others.

Team 1 has a decent chance against team 2

Prof X and Jean can destroy the minds of a large number of the opposition, rendering them brain dead

I'm not sure if its possible but night-crawler could possibly sneak Rogue behind Eric and get a bit personal and touch him.

Kitty could possibly cause damage to Apocalypse, if Charles manages to take the opportunity against him, he could become distracted enough for Kitty to do internal damage.

As for Juggers, he will take down a lot of the good team, if they remove his helmet (unlikely, as it will be a difficult task to achieve) then all focus can be on taking down Apocalypse

But Juggers can solo and if Apocalypse can, he will destroy many of those in the good team, Magneto can be taken down but in all if played out right the Evil team should win.

@Mistry_Riddler said:

Team 1 has a decent chance against team 2

Prof X and Jean can destroy the minds of a large number of the opposition, rendering them brain dead

I'm not sure if its possible but night-crawler could possibly sneak Rogue behind Eric and get a bit personal and touch him.

Kitty could possibly cause damage to Apocalypse, if Charles manages to take the opportunity against him, he could become distracted enough for Kitty to do internal damage.

As for Juggers, he will take down a lot of the good team, if they remove his helmet (unlikely, as it will be a difficult task to achieve) then all focus can be on taking down Apocalypse

But Juggers can solo and if Apocalypse can, he will destroy many of those in the good team, Magneto can be taken down but in all if played out right the Evil team should win.

I agree with most of the stuff you've said here, but haven't you forgotten about Iceman? He could flash freeze just about all of the Evil team, leaving them to be mere spectators in this battle

@MasterAction: Yeah, but with morals off we could be looking at a completely different Iceman here. And yes your right that Magneto, Quicksilver, Juggernaut, Scarlet Witch and Apocalypse wouldn't just be standing by, they'd be dealing with the distraction by the Good team, giving Iceman enough time to flash freeze them.