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#1 Posted by brharri (838 posts) - - Show Bio

Storm vs. Reed Richards 
Jean Grey vs. Invisible Woman 
Ice-man vs. Human Torch 
Colossus vs. Thing 
 
 
 
1 hour Prep 
20 Miles Apart 
K.O
(no force fields in heads) 
Location: Beach (Windy&Rainy)

#2 Posted by brharri (838 posts) - - Show Bio

Woooo!!!!!!! Go X-men

#3 Posted by rbysjti (10690 posts) - - Show Bio
@brharri said:
" Woooo!!!!!!! Go X-men "
Storm wins against Mr. Fantastic in less than a conscious thought.
 
Jean Grey disintegrates Sue and her shield.
 
Human Torch may have a better chance of winning against Iceman but not killing him.
 
Colossus crushes Thing like a rock.
 
 
The X-Men will win
#4 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17154 posts) - - Show Bio

Without prep.:
Storm vs. Reed Richards (in curbstomp with one lightning)
Jean Grey vs. Invisible Woman (by TP)
Ice-man vs. Human Torch (by higher power over temperature)
Colossus vs. Thing  (greater durability)
 
With prep, Richards will defeat Storm.

#5 Posted by brharri (838 posts) - - Show Bio
@rbysjti: Omg!??!!? this is completley True
#6 Posted by brharri (838 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael: I don't understand what prep will do for him in a fight
#7 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@rbysjti:  

Colossus crushes Thing like a rock.  


 
 
Seriously, the fact that thing might be as strong and durable as colossus but a better fighter, means nothing for you? 
=]
#8 Posted by rbysjti (10690 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @rbysjti:  

Colossus crushes Thing like a rock.  

  Seriously, the fact that thing might be as strong and durable as colossus but a better fighter, means nothing for you? =] "
"might" is a weak word. Besides, Colossus is stronger. the question is, who will win and i'm sure Peter will win against Ben
#9 Posted by TheDEMON! (468 posts) - - Show Bio

Why does the FF need prep when they already know the X-men.
#10 Edited by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@rbysjti said:

" @spidey 15 said:

" @rbysjti:  

Colossus crushes Thing like a rock.  

  Seriously, the fact that thing might be as strong and durable as colossus but a better fighter, means nothing for you? =] "
"might" is a weak word. Besides, Colossus is stronger. the question is, who will win and i'm sure Peter will win against Ben "
Might, means that thing might be equal if not stronger. 
And against a better fighter who is actually as strong and durable as colossus, then Peter will lose, sorry. 
Even if Pete is stronger( veeeeeeeeery doubtful ) ben's superior skills will give him the win. 
=]
#11 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, colossus is considerably stronger but Thing is more skilled and he is also has some impressive showing against characters like Wonder man, Hercules and namor( underwater ). 

#12 Posted by karrob (4279 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
" Without prep.:
Storm vs. Reed Richards (in curbstomp with one lightning)
Jean Grey vs. Invisible Woman (by TP)
Ice-man vs. Human Torch (by higher power over temperature)
Colossus vs. Thing  (greater durability)  With prep, Richards will defeat Storm. "
#13 Posted by Power NeXus (9899 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
"Well, colossus is considerably stronger but Thing is more skilled and he is also has some impressive showing against characters like Wonder man, Hercules and namor( underwater ).  "

From what I understand, Thing might be stronger than Colossus, but Colossus is more durable. Also, they're probably about equal in fighting skill. Thing is known for being a skilled wrestler, but Colossus has had several years of h-2-h training with the likes of Wolverine, Psylocke, ect. 
As for Thing having more impressive showings, I think that's just because he's always one of the main characters in his books. Colossus is usually surrounded by at least half a dozen other X-Men every time he appears, so he just doesn't get a spotlight nearly as much.
#14 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio

X-Men, easily. 
 
Why is it always one-sided to whatever team Jean and / or Storm is on? Every. Single. Time.

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#15 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17154 posts) - - Show Bio
@brharri said:
" @czarny_samael: I don't understand what prep will do for him in a fight "
He we will make some crazy PIS device and he will take her powers of her. He will make something that will give him more control over wheater. He is walking PIS with prep. He theoretically can defeat almost anyone with prep.
#16 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantastic Four wins. Reed Richards has an hour to prepare.

#17 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Reed gives a call to Tony, and he lends him his depowering device. Crisis averted.
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#18 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
   Fantastic Four wins.
 
@JediXMan said:
" X-Men, easily.   Why is it always one-sided to whatever team Jean and / or Storm is on? Every. Single. Time. "
  Because the fan-boys don't want a fight where their favorite character might lose, it would shock their little world if we showed that their favorite characters aren't the gods they like to portray them as.
#19 Posted by vegeta (4902 posts) - - Show Bio
@Power NeXus said:
"@spidey 15 said:
"Well, colossus is considerably stronger but Thing is more skilled and he is also has some impressive showing against characters like Wonder man, Hercules and namor( underwater ).  "
From what I understand, Thing might be stronger than Colossus, but Colossus is more durable. Also, they're probably about equal in fighting skill. Thing is known for being a skilled wrestler, but Colossus has had several years of h-2-h training with the likes of Wolverine, Psylocke, ect. As for Thing having more impressive showings, I think that's just because he's always one of the main characters in his books. Colossus is usually surrounded by at least half a dozen other X-Men every time he appears, so he just doesn't get a spotlight nearly as much. "

exactly
#20 Posted by EmperorVulcan (365 posts) - - Show Bio

If Jean has the Phoenix Force, X-Men win; Fantastic Four win otherwise, mainly because of Sue.
 
BTW, Colossus is most definitely stronger than Thing.  This is not an assumption.  Thing is the better fighter.

#21 Posted by Fresh0133 (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Reed gets an hour prep?  Yeah, sorry X-Men, you give reed Richards that much time and you're likely not going to like the result of what he comes up with.

#22 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio

  Oh, yeah one question.  Why the heck is Storm facing off against Reed Richards?  That makes absolutely no possible sense.  That's such a retarded match up.

#23 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita said:
"   Oh, yeah one question.  Why the heck is Storm facing off against Reed Richards?  That makes absolutely no possible sense.  That's such a retarded match up. "
Simple explanation. Because the OP wanted to put Storm against someone who had minimal chances against her.
 
And then he shot himself in the foot by giving Richards prep.
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#24 Posted by Fresh0133 (496 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Amegashita said:
"   Oh, yeah one question.  Why the heck is Storm facing off against Reed Richards?  That makes absolutely no possible sense.  That's such a retarded match up. "
Simple explanation. Because the OP wanted to put Storm against someone who had minimal chances against her.
 
And then he shot himself in the foot by giving Richards prep.
"

Exactly.
#25 Edited by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmperorVulcan:  Fantastic Four win not because of Sue, but because Reed has an hour prep.
 
@Morpheus_:  Lol, still a retarded match up.  But since Reed has prep it's not just retarded, its utterly so.
#26 Posted by Renee (10289 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantastic 4 the win. :)
#27 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmperorVulcan: 
 
Nobody in the Fantasitc Four - not even Sue - can bring down Iceman.
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#28 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah, didn't notice that Reed had prep.
 
Reed solos.

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#29 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @EmperorVulcan:   Nobody in the Fantasitc Four - not even Sue - can bring down Iceman. "
They can't kill Iceman, but they can defeat him.
#30 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @EmperorVulcan:   Nobody in the Fantasitc Four - not even Sue - can bring down Iceman. "
They can't kill Iceman, but they can defeat him. "
He should be able to beat any of them. Torch I don't think would be too much of a problem. 
 
I feel like Sue is extremely overrated.
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#31 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @EmperorVulcan:   Nobody in the Fantasitc Four - not even Sue - can bring down Iceman. "
They can't kill Iceman, but they can defeat him. "
He should be able to beat any of them. Torch I don't think would be too much of a problem.   I feel like Sue is extremely overrated. "
Iceman gets defeated on a regular basis even with his secondary mutation of being able to survive as a gas.
#32 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody: 
 
I think it generally depends on the writer.
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#33 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @Nobody:   I think it generally depends on the writer. "
I think it's his character. Iceman has the potential to be really powerful, but he lacks the mental capacity to due so. He gets owned by opponents far weaker than anyone on the Fantastic Four. As I said, none of them under their own power could kill Iceman, but if they only have to defeat him, they can do that no problem.
#34 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @Nobody:   I think it generally depends on the writer. "
I think it's his character. Iceman has the potential to be really powerful, but he lacks the mental capacity to due so. He gets owned by opponents far weaker than anyone on the Fantastic Four. As I said, none of them under their own power could kill Iceman, but if they only have to defeat him, they can do that no problem. "
Ah, alright then. I missed where you said they could win as a team.
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#35 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @Nobody:   I think it generally depends on the writer. "
I think it's his character. Iceman has the potential to be really powerful, but he lacks the mental capacity to due so. He gets owned by opponents far weaker than anyone on the Fantastic Four. As I said, none of them under their own power could kill Iceman, but if they only have to defeat him, they can do that no problem. "
Ah, alright then. I missed where you said they could win as a team. "
I didn't say as a team :P I believe Sue or Torch could take him. Under the right circumstances, I could buy Thing or Mr. Fantastic defeating him, but that is very rare.
#36 Posted by MrRagePants (843 posts) - - Show Bio
Storm vs. Reed Richards 
Reed with prep can (should) be able to device a tech to fight off Storm's powers. Regarding the time it takes to make that device, this fight might still go to Storm if Reed cannot finish it in time. (Though with no prep, Storm wins).

Jean Grey vs. Invisible Woman 
I would go with Jean since her TP is insanely OP. But I've read some comics/scans where IW was able to block Jean's TP. Though those were old scans, I assume Jean's powers developed exponentially, but I assume the same for Sue. But TP + TK is pretty crazy.

Ice-man vs. Human Torch 
I'm leaning more towards Ice-man.

Colossus vs. Thing 
Both are equal in strength and durability (depends on the writer, both of them fought off the Hulk, both of them got KO'd by <insert villain here>) . In terms of fighting ability, Ben takes this. Plus, most comics that I read, Colossus seems to be someone who would rather avoid confrontation while Ben will just say "It's clobberin' time!". Base on these characteristics, I say Thing gets a one up for being willing to kick ass.
#37 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah. Read it wrong, @Nobody said:

" @JediXMan said:
" @Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @Nobody:   I think it generally depends on the writer. "
I think it's his character. Iceman has the potential to be really powerful, but he lacks the mental capacity to due so. He gets owned by opponents far weaker than anyone on the Fantastic Four. As I said, none of them under their own power could kill Iceman, but if they only have to defeat him, they can do that no problem. "
Ah, alright then. I missed where you said they could win as a team. "
I didn't say as a team :P I believe Sue or Torch could take him. Under the right circumstances, I could buy Thing or Mr. Fantastic defeating him, but that is very rare. "
Ah, read it wrong. Sorry.
 
Reed could win with tech. But I don't see either Reed or Thing wining otherwise. Torch... debatable.
 
I still see Sue as being overrated.
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#38 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" Ah. Read it wrong, @Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @Nobody said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @Nobody:   I think it generally depends on the writer. "
I think it's his character. Iceman has the potential to be really powerful, but he lacks the mental capacity to due so. He gets owned by opponents far weaker than anyone on the Fantastic Four. As I said, none of them under their own power could kill Iceman, but if they only have to defeat him, they can do that no problem. "
Ah, alright then. I missed where you said they could win as a team. "
I didn't say as a team :P I believe Sue or Torch could take him. Under the right circumstances, I could buy Thing or Mr. Fantastic defeating him, but that is very rare. "
Ah, read it wrong. Sorry.  Reed could win with tech. But I don't see either Reed or Thing wining otherwise. Torch... debatable.  I still see Sue as being overrated. "
1. I could see Thing or Reed winning with environment. 
2. If Torch battles intelligently like he has shown, he shouldn't have a problem defeating Iceman.
3. How so?
#39 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody: 
 
1. I don't see how.
2. Maybe,
3. I'm sick of hearing the "bubble in the brain" thing. She's been said to beat the likes pf Apocalypse in some threads.
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#40 Posted by Power NeXus (9899 posts) - - Show Bio

@EmperorVulcan: 

BTW, Colossus is most definitely stronger than Thing.  This is not an assumption.

 

I would very much like to see your evidence to support that.

#41 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" @Nobody:   1. I don't see how. 2. Maybe, 3. I'm sick of hearing the "bubble in the brain" thing. She's been said to beat the likes pf Apocalypse in some threads. "
1. It depends on the environment, but I could see it being very possible.
2. Again, I see it being more likely Torch wins due to intelligence. He may be cocky, but he knows what he is doing.
3. That's not the reason Sue wins. Sue wins because he is powerful enough to win.
#42 Posted by EmperorVulcan (365 posts) - - Show Bio
@Power NeXus said:
"

@EmperorVulcan: 

BTW, Colossus is most definitely stronger than Thing.  This is not an assumption.

 

I would very much like to see your evidence to support that.

"
Since when does common sense require evidence?
#43 Posted by Power NeXus (9899 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmperorVulcan said:
" @Power NeXus said:
"

@EmperorVulcan: 

BTW, Colossus is most definitely stronger than Thing.  This is not an assumption.

 

I would very much like to see your evidence to support that.

"
Since when does common sense require evidence? "

Common sense does not require evidence. 
 
However, I fail to see how that applies in this situation. The idea that Colossus is significantly stronger than the Thing is in no way common sense, as all official Marvel handbook power ratings, and all canon strength feats that I have seen (and I have seen quite a few) place them at roughly the same strength level.
#44 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Power NeXus said:
" @spidey 15 said:
"Well, colossus is considerably stronger but Thing is more skilled and he is also has some impressive showing against characters like Wonder man, Hercules and namor( underwater ).  "
From what I understand, Thing might be stronger than Colossus, but Colossus is more durable. Also, they're probably about equal in fighting skill. Thing is known for being a skilled wrestler, but Colossus has had several years of h-2-h training with the likes of Wolverine, Psylocke, ect. As for Thing having more impressive showings, I think that's just because he's always one of the main characters in his books. Colossus is usually surrounded by at least half a dozen other X-Men every time he appears, so he just doesn't get a spotlight nearly as much. "
In handbooks i think Thing is above Colossus. He is not by a large margin but he is better fighter according to handbooks. 
=]
#45 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @Power NeXus said:
" @spidey 15 said:
"Well, colossus is considerably stronger but Thing is more skilled and he is also has some impressive showing against characters like Wonder man, Hercules and namor( underwater ).  "
From what I understand, Thing might be stronger than Colossus, but Colossus is more durable. Also, they're probably about equal in fighting skill. Thing is known for being a skilled wrestler, but Colossus has had several years of h-2-h training with the likes of Wolverine, Psylocke, ect. As for Thing having more impressive showings, I think that's just because he's always one of the main characters in his books. Colossus is usually surrounded by at least half a dozen other X-Men every time he appears, so he just doesn't get a spotlight nearly as much. "
In handbooks i think Thing is above Colossus. He is not by a large margin but he is better fighter according to handbooks. =] "
They are in the same class.
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#46 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_: Static told me that thing is above Peter( i think ). 
=]
#47 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @Morpheus_: Static told me that thing is above Peter( i think ). =] "
It's debatable. They have both had showings that would put them above their strength class, like most heavy hitters in Marvel.
#48 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @Morpheus_: Static told me that thing is above Peter( i think ). =] "
It's debatable. They have both had showings that would put them above their strength class, like most heavy hitters in Marvel. "
I'm talking about skills. 
=]
#49 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @Morpheus_: Static told me that thing is above Peter( i think ). =] "
As far as handbook ratings go, they are both listed as being class 6.
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#50 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_:  You're one of those "Forum Mods" people too. You should see what I told Lance :P