Are you kidding me? The last children of Sparta collectively rape, pillage and slap the black off of Easterlings. Easterlings would not win against Immortals either and will have a hard time with Arcadians and Persians, probably get handled by them too. This is spite.
Now a better fight would be 1,000,000 Uruk-Hai Orcs vs. 300 Spartans, maybe spite actually since they got fucked over in Twin Towers by Elves and a handful of Rohirrim.
Not necessarily,,though they probably wouldn't beat one million, Uruk-hai are slaughtered by the dozen by people possessing high skills in war. Look how many we're killed at helms deep by an army that was hardly half as good as a spartan..I'd say they would take a great number down before dying but not in minutes
It took Legolas 15 minutes to down 1 Oliphant and he is considered to be the overall best warrior on the battlefield. It took Astenios a couple of seconds to kill a giant charging Rhinoceros, and a front flank of Spartans to overpower a bunch of Oliphants. So no, I'm not aware they would lose in minutes.
1 charge from not even about 25% of a full army of Rohirrim blitz a wavering 10,000 Uruk Hai lead by Gandalf.
Uruk-Hai will not come in full force, obviously the same thing will happen to them as it was happening to the Persians, depending on if they're trying to rush the Hot Gates. Spartans win via dominance.
The only Spartan casulties were from Immortals and they're elite technical fighters. Uruk Hai have no cavetrolls or catapults, just waves. Or fuck it, give them that too. Ofcourse they lose, lol what are you smoking?
If they were fighting in Thermopalye, the Spartans would have the advantage. Yet it's stated that the fight takes place in Pelennor field, so I'd say the Easterlings would just walk over them with their Ollyphants.
Do the Easterlings have cavalry? I'm not a big LotR guys. The field matters a lot. In 300 the field was perfect for massed phalanx formations. Not so here.
Each Spartan would have to kill more than 3300 Urukai
The urukai would stampede over them in minutes
Considering Spartans were rumoured to have killed over 2% of the Persian army in the fable. I'd say it's a clean win, god knows how much coverage they had in the movie adapption, probably alot more than 2%, which is ~20,000 if the complete persian army was at 1 million. Spartans did not fight that linear and very rarely fought singlehandedly. You're out of your mind if you think Uruk Hai could break the phalanx in minutes
When they needed berserkers and a battering ram to eventually break down a castle door, and even then did not accomplish the assasination of anyone inside (Aragorn, Theoden, etc).
300 would've made quicker and easy work of them had they replaced the Elves and strongholds of Rohan at Helms Deep on the tower. Look at the Immortals fight, and also the first commencing battle in 300. It was atleast 3-to-1 with immortals and in the first commencing battle.
In first 300 fight, they fought behind the phalanx, which was simultaneous and not individually. Uruk-Hai are nowhere near as tough as Immortals, yet Xerxes special elite forces got stomped that night. If you think Uruk Hai are going to stampede in there in a few minutes, you''ve completely lost the plot. Did you even watch Two Towers?
@AncientSuperSaiyan: I don't see any one from sparta taking down an oliphant. Not on open fields. A few of them should be enough to take down the 300 easily. Spartans had the field advantage there..
@AncientSuperSaiyan: I don't see any one from sparta taking down an oliphant. Not on open fields. A few of them should be enough to take down the 300 easily. Spartans had the field advantage there..
Wrong
It was relatively easy for Oliphants to be downed once they crossed the Rohirrim line. I recall Eamer bringing down one with his spear, aswell as Eowyn bringing one down by slitting it's ankles with two swords. Spartans have spears and swords. Astenos alone, had clear shot accuracy to down a charging Rhino which is many times faster and tougher-skinned than an Oliphant from miles away. It's night night for Oliphants bud.
If Uruk's decide to openly fight 300 like how they performed at Helms Deep...
Helms Deep
Open-season-formation which 300 would take advantage of and how Uruk Hai would charge them.
They will lose when this happens...
Open Phalanx
and here:
Thats atleast 6-to-1 right here....
Dude, it's over. 300 take this by way of attrition.
First of all the Easterlings dont have Oliphants, they dont even have cavelry, and we didnt even see them in action.
Spartans are some of the greatest soldiers earth has ever known, The easterlings are men from the east clad in heavy armour thats all we know, Spartans the perfect warriors they are born to it, they could take on many other Middle earth armies and win quite easily. Both the movie 300 and the real spartans could take the easterlings, Had the 300 fought against the Haradrim and there Mumakil on open ground they would have lost, bearing in mind these things are a 150 ft tall and can easily outrun that rhino from the film.
And the elephants on the film were badly placed,on open ground the spartans would have been raped, on the edge of a cliff elephants are easy prey for a phalanx.
Had the 300 fought against the Haradrim and there Mumakil on open ground they would have lost, bearing in mind these things are a 150 ft tall and can easily outrun that rhino from the film.
And the elephants on the film were badly placed,on open ground the spartans would have been raped, on the edge of a cliff elephants are easy prey for a phalanx.
Watch 300 again. They were dying before they fell off the cliffs. They're also not 150ft tall (lol what?), according to Tone Trump they're around 35ft tall.
"These thick-skinned beasts were almost invulnerable to arrows; their eyes were vulnerable, however, as mûmakil could be blinded or even killed by arrows released with great force. When blinded they went into a rage of pain, often destroying masters and foes alike in their rampages. The tendons in their legs seem to be a vulnerable point however, as several had been taken down by being hamstrung during the battle of pelennor fields"
Coupled that with Spartan accuracy, with the likes of Astenos, I think Spartans suffer no casualties here. There were about 10-12 Mumakill at Pelennor Fields going by the movie and there are no official statements suggesting otherwise. There were countless scenes from 300 where distance was the advantage for Spartans, evidence of this at the commencing battle, when the commanding Persian was shot through the chest, miles away from the actual Phalanx, the Astenos spear-throw on on-coming Rhino with very little distance and lastly, Leonidas' final throw which just went short of Xerses.
Spartans are not going to allow Mumakill to charge them, let's be real here.
@AncientSuperSaiyan: I don't see any one from sparta taking down an oliphant. Not on open fields. A few of them should be enough to take down the 300 easily. Spartans had the field advantage there..
Wrong
It was relatively easy for Oliphants to be downed once they crossed the Rohirrim line. I recall Eamer bringing down one with his spear, aswell as Eowyn bringing one down by slitting it's ankles with two swords. Spartans have spears and swords. Astenos alone, had clear shot accuracy to down a charging Rhino which is many times faster and tougher-skinned than an Oliphant from miles away. It's night night for Oliphants bud.
If Uruk's decide to openly fight 300 like how they performed at Helms Deep...
Helms Deep
Open-season-formation which 300 would take advantage of and how Uruk Hai would charge them.
They will lose when this happens...
Open Phalanx
and here:
Thats atleast 6-to-1 right here....
Dude, it's over. 300 take this by way of attrition.
Well, to make things clear, I am not on Easterlings side here. We're talking about spartans vs other creatures. First, they made the elephant slip down. "They are clumsy beasts.. blah blah" They can't do that in open fields. Second. Eomer did not take a whole olephant down by spear. He took down one of the men (Or orcish looking thing) on it. The elephant collided with other, and they were both down. Next, Eowyn. Maybe you didn't notice, it had about hundred arrows stuck in its legs as well. Also, she was a part of Rohirrim, the horse gave her far better mobility than a foot soldier. As far as I know, spartans don't have that luxury. That rhino was tiny compared to oliphant. Even leonidas can't one shot oliphants. Not from long distance like that rhino. Also, unlike rhinos, elephants have a tendancy to shake their heads around. (Not kidding, it's a fact. You may have heard people calling someone "dashed like a rhino". ) So it's much more important to be close to it's vital spots. Idk if spartans could pull of monkey jumping like legolas did..
Also, even if we assume a basic uruk army of 10k, 6 is to one is not going to help. It'd be about 30 to one. lastly, I don't see how spartans are "taking advantage" of head on battle?
Helms DeepOpen PhalanxThats atleast 6-to-1 right here....
@AncientSuperSaiyan said:
@PrinceAragorn1 said:
@AncientSuperSaiyan: I don't see any one from sparta taking down an oliphant. Not on open fields. A few of them should be enough to take down the 300 easily. Spartans had the field advantage there..
Wrong
It was relatively easy for Oliphants to be downed once they crossed the Rohirrim line. I recall Eamer bringing down one with his spear, aswell as Eowyn bringing one down by slitting it's ankles with two swords. Spartans have spears and swords. Astenos alone, had clear shot accuracy to down a charging Rhino which is many times faster and tougher-skinned than an Oliphant from miles away. It's night night for Oliphants bud.
If Uruk's decide to openly fight 300 like how they performed at Helms Deep...
Open-season-formation which 300 would take advantage of and how Uruk Hai would charge them.
They will lose when this happens...
and here:
Dude, it's over. 300 take this by way of attrition.
Well, to make things clear, I am not on Easterlings side here. We're talking about spartans vs other creatures. First, they made the elephant slip down. "They are clumsy beasts.. blah blah" They can't do that in open fields. Second. Eomer did not take a whole olephant down by spear. He took down one of the men (Or orcish looking thing) on it. The elephant collided with other, and they were both down. Next, Eowyn. Maybe you didn't notice, it had about hundred arrows stuck in its legs as well. Also, she was a part of Rohirrim, the horse gave her far better mobility than a foot soldier. As far as I know, spartans don't have that luxury. That rhino was tiny compared to oliphant. Even leonidas can't one shot oliphants. Not from long distance like that rhino. Also, unlike rhinos, elephants have a tendancy to shake their heads around. (Not kidding, it's a fact. You may have heard people calling someone "dashed like a rhino". ) So it's much more important to be close to it's vital spots. Idk if spartans could pull of monkey jumping like legolas did..
Also, even if we assume a basic uruk army of 10k, 6 is to one is not going to help. It'd be about 30 to one. lastly, I don't see how spartans are "taking advantage" of head on battle?
It was already stated that several Mumakills had been hamstrung. So the amount of spears already exiting within it's hide is moot. How do you explain the damage of a slash of swords against hundreds of spears? If you think the Spartans are just going to stand there whilst the Mumakill charge them with tusks, or charge the Mumakill head on like Theoden, then you're being deliberately unreasonable.
There is no way they will do any of the latter. As the guide says, Mumakills eyes are vulnerable. From what I saw, not one of the Rohirrim were able to get a clean shot and Theoden had faulty battle planning there -- charging them. Eomer could've easily got an eye shot, even further away from the distance he already layed the throw at, hitting the rider. Aswell as Legolas, definitely would've got the shot (spear or arrow).
What does elephants shaking their heads around have to do with what was in LotR? Rhino hide is thicker and stronger than Elephant hide. This is fact, in 300, the Rhino got one shotted.
I didn't say 6-to-1 was the deciding factor for overall dominance. You aswell as I know that no Spartan is going to be fighting 30 Uruk Hai's at once. As I stated before, Spartans seldom fight individually and when they broke the phalanx themselves, they still beat hordes of the persians head on. Infact, pushing them back. There were a handful of scenes in 300, where theey were in open-field battle. I can recall one where Astenos and Stelios were stomping, Leonidas on a kill streak and pushing them off the cliff, that wave of barbarians and the rhino and lastly, from what I can remember, the magicians and their magic throwing bombs at 300 -- No phalanx.
Watch the clip after they defeated the Immortals where it sidetracks to the open battlefield as I've posted in the 6th pic above. Surely, if Elves and a handful of Rohan men can equal or overwhelm oncoming Orcs, what on god's green earth do you think Elite Greeks are going to do? Plus the Persians had Barbarians and other well equipped fighters that came after the best o the best were beaten, Immortals.
Well, to make things clear, I am not on Easterlings side here. We're talking about spartans vs other creatures. First, they made the elephant slip down. "They are clumsy beasts.. blah blah" They can't do that in open fields. Second. Eomer did not take a whole olephant down by spear. He took down one of the men (Or orcish looking thing) on it. The elephant collided with other, and they were both down. Next, Eowyn. Maybe you didn't notice, it had about hundred arrows stuck in its legs as well. Also, she was a part of Rohirrim, the horse gave her far better mobility than a foot soldier. As far as I know, spartans don't have that luxury. That rhino was tiny compared to oliphant. Even leonidas can't one shot oliphants. Not from long distance like that rhino. Also, unlike rhinos, elephants have a tendancy to shake their heads around. (Not kidding, it's a fact. You may have heard people calling someone "dashed like a rhino". ) So it's much more important to be close to it's vital spots. Idk if spartans could pull of monkey jumping like legolas did..
Also, even if we assume a basic uruk army of 10k, 6 is to one is not going to help. It'd be about 30 to one. lastly, I don't see how spartans are "taking advantage" of head on battle?
It was already stated that several Mumakills had been hamstrung. So the amount of spears already exiting within it's hide is moot. How do you explain the damage of a slash of swords against hundreds of spears? If you think the Spartans are just going to stand there whilst the Mumakill charge them with tusks, or charge the Mumakill head on like Theoden, then you're being deliberately unreasonable.
There is no way they will do any of the latter. As the guide says, Mumakills eyes are vulnerable. From what I saw, not one of the Rohirrim were able to get a clean shot and Theoden had faulty battle planning there -- charging them. Eomer could've easily got an eye shot, even further away from the distance he already layed the throw at, hitting the rider. Aswell as Legolas, definitely would've got the shot (spear or arrow).
What does elephants shaking their heads around have to do with what was in LotR? Rhino hide is thicker and stronger than Elephant hide. This is fact, in 300, the Rhino got one shotted.
I didn't say 6-to-1 was the deciding factor for overall dominance. As I stated before, Spartans seldom fight individually and when they broke the phalanx themselves, they still beat hordes of the persians head on. Infact, pushing them back.
Watch the clip after they defeated the Immortals where it sidetracks to the open battlefield as I've posted in the 6th pic above. Surely, if Elves and a handful of Rohan men can equal or overwhelm oncoming Orcs, what on god's green earth do you think Elite Greeks are going to do? Plus the Persians had Barbarians and other well equipped fighters that came after the best o the best were beaten, Immortals.
I'm saying that they can resist large amount of arrows/spears before going down. Just slashing at an elephants legs doesn't make it go down. Well, what are spartans going to do if the mumakils charge at them anyway? As I said, rhino charges straight on ahead. It's quite easy to read it's trajectory. Elephants don't do so. (There is a reason while elephants were major part of many armies, while rhinos were kept away) You can hit a charging rhino much easier than a charging elephant. (I'm talking about vital spots, not random hits. As well, rhino's skin is hard to pierce, Agreed. But elephants vital spots are much deeper compared to a rhino's. It's possible to one-shot a rhino. Not an elephant.) They beat the elephants by making them fall down from the mountain there. You can see that in the pic you uploaded itself. That is not possible when the battle is on open fields.
Well, I didn't get your reference. Where were the uruks beaten down? If you're saying about the helm's deep one, Orcs are supposed to very weak against horse troops. Not a problem here. Specially in daylight. The main reason the "elite greeks" did so well, was the field advantage. (That doesn't downplay their respectable skills in any manner, but in open field, they would've been slaughtered.
As for theoden's planning, that was the only option he had. They were there to protect the city.
@AncientSuperSaiyan: Top trumps is nonsesne according to wiki they were between 50-100 ft tall. A Phlanax of any kind will be useless if one of the Mumaks charges it the spartans will break formation and die the mumak may trip or fall but it will kill plenty of spartans. And an 100 ft beast covered in spikes and carrying a small fortress on its back will scare the spartans, i dont care how rough there upbringing is no man can stand up to that. And yes on open ground Elephants are very difficult to beat, especially for the spartans, None of the elephants were killed before they fell off the cliff. You have no idea how difficult it is to kill an elephant with spears ive seen men hunt them before on a documentary the poor beast was made into a pincushion by the stinking savages and it held its ground.
The Easterlings lose the original battle but this nonsense about Urukhai again Spartans lol. 1 million Uruks would absolutely slaughter them. The reason the Spartans dominated the Persians is because of the terrain, meaning the Persians couldn't utilize their light cavalry, and their army mainly consisted of light infantry, which against the professional heavy infantry Hoplites was hopeless. And try to remember that those were the 300 very best Spartans, so pretty much the best Greece has ever realistically had to offer. So yes, given the terrain, no one would expect any less than them being able to take out some elephants and rhinos. Everyone is aware of the feats such as taking down a rhino in 300 but don't try to claim anything was skillful there. It was all graphical and purely for entertainment. The Persian actors during those "3-on-1 fights" were pretty much midgets lol, you can even see it in that picture.
Legolas could take on 300 Spartans alone. He is not even of comparison to Spartans. The Elves were a huge factor at Helm's Deep, you are seriously retarded if you underestimate them. Like shit, Fingolfin alone was a match for Morgoth in single combat. Each one of them is superhuman, and each Uruk-Hai is superhuman to a lesser degree. However the keep itself was just as large of a factor. As is stated, it had never been conquered and would take thousands to conquer. It did indeed take thousands of Uruks to conquer, but not even half of the original 10,000, even with the Elves' help. The Rohirrim led by Gandalf cleared them up in the movie, and the entlings in the books.
I would say that the Spartans would be able to deal with an Uruk force of superior number. The Uruks are disorganized and individually less skilled, so the fact that they are stronger and heavier is pretty much null.
@sandw1tch: Is it the movie version of the 300 Spartans? If so, Spartans stomp.
If not, Spartans win 8/10.
Only because you are placing them in a field where their phalanx formation will do little to prevent their flanks from being attacked. Yes, they were the absolute best warriors, when it came to group combat; but separate them in an all out melee and they will have an attrition rate like any other army.
So I did some research on Easterlings. They're supposed to be good fighters, formed the crack core of Sauron's army as heavy infantry. They're equipped with Steel armor and arms. They can beat Elvish armies and make a similar 300-like stand with their backs to the Anduin River while the rest of Sauron's forces fled and dealt disproportionate damage to the Western men.
So how strong are Elves and Men armies of that age? Any good way to guage them from the books?
So I did some research on Easterlings. They're supposed to be good fighters, formed the crack core of Sauron's army as heavy infantry. They're equipped with Steel armor and arms. They can beat Elvish armies and make a similar 300-like stand with their backs to the Anduin River while the rest of Sauron's forces fled and dealt disproportionate damage to the Western men.
So how strong are Elves and Men armies of that age? Any good way to guage them from the books?
In the movies it was said that men were at their weakest.
@sandw1tch: Is it the movie version of the 300 Spartans? If so, Spartans stomp.
If not, Spartans win 8/10.
Only because you are placing them in a field where their phalanx formation will do little to prevent their flanks from being attacked. Yes, they were the absolute best warriors, when it came to group combat; but separate them in an all out melee and they will have an attrition rate like any other army.
I think the Easterlings deserve more credit especially if it is 300 elites. Though that is not specified so we'll assume it's 300 regulars. Even so...
The Spartans were almost equally efficient in large numbers. They were never defeated by a foe of equal or lesser size, only exception being the Sacred Band of Thebes who stomped them twice
@AncientSuperSaiyan: Top trumps is nonsesne according to wiki they were between 50-100 ft tall. A Phlanax of any kind will be useless if one of the Mumaks charges it the spartans will break formation and die the mumak may trip or fall but it will kill plenty of spartans. And an 100 ft beast covered in spikes and carrying a small fortress on its back will scare the spartans, i dont care how rough there upbringing is no man can stand up to that. And yes on open ground Elephants are very difficult to beat, especially for the spartans, None of the elephants were killed before they fell off the cliff. You have no idea how difficult it is to kill an elephant with spears ive seen men hunt them before on a documentary the poor beast was made into a pincushion by the stinking savages and it held its ground.
Man, you're completely out of your natural elements here. They're direct decendants of Heracles. Did you not hear what Leonidas said? "Spartans never surrender, Spartans never retreat". They didn't seem too scared to me when the Hindu War Elephants were charging them on the cliff, who got booked quite quickly. Theoden charges Mumakill, yet he was singing for help at the Helms Deep battle and got mushed pretty quick by the Nazgul. Lets be real here, Leonidas is 100 times the man Theoden is, physically and war-ready. Just look at him. So claiming 300 would be "scared" is an extremely bizarre statement.
None of the elephants were dying before the fell off the clliff? Really? So just tell me, why oh why did they happen to just back off over the cliff? To my knowledge, elephants do not suffer from vertigo and I didn't see any quasi-magical force pushing over these giant mammals. Maybe they just decided that it'll be safer to go back on themselves or to the side, instead of charging infront right?
We're not talking about what you saw on National Geographic. We're talking about what happens in fictional warfare and I'm standing by what I said and that is Spartans do the same to Mumakill as they did in 300. There is nothing suggesting that they can't, they weren't even in Phalanx formation for like 80% of the movie. I saw elephants go down in 300 (if the cliffs weren't there, I guess they would've layed on the ground anyway lmao) and thats that.
The Easterlings lose the original battle but this nonsense about Urukhai again Spartans lol. 1 million Uruks would absolutely slaughter them. The reason the Spartans dominated the Persians is because of the terrain, meaning the Persians couldn't utilize their light cavalry, and their army mainly consisted of light infantry, which against the professional heavy infantry Hoplites was hopeless. And try to remember that those were the 300 very best Spartans, so pretty much the best Greece has ever realistically had to offer. So yes, given the terrain, no one would expect any less than them being able to take out some elephants and rhinos. Everyone is aware of the feats such as taking down a rhino in 300 but don't try to claim anything was skillful there. It was all graphical and purely for entertainment. The Persian actors during those "3-on-1 fights" were pretty much midgets lol, you can even see it in that picture.
Legolas could take on 300 Spartans alone. He is not even of comparison to Spartans. The Elves were a huge factor at Helm's Deep, you are seriously retarded if you underestimate them. Like shit, Fingolfin alone was a match for Morgoth in single combat. Each one of them is superhuman, and each Uruk-Hai is superhuman to a lesser degree. However the keep itself was just as large of a factor. As is stated, it had never been conquered and would take thousands to conquer. It did indeed take thousands of Uruks to conquer, but not even half of the original 10,000, even with the Elves' help. The Rohirrim led by Gandalf cleared them up in the movie, and the entlings in the books.
I would say that the Spartans would be able to deal with an Uruk force of superior number. The Uruks are disorganized and individually less skilled, so the fact that they are stronger and heavier is pretty much null.
No it wasn't the very best of the best, it was 300 of Sparta's very best all with new born sons.
What the fck do you mean 300 feats weren't skillful and were just for entertainment? So what were Legolas' feats for then Mcfly? If it's not one, it's the other with you. Lol honestly, I suppose Aragorn has shown more impressive feats such as killing a giant wolf as a teenager, stomping an 8ft Immortal warmachine and fighting your way through to manhood or death as the only alternative? As they said in LotR, the line of men is weak. King Aragorn was nearly stomped by Lurtz and Leonidas' lieutenant killed atleast 3-4 more people before being overwhelmed with a spear, Boromir was on his knees after one arrow . There is noway Legolas could take on the entire 300. I'll take some of whatever you're smoking. For him to even stand a chance at harming anyone, it would have to be from a far out distance, where his arrow skills are unrivaled. But on an open field sword-dance, he is finished. He would be Dyplon'd at an incredibly fast rate. Astenos and Stelios alone would tag him.
Here are all of Legolas feats throughout all 3 movies:
1. Shot multiple Uruk Hai's accuratey whilst sliding down a staircase
2. Took down 1 Mumakill by himself after a brief tussle
3. Shot goblins from far out distances accurately in the Mines of Moria.
Here are 300 feats:
1. 300 Spartan blitz thousands and thousands and thousands of Persians (Could 300 elves plus 300 men even take on 10,000 Uruk Hais?)
2. Astenos takes down a giant charging Rhino without moving position
3. Leonidas kills giant Wolf as a teen
4. Leonidas kills giant Immortal rapist serial killer
5. 300 blitz Immortals
6. 300 take down numerous war oliphants without moving formation
7. 300 Spartans Phalanx cannot be smashed by the thousands
Much better feats than the entire LoTR series. Dude, If it wasn't for the Dead Men of Dunharrow, everybody would be goners. Including Legolas.
No they were not midgets, why are you making stuff up? it's how Snyder wanted to direct the scenes, like Xerses being 7-8ft tall next to Leonidas. These were all symbolic statements. The Uruk Hai are NOT superhuman. They're de-modified Elves and to a lesser extent, men. Basically gruning mongrels and abortions with a bad attitude. If that was the case, then Aragorn should have been stomped by Lurtz since he was the elite Uruk Hai, or for plot effectivness, taken more damagae than that. Uruk's were getting killed like flies at Helms Deep, superhumans huh?
This is how Uruk's will come at 300, just as they did at Helms Deep.
And here....
Stop taking excerpts from the original story and pertaining it to the movie. At Helms Deep, it looked pretty even to me btween Elves + Men vs Uruk Hais. Spartans > Elves > Average Men.
@AncientSuperSaiyan: Top trumps is nonsesne according to wiki they were between 50-100 ft tall. A Phlanax of any kind will be useless if one of the Mumaks charges it the spartans will break formation and die the mumak may trip or fall but it will kill plenty of spartans. And an 100 ft beast covered in spikes and carrying a small fortress on its back will scare the spartans, i dont care how rough there upbringing is no man can stand up to that. And yes on open ground Elephants are very difficult to beat, especially for the spartans, None of the elephants were killed before they fell off the cliff. You have no idea how difficult it is to kill an elephant with spears ive seen men hunt them before on a documentary the poor beast was made into a pincushion by the stinking savages and it held its ground.
Man, you're completely out of your natural elements here. They're direct decendants of Heracles. Did you not hear what Leonidas said? "Spartans never surrender, Spartans never retreat". They didn't seem too scared to me when the Hindu War Elephants were charging them on the cliff, who got booked quite quickly. Theoden charges Mumakill, yet he was singing for help at the Helms Deep battle and got mushed pretty quick by the Nazgul. Lets be real here, Leonidas is 100 times the man Theoden is, physically and war-ready. Just look at him. So claiming 300 would be "scared" is an extremely bizarre statement.
None of the elephants were dying before the fell off the clliff? Really? So just tell me, why oh why did they happen to just back off over the cliff? To my knowledge, elephants do not suffer from vertigo and I didn't see any quasi-magical force pushing over these giant mammals. Maybe they just decided that it'll be safer to go back on themselves or to the side, instead of charging infront right?
We're not talking about what you saw on National Geographic. We're talking about what happens in fictional warfare and I'm standing by what I said and that is Spartans do the same to Mumakill as they did in 300. There is nothing suggesting that they can't, they weren't even in Phalanx formation for like 80% of the movie. I saw elephants go down in 300 (if the cliffs weren't there, I guess they would've layed on the ground anyway lmao) and thats that.
You aren't noticing the difference in Grounds. An elephant on a mountain is at serious disadvantage. or as you said "completely out of their natural element". If it was flat surface, spartans would have been crushed to an ugly mess.
I really don't care who is more man than whom in your opinion anyway. So lets leave it at that. If you hear properly, it says "They're clumsy beasts. And the piled persian dead are slippery." You can also see that the elephant was pretty much fine, and the spear seemingly had no effect on him. Watch again. Foot soldiers like spartans do nothing but getting crushed in front of an elephant on flat terrain. The elephant didn't have any space to charge there anyway. If xerxes had even a little talent in strategy, he'd have known it's practically a waste to bring elephants on mountains. The most painful part in any moving medieval army was the transport of elephants and canons over mountains.
And on the sideline, how is an elephant supposed to be Hindu? Pretty knowledgeable aren't you? :o
Orcs were able to overpower Isildurs personal guard during the battle of Gladden Fields and they were probably better armed and genetically superior then the 300's.
I am taking these numbers/ quotes from fan sites because I am unable to source the fight in the book, but Isidurs had 200 knights/soilders and less then 20 Archers. While the Orc army was 10x their strength. "The Orcs closed in on all the sides, flinging themselves on the Dúnedain with reckless ferocity. Some of the greater Orcs leaped two at a time, and with their weight dead or alive bore down a Dúnadan, so that other strong claws could drag him out and slay him. The Orcs might have paid five to one in this exchange but for them it was too cheap."
So if 2000 Orcs were able to defeat Isidurs force, then 1,000,000 Uruk Hai would stomp the 300 Spartans.
I been doing a bit of reading on the Easterlings, they seemed to fight from "great wagons and chariots' , other Easterlings also fought with axes and had great beads (think vikings).... but we really know next to nothing about them.
I also believe they did not ride Mumakil, that was either the Haradrim/ Southrons.
Orcs were able to overpower Isildurs personal guard during the battle of Gladden Fields and they were probably better armed and genetically superior then the 300's.
I am taking these numbers/ quotes from fan sites because I am unable to source the fight in the book, but Isidurs had 200 knights/soilders and less then 20 Archers. While the Orc army was 10x their strength. "The Orcs closed in on all the sides, flinging themselves on the Dúnedain with reckless ferocity. Some of the greater Orcs leaped two at a time, and with their weight dead or alive bore down a Dúnadan, so that other strong claws could drag him out and slay him. The Orcs might have paid five to one in this exchange but for them it was too cheap."
So if 2000 Orcs were able to defeat Isidurs force, then 1,000,000 Uruk Hai would stomp the 300 Spartans.
Can you please read your entire post again, just read it again please. But I wanted to highlight the most troubling thing out of all of it. What don't you get about the Spartans and that they're near invincible?, You know their Phalanx is impenetrable don't you? It has tanked thousands of Persian force at once with not an inch in budging, they're breeds above a Dunedain in this tale.
Isidurs small battalion of guards are children next to Spartans. They're regular soldiers, the same ones that were being picked off in the castles at Pelennor Fields. The Immortals are also much much tougher than your average Orc or Uruk Hai, it's not noted how many Immortals were killed, but since Xerses sent his best of the best and still lost, I'll take it as they killed thousands of them too.
Nobody is stomping 300 with a coridoor behind them, absolutely nobody. It's just fairytales now. As I asked you before, could 300 Men and 300 Elves take on even 10,000 Uruk Hai? They seemed to be losing at Helms Deep.
Actually answer these 2 questions, it's not a trick question btw (lol):
1) Can 300 stomp 10,000 Uruk Hai's?
2) If yes, then can they stomp another 10,000 Uruk Hai x 99 in waves? If no, then why?
@AncientSuperSaiyan: you sure One Million Uru's can't beat 300 Spartans?
remember even though they were kicking ass they still got periods of rest and even than had help from the greeks and did lose some soldiers.
If we're measuring it up to the battle of Helms Deep and the battles in 300. Yes, 300 Spartans can beat 1,000,000 Uruk Hai. In 300, they were fighting for atleast a few days which was depicted during Immortals fight, I can atest to atleast 2 nights passing in the movie. When Zeus struck the ships at sea, it was well after sundown. Technically they didn't fight, but that is what kicked off the "fight", and thats not including the days travelled to the Hot Gates -- It was also sundown when they arrived at the village full of dead bodies. The Immortals fightIt was the only battle, they counted some losses "We lose few".
In LoTR Two Towers, Aragorn said that the Uruk Hai would reach Helms Deep by sundown. Saurumans Army arrived at night, well after sundown. Gandalf arrived by sunset, so that was a few hours fight.
The 300 were fighting for a few days. After the Persian messenger was maimed during sunrise, the fight with the Immortals took place at night. They were fighting thousands of waves before that. I think 300 conditioning is far superior to worry about anything. The Arcadians on their side would just be overkill.
The Easterlings lose the original battle but this nonsense about Urukhai again Spartans lol. 1 million Uruks would absolutely slaughter them. The reason the Spartans dominated the Persians is because of the terrain, meaning the Persians couldn't utilize their light cavalry, and their army mainly consisted of light infantry, which against the professional heavy infantry Hoplites was hopeless. And try to remember that those were the 300 very best Spartans, so pretty much the best Greece has ever realistically had to offer. So yes, given the terrain, no one would expect any less than them being able to take out some elephants and rhinos. Everyone is aware of the feats such as taking down a rhino in 300 but don't try to claim anything was skillful there. It was all graphical and purely for entertainment. The Persian actors during those "3-on-1 fights" were pretty much midgets lol, you can even see it in that picture.
Legolas could take on 300 Spartans alone. He is not even of comparison to Spartans. The Elves were a huge factor at Helm's Deep, you are seriously retarded if you underestimate them. Like shit, Fingolfin alone was a match for Morgoth in single combat. Each one of them is superhuman, and each Uruk-Hai is superhuman to a lesser degree. However the keep itself was just as large of a factor. As is stated, it had never been conquered and would take thousands to conquer. It did indeed take thousands of Uruks to conquer, but not even half of the original 10,000, even with the Elves' help. The Rohirrim led by Gandalf cleared them up in the movie, and the entlings in the books.
I would say that the Spartans would be able to deal with an Uruk force of superior number. The Uruks are disorganized and individually less skilled, so the fact that they are stronger and heavier is pretty much null.
No it wasn't the very best of the best, it was 300 of Sparta's very best all with new born sons.
What the fck do you mean 300 feats weren't skillful and were just for entertainment? So what were Legolas' feats for then Mcfly? If it's not one, it's the other with you. Lol honestly, I suppose Aragorn has shown more impressive feats such as killing a giant wolf as a teenager, stomping an 8ft Immortal warmachine and fighting your way through to manhood or death as the only alternative? As they said in LotR, the line of men is weak. King Aragorn was nearly stomped by Lurtz and Leonidas' lieutenant killed atleast 3-4 more people before being overwhelmed with a spear, Boromir was on his knees after one arrow . There is noway Legolas could take on the entire 300. I'll take some of whatever you're smoking. For him to even stand a chance at harming anyone, it would have to be from a far out distance, where his arrow skills are unrivaled. But on an open field sword-dance, he is finished. He would be Dyplon'd at an incredibly fast rate. Astenos and Stelios alone would tag him.
Here are all of Legolas feats throughout all 3 movies:
1. Shot multiple Uruk Hai's accuratey whilst sliding down a staircase
2. Took down 1 Mumakill by himself after a brief tussle
3. Shot goblins from far out distances accurately in the Mines of Moria.
Here are 300 feats:
1. 300 Spartan blitz thousands and thousands and thousands of Persians (Could 300 elves plus 300 men even take on 10,000 Uruk Hais?)
2. Astenos takes down a giant charging Rhino without moving position
3. Leonidas kills giant Wolf as a teen
4. Leonidas kills giant Immortal rapist serial killer
5. 300 blitz Immortals
6. 300 take down numerous war oliphants without moving formation
7. 300 Spartans Phalanx cannot be smashed by the thousands
Much better feats than the entire LoTR series. Dude, If it wasn't for the Dead Men of Dunharrow, everybody would be goners. Including Legolas.
No they were not midgets, why are you making stuff up? it's how Snyder wanted to direct the scenes, like Xerses being 7-8ft tall next to Leonidas. These were all symbolic statements. The Uruk Hai are NOT superhuman. They're de-modified Elves and to a lesser extent, men. Basically gruning mongrels and abortions with a bad attitude. If that was the case, then Aragorn should have been stomped by Lurtz since he was the elite Uruk Hai, or for plot effectivness, taken more damagae than that. Uruk's were getting killed like flies at Helms Deep, superhumans huh?
This is how Uruk's will come at 300, just as they did at Helms Deep.
And here....
Stop taking excerpts from the original story and pertaining it to the movie. At Helms Deep, it looked pretty even to me btween Elves + Men vs Uruk Hais. Spartans > Elves > Average Men.
It would be extremely strange to be one of the most experienced soldiers in the Spartan military and not have a son. You can be certain that few "sonless' elites were omitted from the party, and if they were, the ones who replaced them surely did not have too huge of a skill gap.
You need to educate yourself on both Spartans, Thermopylae and Arda lore before debating against any of them... the Persians were using primarily light, untrained infantry against professional heavy infantry. They were unable to break the Spartan phalanx primarily because of the terrain, but also because the majority of the Persian military was not able to participate in the battle. That's why it was completely over when they were outflanked. And just so you know the real heroes and masterminds of Thermopylae was not Leonidas and the Spartans it was Themistocles and the Athenian navy who protected the strait of water leading to the flank behind the Spartans and came up with the whole plan. In the actual battle of Thermopylae there were thousands of Greeks all of different states fighting the Persians at the Hot Gates. And the Spartans are also not as invulnerable as you think they are- the Sacred Band of Thebes more than once proved to be their superior in battle. So no, they didn't hold the phalanx purely because they are uber Supermen.
Now then. You are horribly downplaying Legolas' feats. The goblin he hit in Moria was at least twice as far as Xerxes was from Leonidas, but the main thing is that Legolas hit it square in the center of the forehead, whereas Leonidas missed his point barely. The method Legolas took in taking down a Mumakil - which, by the way, is much larger than an elephant from Earth, and had an army on its back - is far superior to throwing a single spear at a charging rhinoceros from a distance and killing it. Anyone who can throw a spear proficiently could accomplish that. Legolas could accomplish that with ease with his bow and arrow, whereas Astelos could certainly not take on a Mumakil himself. Likewise, Leonidas lured the wolf into a narrow crevice in order to gain an advantage. That is just a human outsmarting an animal. Legolas could snap its neck with his barehands. Do you have any idea the kind of things he deals with, being the prince of Mirkwood? How about taking down Wargs? Do you think a wolf is more dangerous than a Warg?
Leonidas against the "serial rapist killer" was pretty similar to Aragorn vs. Lurtz. It just showed him prevailing against a more powerful opponent because of skill. Again, Legolas would have stomped. Because he's an elf. What else needs to be said? Leonidas killed a rather big, animalistic human who had noticeable superhuman strength and pain tolerance; much like Lurtz. Legolas solo'd a cave troll and a mumakil. THERE IS NO CONTEST
How am I making stuff up? I'm not making anything up, you are. The Persians are visibly all smaller than the Spartan actors for a purpose as you said; it is all cinematic, not realistic. And what you described there are goblins. Goblins - larger breeds sometimes being referred to as orcs in English versions - were mutilated Elves that first appeared under the service of Morgoth in the First Age. Uruk-hai are a cross breed between goblins and men, retaining their superior stats but allowing them to travel under the sun with little to no difficulty and also better focusing the traditional Orcish fervor. The first batch of Uruk-hai, containing Lurtz, was especially proficient, but the race grew collectively, slightly weaker under intensive inbreeding in Isengard.
Spartans>Elves? Again, read a book. Spartans were great and all, but Elves are superior in every way and most importantly immortal. There's absolutely no contest whatsoever. For clarification, Morgoth is basically Satan. He originally was a God who helped create the universe, and Fingolfin was just a regular albeit extremely skilled Elf who held his own against him in combat. That is just the main point I'm highlighting for you because you don't seem to understand that Elves are, simply, superior. Legolas' dad was probably even kickin' it back then. That's thousands and thousands of years ago, which is the age of most Elves. Thousands and thousands of years of experience on the back of every Elf. Spartans could train all their lives and would still be shit compared to an Elf, despite being top of humanity. Fingolfin was a Noldor whereas Legolas is kind of a descendant of a Sindar, so he would be inherently slightly less superhuman, but irrefutably superhuman nonetheless.
And also worthy of note is that most Men in Middle Earth are superior to real life humans. Aragorn, for instance, lived to be hundreds of years old. Boromir was NOT down after one arrow, he took one, then two, and kept killing Uruks. He took all the Uruks out, then a third arrow brought him to his knees. The captain of the Spartans in contrast only had to fight for a few seconds with a spear through his gut, as impressive as it was.
Finally in regards to Legolas soloing the 300. Yes, you're right that if he were caught in melee combat against all of them at once he would probably be taken down. However, he isn't a moron and wouldn't charge 300 Spartans himself. He would merely have to retreat from their advances while picking them off one by one. What are they going to do? Run after him while throwing spears? not. going. to. work.
There is so much misinformation and negligence in this one post, that it is stupid of me too even reply. But I will continue to reply and discredit the ill-informed for the sake of verity.
I don't need to educate myself or re-read the original historicic battle between Persians and Greeks at Thermopylae, because thats exactly what it is, an actual historic event. If you want me to say that 300 Spartans, with 700 Thespians and 400 Thebans would get stomped by JRR Tolkiens Orcs with a force of 1,000,000? - Definitely. However, there are obviously some big misconcepts and misunderstandings being booked here, so what I'll do is provide the differences and similarities between a film adaption and history. Now then, both the movie adaption 300, and graphic novel were loosely based off of historic events. Together, none of them are historically accurate, and neither is Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings series in correlation to JRR Tolkiens book campaigns. The battle being discussed here is based off of adaptions shown in both movies, not accuracies from a book or an historic event. That is what makes good cinematography sometimes, we all have to deal with it *shrug*
Now that is cleared up, lets start nitpicking at the nitty gritty shall we? And I think a good place to start is with your blonde-haired loverboy, Legolas.
1. Legolas &The Wargs in Two Towers - I'm not downplaying Legolas feats atall. He's my favourite character in the entire LoTR series. Complete monster, but up against an adult Spartan depicted in Dan Snyder's 300, his fancy skills and fireworks are no match for the terror-some Greek helmets, iron shields and sandal-having greek specimens which can warp incoming opponents at superhuman force and speed.
About this scene, with the Wargs. Well, um, I should say you need to educate yourself on JRR Tolkiens original version of the events, but even if I wanted to, I can't. Wanna know why? Because this NEVER happend.
The only battle with Wargs was (FOTR p.389-390) at the foot of Caradhras. There was never a scene of Legolas picking off Wargs written in the original text. If I remember correctly, Legolas shot and killed the rider, not the Warg which was when the Rohirrim were charging oncoming Warg and Warg Riders on the hill. He then killed 1 ususpecting Warg at close range, saving Gimli. There was another character, of the Rohhirim who shot and killed a Warg at close range, then got killed. I also saw King Theoden killing one pretty easily, who got killed easly at Pelennor Fields. Wargs are not that tough if Theoden can kill one that easily. Also Wargs are decendants of Werewolves, who were the actually more powerful strain of the two.
2. Legolas Kills Cave Troll - Again, this also didn't happen in the original text. Infact, it was just a giant "orc-chief" in the Mines of Moria (FOTR p. 422,425). In the movie adaption, in the Tomb of Balin, befoe the arival of the Orcs, Legolas fires an arrow directly into the shoulder of the Cave Troll. He has shown pin-point perfect accuracy beforehand, why did he not finish or cause considerable damage? I leave that to plot depth, but still, he has shown better feats. If it wasn't for the rest of the Fellowship, he probably would've been smashed or taken alot more diffilculty. His acrobats aren't god-worthy, Stelios has shown considerable super acrobatic feats too.
Stelios
Stelios is well over 15ft in the air here, also dodges the whiplash. While the Cave Troll feat is not impressive, Legolas' acrobats are however something considerable, but apart from his quickness and bow-attacks. He is otherwise a one-trick pony. Legolas has never shown any type of superhuman strength except for durability which were of natural causes, so there is nothing suggesting he could "snap" a Warg's neck in half. Spartans have shown to withstand the force of thousands of "human force" when they're in the Phalanx, it is not an individual force, but an overall strength that consists of the individual, thus why Ephialtes could not be permitted into the army.
3. Lurtz & Aragorn - Another scene in Two Towers which is non-canon. Here, Aragorn only fights off a few remaining Orcs so they don't finish Boromir (TTT p.18). However, I will say that this fight compared to the Immortal Giant in 300 were very similar, no quarter is given and I'm not asking. Although, I believe the Immortal was probably, physically stronger than Lurtz since he kicked Dilios yards way from the battle and is more durable since I haven't seen Lurtz tank a dagger through his eye / head and stlll continue to fight, even though he tanked through his abdomen. Also, talking about strength, the only strength feat I can Aragorn hs is flingng Gimli a few yards away. I have not seen anyhing other tha that where his opponent is flung yards away into the air from the sheer impact of a shield-thrust.
Aragorn was nearly beheaded from a shield much lighter than the Spartan Dyplon. From birth, Spartans are taught to fight or die. They're taken from the bosoms of their mothers and thrown into the wild to fend for themselves, come back a Spartan or a king, or nothing atall. And even then training does not stop, well into the age of mature adult life, they're training intensely everyday. In the form of skill, I'd say Aragorn has it and maybe in experience fighting alone too, since he is nearin 90 years old. But then again, most of the skill attributes went to Stelios and Astenos who would tag Aragorn relentlessly. Could skill trump strength? I don't know, but without taking anything from Leonidas, he was shown stomping alot of Immortals all at once and they were highly-trained, super fast, highly technical ninja-esque combatants. Also, If Aragorn can stop a Cave Troll in it's tracks with a spear, Leonidas definitely can.
Overall though, I think these two are well-matched. But Leonidas has the tactical advantage here with a sword and shield. Astenos and Stelios is a good matchup for Legolas too. Lastly, yes Boromir did infact take two arrows and beat a few more Uruk Hai's. But make no mistake about it, 300 where hurled with hundreds of arrows at once and continued to fight. If I recall the last battle scene, Leonidas had about 5 in him.
4. Spartans vs Elves - From what was depicted of the Elves in the movies, compared to 300. The Spartans are superior, but not in every way. The Elves are more of a graceful enchanted-magical race who do not age or suffer disease, however they're not Immortal from being stomped-the-fuck-out. Apart from being immortal, having supervision and hearing, they don't hold up against Spartans. Yes, you're correct in some form, but overall In battle, these "beautful people" will be ravaged by the more dominant war-mongering specialists, known only as the Spartans. Even the Dwarves are more tougher than these guys and would probably give Spartans a better battle before being stomped.
Haldir Owned.Spartan Captain killing a few more after being Speared
Half of the Lothlórien Elves, if not all of them were beaaten by Uruk Hai at Helms Deep. Thats thousands and thousands of ineffective experience down the drain. What part don't you get that Spartans are bred to be warriors. These blondies, are NOT bred for warfare and warfare only. They're not supeior to Spartans in the form of physical combat and tactical warfare. They didn't make a turning point in any battles depicted in the movies or the orginal text and were on par with men. The Dwarves have better feats than Elves, when the 7 houses, numbering at around 6,000-10,000 un-aided by the Dwarves of the Iron Hills, went up against 15-20,000 Orcs in the War of The Dwarves and Orcs and still won, unattented by alliances of the Free Peoples. What were the major accomplishments of the well-experienced Elves in the War of The Ring apart from making up numbers for Men? If they were remotely superior, Elrond and his company could've taken Mordor by themselves.
The average Elf is 5'5-6ft. Average Spartan was 5'10 and 200lbs. That's the AVERAGE. In regards to the Morgoth statement, Spartans are the creation of the Olympian God, Zeus. Now, Zeus would absolutely stomp Morgoth and is leagues out of this realm stronger. Would Zeus be touched by his own creations? Noway. However, Morgoth, who created the Elves, was struck many times by lesser beings, such as the Elf King Fingolfin among others. He is not even a skyfather. Elves are the weaker race. The LoTR heralds or gods are a weaker race. I'll go as far to say that hell would be raised if the entire Spartan Army went up aagainst 1,000,000 Orcs, a quick stomping. But i'll go further than that and say that they would stomp the entire LoTR verse. Yep, 10,000 Spartans commanding 30,000 Free Greeks would solo LoTR verse.
In overview, LoTR is many times weaker and watered down from 300 anyway, LoTR is on par (feat wise) with The Chronicles of Narnia. The Telmarine Army would give Gondor trouble, and Caspians Army is near enough what was in the Battle of the Five Armies (eagles, dwarves and animals, lol). The 300 is a top tier brutal blood movie.
I'll reply to your whole post when I have time but right now I'll just refer to your last point about Morgoth
Morgoth, like all higher beings such as Gandalf or Sauron, has his power severely limited while in the mortal realm. Morgoth did not create the Elves however he did aid in the creation of the Universe before his corruption. He did create the Goblin race by mutilating the Elf race. He could still warp reality purely by will while in the mortal realm, however at an extremely small, slow scale. These limitations do not erase what was "present" in Morgoth's "brain" per se, however, and merely attests to Fingolfin's individual greatness, the Noldor's superiority, and the Elves' potential. It would be like setting limitations to Zeus' overall power and setting him up against the greatest Spartan warrior in a test based solely on skill.
1. Legolas &The Wargs in Two Towers - his fancy fireworks actually are relevant because he nailed a goblin square in the forehead from... an unthinkable distance. His eyesight is unthinkable. He literally saw across Rohan. He was tireless during his trek with Aragorn and Gimli across the plains of Rohan. He was the only one to react to the Elves of Lothlorien when they snuck up on them. Legolas would pick apart the Spartans like a typical WW2 Russian sniper.
2. Legolas Kills Cave Troll - Stelios was probably the coolest Spartan in the movie, but he didn't dodge the whip there or anything, he just lunged at him.
Clearly not jumping 15 feet in the air, clearly not impressive as Legolas' battle with the cave troll.
3. Lurtz & Aragorn - Uruk Hai will always have superior strength to Men, and Lurtz himself was one of the firstborn so he was especially proficient, and intelligent. If you want feats for Lurtz just look at the feats for any Uruk Hai that smashed around human warriors in the multiple LotR battles, they were clearly physically superior, and Lurtz is no exception.
4. Spartans vs Elves - What we saw of Elves in the movies was primarily Legolas being the hands down absolute best fighter of the Fellowship and the Lothlorien Elves catching the entire Fellowship except for Legolas completely off-guard, point blank, and Elrond having supernatural abilities, etc.. The Elf soldiers weren't exactly a highlight of the film, but the Fellowship was, and the skill distinction between Legolas, Gimli, Aragorn and Boromir - and therefore Elves, Dwarves and Men - is quickly set
To quote Legolas; "You would die before your stroke fell"
@AncientSuperSaiyan: Basically, bro, the place where the 300 spartans fought was of extreme importance. They are not Getting it here. That's the main problem. Not just 300, Any well trained army could hold their own in that passageway against much larger numbers, assuming the opposing team doesn't have a good General. Also, if you reverse the situation, 300 spartans invading against and army of 1k normal soldiers, The normal soldiers could give them nearly as much problems as they gave the army.
Comparing a Spartan who was trained since young age and stomped persians (not to mention the immortals), even after getting speared-the-fuck out, to an elf with thousands of years of experience and got stomped easily isn't a good idea.
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