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#1  Edited By Daddy_Cool_Dude

Edward Cullen was attacked Fantastic 4's HQ, not before Reed trick him onto the inter-dimensional portal that sent Edward to alternative universe where Spartan doesn't wear armor, but instead, a speedo. When Edward fell from the sky, Xerxes took Edward onto his side, and retreat the Persian army in favor of more favorable fighter.

Scenario:

Setting: Thermopylae

Distance: 300 meters from each others

- Edward gets 30 second of preparation times

- Spartan gets 1 minutes of preparation times

- Edward will be the offensive side in the beginning, start by charging

- Spartan got only clues that Edward is "tough" and "granite-like" and "approach with caution"

- Blood lust on

Spartan:

Strategic location: Wherever in the cliff that they have faced the first Persian wave in the movie (and comic)

Equipments:

1. Bronze shield

2. Bronze helmet

3. Spear

4. Spartan sword

5. Bronze plating one some other parts of the body

6. Speedo

Exception: Leonidas and 9 other men are equipped with Adamantium bladed sword and spear (but not applied to shield), Leonidas also got 44 Magnum with 18 spare rounds (after killing Dirty Harry), and he knew how to use it.

Edward Cullen confront with no other equipment, and he can only calls in one arrows storm

Setting: Thermopylae

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#2  Edited By Baberaham_Lincoln

300 spartans curbstomp that GAYVAMPIRE THING!!!! Glowing entity goin down..

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#3  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln: That's nice. Now try setting your obvious bias aside and come back when you have some active brain cells that aren't frothing at the mouth, at the mere mention of Twilight.

I dislike the sparkling simpleton as much as the next guy, but if we're going to have a debate, then we have to set our bias aside. Otherwise there's no point in debating in the first place.

That said, the twinkling twit rips through the Spartans like they weren't even there.

He can move faster than they can see, let alone react. He can read their thoughts, and thus react to their actions before they even actually start making them. The majority of the Spartans are physically incapable of harming him. And every time he throws a punch, a Spartan goes *splat*.

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#4  Edited By Ferro Vida
@SirMethos said:


That said, the twinkling twit rips through the Spartans like they weren't even there.

He can move faster than they can see, let alone react. He can read their thoughts, and thus react to their actions before they even actually start making them. The majority of the Spartans are physically incapable of harming him. And every time he throws a punch, a Spartan goes *splat*.

My thoughts exactly. The Spartans would only have any chance at all if they had weapons that could actually hurt him, which I'm fairly confident they do not. The only strategy they could really adopt would be to hope that as he is speeding around he impales himself on one of their spears, because none of them can hit him.
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#5  Edited By Baberaham_Lincoln

@SirMethos: ....-_-..... seriously. You actually think i was serious???.I do know a thing or two about twilight (unfortunately)... it's a bit obvious that the Vampire wins, since he's a god damn vampire, Spartans clearly have no chance when competing against a being who moves to fast, is to strong, and like you said, reads their thoughts..... i'm just trolling and expressing how gay twilight is... like senor Cheng saying "GAAAYYYYEEEE"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

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#6  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln: I've seen a ton of people, posting pretty much identical posts, and being completely serious about it. With nothing to indicate you are joking, it's kinda hard to tell.

When what I see, is someone acting like an idiot. Then that's how they get treated. People don't like that? then don't act like idiots, it's not that difficult.

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#7  Edited By Baberaham_Lincoln

@SirMethos: For me, once i write with caps lock and use alot of exclamation marks, then it's obvious sarcasm or i'm in a mood to joke around. You "sir", can't determine an individual's thoughts or mindset ( in this context, a comment), from basing it off a stereotypical source. The comment may suggest that the person typing is an "idiot", but you may never know since it's the freaking internet, besides, for all we know, maybe the "commenter" may be a PHD student specialising in Geospatial engineering....

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#8  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln: Never said the person is an idiot, I said "acting" like an idiot. A fine, but distinct difference.

And this "You "sir", can't determine an individual's thoughts or mindset ( in this context, a comment), from basing it off a stereotypical source.", is my point exactly :) You can't expect people to determine your thoughts or mindset, from anything other than what you put in writing. Hence, don't want to be treated like you're an idiot, don't act like one.

I act towards everyone based on the same standards, you can show above average intelligence in all of your posts today, but if you act like an idiot tomorrow, you'll still be treated like one, tomorrow.

In this case, you were acting like an idiot, and I treated you like one.

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#9  Edited By Baberaham_Lincoln

@SirMethos: But what determines an idiotic act exactly??? cause anything written can seem idiotic to ones perspective, but to another a different view. However, that's your standpoint... and who gave you the right to "treat" one like an idiot. "I act towards every based on the same standards..." and since when have "standards" been set, and by whom may i ask?? o.o

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#10  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln: Try looking up "idiocy" in a dictionary, it's really not that difficult a word to understand. As for who gave me the right to treat someone like they were an idiot, hmm... that's a bit of a philosophical question, but I would assume it's the same one that gave you the right to act like one.

As for standards, everyone has their own standards for acceptable behavior, largely based on the society they were raised in, with minor differences due to upbringing, way of thinking, etc. You should try a sociology class, that would explain a lot of these questions you seem to have. Or you could, you know, try actually thinking a little about it first, then who knows, the answers might come to you, since most of them are actually just common sense.

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#11  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

Edward

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@SirMethos: Idiocy is to do with behaviour according to definition while idiotic is to an idea.... behaviour does not determine an idea. You are judging me according to behaviour... why not to the idea?? and i concur to the concept of how standards are set... so i may have a different standard to yours while you have a different standard to another, this just proves my point your standards should not be compared to ones standard of say "idiotic thinking".... and your attitude isn't really helping to this matured argument... "Or you could, you know, try actually thinking a little about it first"... doesn't that sound like an immature tone don't you think???

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#13  Edited By ssejllenrad

Vampire wins. Spite!

But let's get a reality check here. Cullen will scream and squirm at the sight of man meat he'll be facing. He'd faint in arousal and then the Spartans would just kill him with their awesome warcry.

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@ssejllenrad: lol =]

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#15  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln:

"your attitude isn't really helping to this matured argument... "Or you could, you know, try actually thinking a little about it first"... doesn't that sound like an immature tone don't you think???"

Not so much, no. I'm simply asking you to think before you post. Considering the fact that you seem to be contradicting yourself, it seemed necessary.

"Idiocy is to do with behaviour according to definition while idiotic is to an idea.... behaviour does not determine an idea."

Since you don't seem to have a dictionary, or at least haven't looked it up, I'll do it for you.

id·i·ot·ic

adjective

1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an idiot.

2. senselessly foolish or stupid: an idiotic remark.

id·i·o·cy

noun, plural id·i·o·cies.

1. utterly senseless or foolish behavior; a stupid or foolish act, statement, etc.

2. Psychology . (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) the state of being an idiot.

To summarize: Your first post was idiotic, your continuing defense of it is idiocy. There is no 'idea' involved here, simply behavior, and response. Action, and re-action.

"You are judging me according to behaviour... why not to the idea?? and i concur to the concept of how standards are set... so i may have a different standard to yours while you have a different standard to another, this just proves my point your standards should not be compared to ones standard of say "idiotic thinking"...."

Yes, I'm judging(in this case you) based on behavior, I thought I made that pretty clear in my 3rd post. I do this, because your behavior is all I see, it is all I have to judge you on. Just like right now, you are judging me on my behavior.

Don't like the judgment, then act differently. It's really not that difficult.

Finally, a quick quote from yourself: "i'm just trolling". From your second post. If you ask around, you'll find that the general opinion around various forums(an opinion that I generally share), is that trolls are idiots. When you, self-admittedly, act like an idiot, why are you so surprised that you get treated as one?

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@SirMethos: I judge your behaviour because you judged mine first, all i did was comment an "idiocy" fashion and you jumped to attack my behaviour, but not the idea i presented. I am not defending my first post, even I said it was a trolling post... hmmm, and the act of trolling doesn't necessarily mean you're an idiot, that's kind of a naive statement. And you say that it wasn't an idea but rather behaviour... how do you know that is how one behaves??? another naive assumption.... an idea is the concept of an individual's mental impression, meaning, an idea is unique... again you're dictating what an idea is, from your general standpoint.... And is there not an obvious reason to why i'm replying, you've restated it in your post.... =]

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#17  Edited By WARLOCK2792

Edward rips through each and everyone one of them.

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#18  Edited By BarelyAverage

@Baberaham_Lincoln: @SirMethos:

Wow both of you took that way too serious, I'm sure Baberham didn't really think that the Spartans could win and since he was the 1st person to post in response to this battle maybe he felt compelled to joke about it. Joking is allowed on these threads to a degree and there is a difference between joking and trolling. The general consensus on our website is that Edward and the twilight vamps are way overpowered to begin with. They adhere to none of the rules and limitations that most vampires save Dracula usually have to deal with. I have a hard time calling them vampires IMO. Anyways Edward wins this but I do have to think that the Spartans could injure him or take this with more prep time and more adamantium weapons. Spartans are not ordinary men or even ordinary soldiers, they're on a different level as seen on 300. I feel they could have a chance. 300 is a lot.

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#19  Edited By lady_liberty

Edward wins.

We lose.

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#20  Edited By Dark Cloud™

Spartans. Edward sucks. =\

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@BarelyAverage: Yeah, a joke is a joke ayy =D... all jokes aside, yeah Edward wins. Oh and nice analysis and theories... Adamantium shield...hmmmm ^.^

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#22  Edited By Cozy_Da_Djed_Eye

"This is SPARTA!!!" bye bye Edward, lol. Nah I'm playin'. If we go by credentials then Edward takes this but I really (really really) hate to say that.

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#23  Edited By Mattersuit

Win-lose-lose.

Edward wins.

Spartans lose.

We lose.

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#24  Edited By WARLOCK2792

@BarelyAverage said:

@Baberaham_Lincoln: @SirMethos:

Wow both of you took that way too serious, I'm sure Baberham didn't really think that the Spartans could win and since he was the 1st person to post in response to this battle maybe he felt compelled to joke about it. Joking is allowed on these threads to a degree and there is a difference between joking and trolling. The general consensus on our website is that Edward and the twilight vamps are way overpowered to begin with. They adhere to none of the rules and limitations that most vampires save Dracula usually have to deal with. I have a hard time calling them vampires IMO. Anyways Edward wins this but I do have to think that the Spartans could injure him or take this with more prep time and more adamantium weapons. Spartans are not ordinary men or even ordinary soldiers, they're on a different level as seen on 300. I feel they could have a chance. 300 is a lot.

That claim is still ridiculous to me, however, I just sit back and let people talk.

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#25  Edited By Killemall

300 warriors vs a glittering vampire?

Damn!

with prep they call Alucard to beat Edward, without prep Alucard comes unannounced to kill Edward

thinking why i bought alucard, i hate Edward win.

Also:

@Lady_Liberty said:

Edward wins.

We lose.

This, lol

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#26  Edited By Deranged Midget

Sadly, Edward utterly murders the Spartans. They are completely incapable of harming him let alone even seeing him when he starts moving. He's strong enough to completely up-root tree's so he'll little trouble ripping the Spartans apart or smashing their heads through their own shields.

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#27  Edited By kcaz

spartans win by pushing edward over the cliff. they are peak human. they are strong enough to withstand the charge of the persian army,so they just form a blockade to prevent edward from getting pass them. then force him to the edge of the cliff and over it

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#28  Edited By Bo88gdan

@Dark Cloud™ said:

Spartans. Edward sucks. =\
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#29  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln said:

@SirMethos: I judge your behaviour because you judged mine first, all i did was comment an "idiocy" fashion and you jumped to attack my behaviour, but not the idea i presented. I am not defending my first post, even I said it was a trolling post... hmmm, and the act of trolling doesn't necessarily mean you're an idiot, that's kind of a naive statement. And you say that it wasn't an idea but rather behaviour... how do you know that is how one behaves??? another naive assumption.... an idea is the concept of an individual's mental impression, meaning, an idea is unique... again you're dictating what an idea is, from your general standpoint.... And is there not an obvious reason to why i'm replying, you've restated it in your post.... =]

Ugh...

I'll try to explain it in detail: People, myself included, judge others based on what we see/experience. "But you should judge on why they act, instead of how!" well, that would be nice, but since I'm not a mind-reader, I have no way of knowing why people act like they do, the only thing I have, is the impression of how they, and in this case you, act. Thus, the behavior itself is what is judged. Again, there is no 'idea', just behavior and response, action and re-action.

"and the act of trolling doesn't necessarily mean you're an idiot, that's kind of a naive statement." And I've never said that the act of trolling means you're an idiot. What I have said is, that the act of trolling makes you look like an idiot. And that trolls are generally regarded as idiots(go on a random forum, and do nothing but trolling for a week or two, and you'll have every regular member calling you, at least, an idiot). You could be a rocket scientist for all I know(or care), but if you're acting like an idiot, you're still getting treated like one, until you're no longer acting like it. Why? Because as I already said, your behavior is all that people(including myself) have to base their judgment on.

As for how I know how one behaves. it's quite simple, I look on the forum and see what you are doing. Your posts = your behavior on the forum. How you behave in places other than on the forum doesn't matter one way or the other, since your behavior on the forum is all I can see.

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@SirMethos: It's been a nice talk, i gotta get me some sleep, got class tomorrow.

Have a good nite...

EDIT: Oh and back on topic, Edward wins.... (Said it already, but repetition is key to success).

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#31  Edited By wkar

The Vampire

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#32  Edited By Daddy_Cool_Dude

I smelled some argument here, but....

Spartans may have tiny fraction of chance that they can lure Edward down the cliff and into the deep sea.

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#33  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

I smelled some argument here, but....

Spartans may have tiny fraction of chance that they can lure Edward down the cliff and into the deep sea.

How will this help? Didn't all the newborns swim to Forks? They don't need to breath, they only do it to smell things.

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#34  Edited By Strider1992

I really really want to say Spartans but the Edward wins.

FYI he's not a vampire...he lives in the forest......doesn't eat people......he sparkles..........he's obviously a fairy. Look closely all the signs are there.

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#35  Edited By Daddy_Cool_Dude

@LordOfAllHumans: Yeah, you're right. Though I always assume the vampires walk underwater more than actually "swimming."

I might be wrong, but it seems that they're probably too dense to float, if the ocean is deep enough, he's BFRed.

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#36  Edited By SirMethos

@Baberaham_Lincoln: Lol, I already got my sleep, hence the 10 hour delay on responding :P Good night :)

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#37  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@Daddy_Cool_Dude said:

@LordOfAllHumans: Yeah, you're right. Though I always assume the vampires walk underwater more than actually "swimming."

I might be wrong, but it seems that they're probably too dense to float, if the ocean is deep enough, he's BFRed.

When Bella jumped off the cliff, Victoria was swimming at her, she also swam to escape the werewolves and came to the surface of the water before she swam off IIRC. I'm thinking their strength can compensate for being denser,as they can jump pretty high and have superhuman speed.

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#38  Edited By cliffrice

Maybe trying to read 300 minds at once would confuse the vampire. I recall a friend of mine (one of those wonkey twilight nuts) saying that in one of the books it mentions edward gets overwhelmed sometimes because he cant turn off his ability to read minds. But i honestly have never read the books so IDk for sure. Would like to use the reasoning though to Put my vote in for the Spartans.

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#39  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@cliffrice said:

Maybe trying to read 300 minds at once would confuse the vampire. I recall a friend of mine (one of those wonkey twilight nuts) saying that in one of the books it mentions edward gets overwhelmed sometimes because he cant turn off his ability to read minds. But i honestly have never read the books so IDk for sure. Would like to use the reasoning though to Put my vote in for the Spartans.

I've only read the first book, but he seems to do fine in a crowded high school. How much will actually be on their minds anyway? He only reads surface thoughts, worst case he'll hear "CHARGE" echo or "my arm what happened to my arm?", "where's your head?", "we gotta get out of here", or "Maybe Xerses is a god and has called his god friend" 300 times. I say this because somebody like Edward would seem like a god or at least a demi-god to a bunch of ancient Greeks. He doesn't even really need to use telepathy anyway.

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#40  Edited By Picard

@kcaz said:

spartans win by pushing edward over the cliff. they are peak human. they are strong enough to withstand the charge of the persian army,so they just form a blockade to prevent edward from getting pass them. then force him to the edge of the cliff and over it

I agree. People in this thread don't pay attention to very important details: strength in numbers, tactics, terrain, Spartans stats. In fight vampire vs. peak human, I will always put my money on vampire - even if Edward is not reall vamp - vamps are to strong, fast and tough, but in this case... we are not dealing with one on one match. 1) Edward must deal with not one but 300 peak humans, he must fight at once with 300 warriors, with strengh and stamina comparable to Batman, Cap America etc. Edward don't have strength advantage. Spartans have it. As one team they have huge strength advantage over Eddy. 2) Thermopylae pass is verry narrow and Spartans are fighting in tightly packed phalanx-type formations. In tight space Edward can't use his superspeed, and he must deal with wall of shields and spears. Most of those spears are harmless since they can't pierce his skin but they work great as distraction, while some of those spears are made of adamantium and can harm him. I doubt that in tight space he can dodge all spears attacking him simultaneously... 3) Telepathy... I doubt that in the midst of the battle he can clearly read minds of 300 guys at once. And even if... all Spartans have to do is not to think about that some of them have adamantium spears. Thats why I vote for Spartans.

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#41  Edited By SirMethos

Finally! Someone that could actually make a logical argument for the Spartans :D

@Picard: You seem to have either not read the OP, or forgotten one important detail. The twinkling twit can call in an arrow storm. Or as the OP puts it "can only call in one arrow storm."

While the 300 Spartans are sitting(or crouching/standing) with their shields in the air, to protect themselves from the arrows, the sparkling stalker is definitely fast enough to take most, if not all, of them out before the 'storm' ends and they get their shields in position again.

There is also the question of what counts as BFR. If simply pushing the twit into the water is enough, then they do indeed have a chance of winning(though a small one). If there is some time-limit on how long the twit has to come back to the fight, and failing that means losing by BFR, then it would depend on the time available. If the Spartans can only win by killing the moron, then they have no chance of winning, whatsoever.

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#42  Edited By Ancient_0f_Days

Why cant you make it.....300 mainstream vampire Spartans (ones that don't glitter) vs Edward Cullen and call it a match huh....Then:

Edward - Lose

Spartans - STOMP

and we - win

EVERYBODY WINS!!!!! (except fairy boy Cullen)

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#43  Edited By Picard

@SirMethos said:

Finally! Someone that could actually make a logical argument for the Spartans :D

@Picard: You seem to have either not read the OP, or forgotten one important detail. The twinkling twit can call in an arrow storm. Or as the OP puts it "can only call in one arrow storm."

While the 300 Spartans are sitting(or crouching/standing) with their shields in the air, to protect themselves from the arrows, the sparkling stalker is definitely fast enough to take most, if not all, of them out before the 'storm' ends and they get their shields in position again.

There is also the question of what counts as BFR. If simply pushing the twit into the water is enough, then they do indeed have a chance of winning(though a small one). If there is some time-limit on how long the twit has to come back to the fight, and failing that means losing by BFR, then it would depend on the time available. If the Spartans can only win by killing the moron, then they have no chance of winning, whatsoever.

Yes, I readed the OP and it said that Eddy start by charging. Once he is close he can be killed, storm of arrow will not help him then. :) They have no chance of killing him? Some of them have adamantium spears. I think that I made quite reasonable argumants why he can't use superspeed to dodge all spear thrusts... under those conditions Eddy should lose

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The Adamantium spears would hurt him, yes. But they wouldn't kill him.

"it is necessary to rip a vampire's body to pieces before incinerating them into ashes, to prevent them from putting out the fire before it can do serious damage. This is the only known way to kill a vampire."

Basically, fire is the only thing that can actually kill them, and in order to kill them that way, you need to first make sure that they can't put out the fire. The Spartans simply don't have that capability.

So again, it depends on the victory conditions. As I said, if the Spartans need to kill him, then they have no chance of winning.

I admit that I myself know next to nothing about twilight, having never read the books or seen the movies. But I do my research, in this case, I've gotten my information from the twilight wikia, and a girlfriend that was a huge fan of twilight, until they made the movies which made her hate it as much as the rest of us :P

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@Picard said:

@SirMethos said:

Finally! Someone that could actually make a logical argument for the Spartans :D

@Picard: You seem to have either not read the OP, or forgotten one important detail. The twinkling twit can call in an arrow storm. Or as the OP puts it "can only call in one arrow storm."

While the 300 Spartans are sitting(or crouching/standing) with their shields in the air, to protect themselves from the arrows, the sparkling stalker is definitely fast enough to take most, if not all, of them out before the 'storm' ends and they get their shields in position again.

There is also the question of what counts as BFR. If simply pushing the twit into the water is enough, then they do indeed have a chance of winning(though a small one). If there is some time-limit on how long the twit has to come back to the fight, and failing that means losing by BFR, then it would depend on the time available. If the Spartans can only win by killing the moron, then they have no chance of winning, whatsoever.

Yes, I readed the OP and it said that Eddy start by charging. Once he is close he can be killed, storm of arrow will not help him then. :) They have no chance of killing him? Some of them have adamantium spears. I think that I made quite reasonable argumants why he can't use superspeed to dodge all spear thrusts... under those conditions Eddy should lose

There is no proof that adamantium can harm him. And, the kicker is, even if it COULD, they would absolutely never see him coming. Their minds are as readable as their strategy

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#46  Edited By Spartan101

edwards strange none vampire teeth fail to hurt the spartans,diamond fag gets staked.

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@Picard said:

@kcaz said:

spartans win by pushing edward over the cliff. they are peak human. they are strong enough to withstand the charge of the persian army,so they just form a blockade to prevent edward from getting pass them. then force him to the edge of the cliff and over it

I agree. People in this thread don't pay attention to very important details: strength in numbers, tactics, terrain, Spartans stats. In fight vampire vs. peak human, I will always put my money on vampire - even if Edward is not reall vamp - vamps are to strong, fast and tough, but in this case... we are not dealing with one on one match. 1) Edward must deal with not one but 300 peak humans, he must fight at once with 300 warriors, with strengh and stamina comparable to Batman, Cap America etc. Edward don't have strength advantage. Spartans have it. As one team they have huge strength advantage over Eddy. 2) Thermopylae pass is verry narrow and Spartans are fighting in tightly packed phalanx-type formations. In tight space Edward can't use his superspeed, and he must deal with wall of shields and spears. Most of those spears are harmless since they can't pierce his skin but they work great as distraction, while some of those spears are made of adamantium and can harm him. I doubt that in tight space he can dodge all spears attacking him simultaneously... 3) Telepathy... I doubt that in the midst of the battle he can clearly read minds of 300 guys at once. And even if... all Spartans have to do is not to think about that some of them have adamantium spears. Thats why I vote for Spartans.

Humans DO NOT have a chance in hell against Twilight vampires. I don't care how good they are. They were given metal, not fire. And even then, They'd still have to actually see him, and then outmaneuver him. They can't see him. And the comment on "in a tight space Edward can't use his super speed' is wrong, because the twilight vamps are beyond athletic/agile, and ridiculously immune to the laws of physics. And this "All Spartan's have to do is not think about that some of them have adamantium spears" thing is not going to happen. They don't all share the same willpower, and even if they did, there's absolutely nothing from keeping Edward from reading their thoughts.

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@White Mage said:

@Picard said:

@SirMethos said:

Finally! Someone that could actually make a logical argument for the Spartans :D

@Picard: You seem to have either not read the OP, or forgotten one important detail. The twinkling twit can call in an arrow storm. Or as the OP puts it "can only call in one arrow storm."

While the 300 Spartans are sitting(or crouching/standing) with their shields in the air, to protect themselves from the arrows, the sparkling stalker is definitely fast enough to take most, if not all, of them out before the 'storm' ends and they get their shields in position again.

There is also the question of what counts as BFR. If simply pushing the twit into the water is enough, then they do indeed have a chance of winning(though a small one). If there is some time-limit on how long the twit has to come back to the fight, and failing that means losing by BFR, then it would depend on the time available. If the Spartans can only win by killing the moron, then they have no chance of winning, whatsoever.

Yes, I readed the OP and it said that Eddy start by charging. Once he is close he can be killed, storm of arrow will not help him then. :) They have no chance of killing him? Some of them have adamantium spears. I think that I made quite reasonable argumants why he can't use superspeed to dodge all spear thrusts... under those conditions Eddy should lose

There is no proof that adamantium can harm him. And, the kicker is, even if it COULD, they would absolutely never see him coming. Their minds are as readable as their strategy

Adamantium>>>> stone. :) Eddy skin is tough as stone. And they are ready for him - read OP. Also read what I already said: telepathy is useless in this case since all Spartans have to do is not to think about adamantium weapons, they can't give Cullen any clue that they can hurt him. And I even doubt that he can read minds of 300 guys in midst of the battle. You have any prove that he can? Also Cullen don't know what adamantium is, he don't know that it can hurt him.

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The Adamantium spears would hurt him, yes. But they wouldn't kill him.

"it is necessary to rip a vampire's body to pieces before incinerating them into ashes, to prevent them from putting out the fire before it can do serious damage. This is the only known way to kill a vampire."

Basically, fire is the only thing that can actually kill them, and in order to kill them that way, you need to first make sure that they can't put out the fire. The Spartans simply don't have that capability.

So again, it depends on the victory conditions. As I said, if the Spartans need to kill him, then they have no chance of winning.

I admit that I myself know next to nothing about twilight, having never read the books or seen the movies. But I do my research, in this case, I've gotten my information from the twilight wikia, and a girlfriend that was a huge fan of twilight, until they made the movies which made her hate it as much as the rest of us :P

Decapitation work on Twilight vampires as well, and some of the Spartans have adamantium swords. They can also start a fire. If Cullen feels pain all you have to do is impale him with adamantium spear - if he is in great pain he can't move - and then behead him or/and burn him to death.

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You always have the best arguments Picard :)

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@Picard said:

@White Mage said:

@Picard said:

@SirMethos said:

Finally! Someone that could actually make a logical argument for the Spartans :D

@Picard: You seem to have either not read the OP, or forgotten one important detail. The twinkling twit can call in an arrow storm. Or as the OP puts it "can only call in one arrow storm."

While the 300 Spartans are sitting(or crouching/standing) with their shields in the air, to protect themselves from the arrows, the sparkling stalker is definitely fast enough to take most, if not all, of them out before the 'storm' ends and they get their shields in position again.

There is also the question of what counts as BFR. If simply pushing the twit into the water is enough, then they do indeed have a chance of winning(though a small one). If there is some time-limit on how long the twit has to come back to the fight, and failing that means losing by BFR, then it would depend on the time available. If the Spartans can only win by killing the moron, then they have no chance of winning, whatsoever.

Yes, I readed the OP and it said that Eddy start by charging. Once he is close he can be killed, storm of arrow will not help him then. :) They have no chance of killing him? Some of them have adamantium spears. I think that I made quite reasonable argumants why he can't use superspeed to dodge all spear thrusts... under those conditions Eddy should lose

There is no proof that adamantium can harm him. And, the kicker is, even if it COULD, they would absolutely never see him coming. Their minds are as readable as their strategy

Adamantium>>>> stone. :) Eddy skin is tough as stone. And they are ready for him - read OP. Also read what I already said: telepathy is useless in this case since all Spartans have to do is not to think about adamantium weapons, they can give Cullen any clue that they can hurt him. And I even doubt that he can read minds of 300 guys in midst of the battle. You have any prove that he can? Also Cullen don't know what adamantium is, he don't know that it can hurt him.

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The Adamantium spears would hurt him, yes. But they wouldn't kill him.

"it is necessary to rip a vampire's body to pieces before incinerating them into ashes, to prevent them from putting out the fire before it can do serious damage. This is the only known way to kill a vampire."

Basically, fire is the only thing that can actually kill them, and in order to kill them that way, you need to first make sure that they can't put out the fire. The Spartans simply don't have that capability.

So again, it depends on the victory conditions. As I said, if the Spartans need to kill him, then they have no chance of winning.

I admit that I myself know next to nothing about twilight, having never read the books or seen the movies. But I do my research, in this case, I've gotten my information from the twilight wikia, and a girlfriend that was a huge fan of twilight, until they made the movies which made her hate it as much as the rest of us :P

Decapitation work on Twilight vampires as well, and some of the Spartans have adamantium swords. They can also start a fire. If Cullen feels pain all you have to do is impale him with adamantium spear - if he is in great pain he can't move - and then behead him or/and burn him to death.

1. We never truly saw the upper limits of Vampire strength, because they didn't spend ALL of their time going at it. And, when they did, they did not fight in areas that allowed for them to throw all kinds of sh*t around.

2. Texture/description does not mean that it is equal to stone. Even stone's don't go completely unscathed when a bullet is shot at them. The max that I've heard their skin described at is diamond-level. The rest was texture/feel description

3. And what will make them ALL work in such a flawless manner that they don't give away 1 clue that they have the ability to hurt him? Willpower like that amongst 300 people? I don't see this at all.

4. He's been in highschool for how many decades? Being in battle doesn't matter much, because he was able to perfectly keep tabs on Jacob, even WHILE a giant fight was going on between vamps and werewolves. Supernatural beings going at it at full speed and power..............Humans will not be a problem here

5. Cullen will know what adamantium is after he reads it from the minds of humans that, when compared to him, are simpletons.

6. Decapitation works on those with the strength/skill to best Edward's speed and diamond-strong skin.............I'm doubting that they have that

7. Fire doesn't equal instant death. That's why the cliff is not exactly the SMARTEST place to fight a vampire. "Burn him!" "Water!" = 300 dead Spartans.

8. Victoria didn't stop moving even though she was thrown through a tree, so I doubt that whatever the Spartan's attempt to inflict on Edward will be successful.