How will Spidey fare angainst a Cap that is superior to 616 Cap
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616 Spider-Man vs Ultimate Captain America
" @JediXMan said:i think he mite be talking about the civil war fight is the only thing i really recall" 616 Cap beat Spider-Man. Ultimate Cap > 616 Cap. "When?
Ultimate Cap has lost to people that are < 616 Cap. It doesn't prove anything. "
" @Morpheus_ said:Spider-Man did not lose that fight." @JediXMan said:i think he mite be talking about the civil war fight is the only thing i really recall "" 616 Cap beat Spider-Man. Ultimate Cap > 616 Cap. "When?
Ultimate Cap has lost to people that are < 616 Cap. It doesn't prove anything. "
616 Cap beat 616 Spider-Man while Spider-Man had the iron suit. Cap ran only when he realized that the mission was a failure.
I haven't read Ultimates 3 (... I probably shouldn't...) and most of Ultimates 2. But from what I saw in that and Ultimates 1, he's pretty good.
" @PirateKing69 said:I agree i was only suggesting that was the fight he was talking about" @Morpheus_ said:Spider-Man did not lose that fight. "" @JediXMan said:i think he mite be talking about the civil war fight is the only thing i really recall "" 616 Cap beat Spider-Man. Ultimate Cap > 616 Cap. "When?
Ultimate Cap has lost to people that are < 616 Cap. It doesn't prove anything. "
" @Morpheus_: 616 Cap beat 616 Spider-Man while Spider-Man had the iron suit. Cap ran only when he realized that the mission was a failure. . "Not at all. Spider-Man was neither knocked out, nor incapacitated, and in fact, he landed the final hit that made Cap bleed before Cap fled, exclaiming that "fighting like a spider" would grant him the win.
Captain America having the upper hand in a fight where Spider-Man was second guessing himself is no proof of him beating Spider-Man. Because I can just as easily bring up this.
As you said, he only had the upper hand after he realized that he had to utilize his iron suit's arms. He did that in the scan you showed - he used his arms and stealth capabilities. And I believe that suit might provide a tiny bit of durability. In the fight that I mentioned, he fought like he didn't have the suit. Therefore, I believe that he wouldn't have even gained the upper hand without the suit.
Honestly, Spider-Man's durability is such, that Captain America actually hurting him post-Other, and in the Iron Spider armor no less, is nothing less than humorous." @Morpheus_: As you said, he only had the upper hand after he realized that he had to utilize his iron suit's arms. He did that in the scan you showed - he used his arms and stealth capabilities. And I believe that suit might provide a tiny bit of durability. In the fight that I mentioned, he fought like he didn't have the suit. Therefore, I believe that he wouldn't have even gained the upper hand without the suit. "
Enough to slug it out with Titanium Man, who is class 50." @Morpheus_: How much durability does it actually grant him? "
But, really, taking the average durability showings for Spider-Man into account, Cap's hits should have a minimal effect on him, armor, or not. He has a plethora of villains with showings of vast strength far beyond Steve's peak, and he tends to fight them in length without problem. For instance, a punch by Mister Negative send Spider-Man flying through three buildings, and he was still conscious afterwards. Without the shield, Cap isn't taking Spider-Man in a straight fist fight. And in that particular fight, Cap did not hit Spider-Man with his shield (using it as a diversion, instead), so the whole thing is implausible.
" @Morpheus_: Fair enough. Though I took it that Steve used Peter's momentum against him. Could be wrong, though. But that's 616 Cap. I thought Ultimate was supposed to be superior? "
Some Ultimates are superior...some aren't
" @comicdude23: I meant Captain America specifically. "
Ultimate Captain America is superior to 616 Captain America...
" @comicdude23 said:" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Ultimate Cap wrecked him?
" @Morpheus_ said:If by wrecked, you mean threw him off balance and then got owned, yeah, he wrecked him." @comicdude23 said:Ultimate Cap wrecked him? "" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Funny how Ultimate Cap couldn't beat Ultimate Spider-Man, but no one cares to mention that, eh?
" @comicdude23 said:" @Morpheus_ said:If by wrecked, you mean threw him off balance and then got owned, yeah, he wrecked him." @comicdude23 said:Ultimate Cap wrecked him? "" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Funny how Ultimate Cap couldn't beat Ultimate Spider-Man, but no one cares to mention that, eh? "
So you think 616 Cap > Ultimate Cap
" @comicdude23 said:" @Morpheus_ said:If by wrecked, you mean threw him off balance and then got owned, yeah, he wrecked him." @comicdude23 said:Ultimate Cap wrecked him? "" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Funny how Ultimate Cap couldn't beat Ultimate Spider-Man, but no one cares to mention that, eh? "
Just for fun, you should find the scan of when Ultimate Parker wearing the symbiote BFR'd Cap.
" @Morpheus_ said:I think 616 Cap has superior showings of skill, while Ultimate Cap is physically superior." @comicdude23 said:So you think 616 Cap > Ultimate Cap "" @Morpheus_ said:If by wrecked, you mean threw him off balance and then got owned, yeah, he wrecked him." @comicdude23 said:Ultimate Cap wrecked him? "" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Funny how Ultimate Cap couldn't beat Ultimate Spider-Man, but no one cares to mention that, eh? "
@k4tzm4n said:
" Just for fun, you should find the scan of when Ultimate Parker wearing the symbiote BFR'd Cap. "
Wasn't he eating him? LOL.
"@Morpheus_ said:" @comicdude23 said:So you think 616 Cap > Ultimate Cap "" @Morpheus_ said:If by wrecked, you mean threw him off balance and then got owned, yeah, he wrecked him." @comicdude23 said:Ultimate Cap wrecked him? "" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Funny how Ultimate Cap couldn't beat Ultimate Spider-Man, but no one cares to mention that, eh? "
How did you jump to that conclusion???????????
"@comicdude23 said:"@Morpheus_ said:How did you jump to that conclusion??????????? "" @comicdude23 said:So you think 616 Cap > Ultimate Cap "" @Morpheus_ said:If by wrecked, you mean threw him off balance and then got owned, yeah, he wrecked him." @comicdude23 said:Ultimate Cap wrecked him? "" @Morpheus_: Ultimate Cap fought Hulk... "Spider-Man fought 616 Hulk. Your point? "
Funny how Ultimate Cap couldn't beat Ultimate Spider-Man, but no one cares to mention that, eh? "
I never said i think that...
Anyways I think Spider-Man would win.
they did fight...i don't have the scans tho and they didn't finish it" @PirateKing69: Spider-Man was on Cap's side for most of Civil War! I don't think they fought. Anyways I think Spider-Man would win. "
" @PirateKing69: Spider-Man was on Cap's side for most of Civil War! I don't think they fought. Anyways I think Spider-Man would win. ".... no, for most of Civil War they were on opposite sides. They fought twice: once in Spider-Man's tie-in and once in a group fight in the Civil War main title (I think #3 or 4)
" @Deadcool: It was also because Cap knew Spider-Man's moves. Peter was trying, but wasn't capable of landing a hit until he started using his suit's capabilities. "In that comic, that was a dumb excuse... Spider-man has shown greater speed than the one appeared in that issue,The Cap needed to seem superior just in that issue, but the Cap is just a peak human, Spider-man a superhuman with the Speed of 15 persons and enough strength to lift 10 tons, he is clearly superior to the Cap.
" @mewmdude77 said:ASM # 534, and Civil War # 3, yes." @PirateKing69: Spider-Man was on Cap's side for most of Civil War! I don't think they fought. Anyways I think Spider-Man would win. ".... no, for most of Civil War they were on opposite sides. They fought twice: once in Spider-Man's tie-in and once in a group fight in the Civil War main title (I think #3 or 4) "
" @JediXMan said:First off, losing in your own issue is pretty bad. You have to admit. Second, Steve is more tactical than Peter is. He used Spider-Man's moves and his senses against him. I think he also used the momentum of Spider-Man's blows to make his own hits harder." @Deadcool: It was also because Cap knew Spider-Man's moves. Peter was trying, but wasn't capable of landing a hit until he started using his suit's capabilities. "In that comic, that was a dumb excuse... Spider-man has shown greater speed than the one appeared in that issue,The Cap needed to seem superior just in that issue, but the Cap is just a peak human, Spider-man a superhuman with the Speed of 15 persons and enough strength to lift 10 tons, he is clearly superior to the Cap. "
I need to see these scans that show Ultimate Cap is physically superior to 616 cap before I say anything.
First off, losing in your own issue is pretty bad. You have to admit. Second, Steve is more tactical than Peter is. He used Spider-Man's moves and his senses against him. I think he also used the momentum of Spider-Man's blows to make his own hits harder. "Yes he is, but also, Peter is a genius, the one reason that the Cap seemed superior, is because if he has lost, then the war would have finished.
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