#1 Edited by copete (964 posts) - - Show Bio

Each tribe has 1 day to prepare for battle.

It takes place in an open field that none is familiar with.

They both armed with their standard gear.

Klingons led by Worf and elves are led by Legolas.

#2 Posted by dorukesin (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

elves

#3 Edited by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

Elves.

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#7 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by Cjdavis103 (8390 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92:

any feats for the average elf doing that?

and arrow will hurt a Klingon a blaster will disentagrate an elf

and with prep they can put on armor or get some shields

#9 Posted by thanosii (1187 posts) - - Show Bio

Elves stomp

#10 Posted by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this movie Elves? Have you seen the second Hobbit yet? This is a stomp. The Elves far out match Klingons in speed and agility. I doubt any Elves will even get hit with the disrupters.

#11 Posted by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@cjdavis103: The Elves can get armor too, and from what I know disrupters don't do much against metal.

#12 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92:

any feats for the average elf doing that?

and arrow will hurt a Klingon a blaster will disentagrate an elf

and with prep they can put on armor or get some shields

Yeah, any Elven soldier can do that... all of them, in fact.

Elves also have basic super-speed, agility, and reflexes, and will hit Klingons in the eye, killing them.

#13 Posted by copete (964 posts) - - Show Bio

wow i didn't watch the hobbit 2 yet didn't mean to make a stomp fest lol

#14 Edited by comic_book_fan (5192 posts) - - Show Bio

lol Klingons stomp this is silly so many picked elves the klingons are stronger better armor and weapons and more skilled.

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#16 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

Elves imo take this encounter.Unless the EU Klingons are something special ,nothing the movie/TV versions i have seen would make me think they are on a par with the Elves of LOTR.

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#18 Posted by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@copete: Are these kind of Elves are these btw? And is it strictly movie feats or do book feats go as well?

lol Klingons stomp this is silly so many picked elves the klingons are stronger better armor and weapons and more skilled.

IIRC Klingons stab through each others armor, even if the Klingons are stronger, the feats in the show are not that impressive whereas the LOTR movies Legolas was downing Wargs and Orcs at sniper range(Two Towers), ran/climbed up Oliphonts(Return of the King) and then his feats from the Hobbit 2 are even more impressive.

#19 Posted by comic_book_fan (5192 posts) - - Show Bio

@mandoviking: Klingon blades are made out of more advanced metals and they are about twice as strong as the elves then you have Klingon blaster and worlf will use a phazer so better range weapons aswell if this was a forrest I would give the edge to the elves but in an open field I have to give the nod to the Klingons.

#20 Posted by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: You may be right, but I have never seen an Elf miss, I have never seen a phaser or a disruptor used in rapid fire or long range to the extent of the elf bows, I have never seen an Elven blade(which btw are imbued with magic) broken and most Elves have plate armor(again imbued with magic) that will stop a batleth and maybe a disruptor.

Not to mention far better combat speed, coordination and agility.

#21 Posted by SlimJ87D (9262 posts) - - Show Bio

A lot of the elves died during the orc battles if I can remember... None of them were as skilled as legoless.

#22 Posted by Vaeternus (9407 posts) - - Show Bio

Elves

#23 Posted by i_like_swords (12706 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm deeply disappointed that nobody continued the chain of "Elves" quotes that were kicking off at the start of the thread. Sort it out guys.

#24 Edited by Lunacyde (17676 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: none of them were as skilled as Legolas, but they were all very skilled in their own rights. Yes, many elves fell at Helms Deep, but they were ridiculously outnumbered. There were 200 Lorien elves and 300 Soldiers of Rohan (many children or elderly) at Helms deep. There were 10,000 Uruk-Hai. Moreover Uruk Hai are also super humanly strong with superhuman endurance, pain tolerance, and terrible brutality.

#25 Edited by Shawnbaby (10387 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:

@slimj87d: none of them were as skilled as Legolas, but they were all very skilled in their own rights. Yes, many elves fell at Helms Deep, but they were ridiculously outnumbered. There were 200 Lorien elves and 300 Soldiers of Rohan (many children or elderly) at Helms deep. There were 10,000 Uruk-Hai. Moreover Uruk Hai are also super humanly strong with superhuman endurance, pain tolerance, and terrible brutality.

The same can be said for Klingons.

In a completely Open Field the Klingons should win.

http://www.startrek.com/watch_episode/44G1ttb166Cc

Skip to about the 2 minute mark and you can see exactly what a single shot from a Klingon Disruptor can do.

#26 Posted by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@shawnbaby: That blew up because it was a grain silo,you can blow those up with a match. No where else have I seen a Klingon disruptor do that, they just vaporize the body. And the Klingon in that clip stumbled and almost fell at the end of a seven foot at most jump, and again when he gets up to run.

#27 Posted by Lunacyde (17676 posts) - - Show Bio

Elves are just as strong as Klingons and they have shown superior skill, agility, and range. The Klingons only advantage is technology and it's not nearly enough.

#28 Posted by Lunacyde (17676 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan:

Klingon blades are made out of "more advanced materials"? Just because they are from a sci-fi background doesn't make their blades any better. Elven blades are known for their remarkable craftsmanship and possess magical qualities beyond anything the Klingon blades have shown.

Klingons are twice as strong as elves? I would like to see some proof of this.

Better ranged weapons? Hardly, they may have more overall power but elven bows are accurate up to hundreds of yards and capable of piercing creatures more durable than Klingons.

#29 Edited by comic_book_fan (5192 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde:

elves are no stronger than humans and Klingons are twice as strong as humans.

arrows can't do nearly as much damge as a phaser or a blaster and the blaster have just as much range as the arrows and the klingon have better armor than anything that the elves have faced.

#30 Posted by rpottage (839 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:

@comic_book_fan:

Klingon blades are made out of "more advanced materials"? Just because they are from a sci-fi background doesn't make their blades any better. Elven blades are known for their remarkable craftsmanship and possess magical qualities beyond anything the Klingon blades have shown.

Klingons are twice as strong as elves? I would like to see some proof of this.

Better ranged weapons? Hardly, they may have more overall power but elven bows are accurate up to hundreds of yards and capable of piercing creatures more durable than Klingons.

Bat'leths are made out of a composite metal alloy called Baakonite.
Correction; the ancient elven blades were highly crafted with magical qualities. The average elven blade was meh. They were never a match for the craftsmenship of the Dwarves; and there was a time when their weapons were outmatched by standard Orc Steel. Aside from their special named weapons, the average elven weapon didn't posses magical qualities of any greatness.

Their ranged weapons are vastly superior. The standard Klingon Disrupter from Archer's era (which was highly outdated compared to the weapons Worf's era had) blew up a farm silo in a couple of shots.
Also; all star trek energy weapons had a variety of settings. Including wide-beam settings. They were rarely used since that meant focusing the same energy on a larger area (thus you weren't really going to kill or even properly stun on person); however 300 Klingons with wide-beam disrupters would wreck the Elves whose arrows would disintegrate instantly.

#31 Posted by Oy_the_Billy_Bumbler (816 posts) - - Show Bio

This isn't 300 Legolas's running around. This is 300 random elves. The random elves in the movies are pretty much no different then a normal human. Klingons stomp this with ease.

#32 Posted by MandoViking (347 posts) - - Show Bio

This isn't 300 Legolas's running around. This is 300 random elves. The random elves in the movies are pretty much no different then a normal human. Klingons stomp this with ease.

This is not 300 Worfs either, and Legolas is more skilled but not much stronger than most other Elves.

@rpottage said:

@lunacyde said:

@comic_book_fan:

Klingon blades are made out of "more advanced materials"? Just because they are from a sci-fi background doesn't make their blades any better. Elven blades are known for their remarkable craftsmanship and possess magical qualities beyond anything the Klingon blades have shown.

Klingons are twice as strong as elves? I would like to see some proof of this.

Better ranged weapons? Hardly, they may have more overall power but elven bows are accurate up to hundreds of yards and capable of piercing creatures more durable than Klingons.

Bat'leths are made out of a composite metal alloy called Baakonite.

Correction; the ancient elven blades were highly crafted with magical qualities. The average elven blade was meh. They were never a match for the craftsmenship of the Dwarves; and there was a time when their weapons were outmatched by standard Orc Steel. Aside from their special named weapons, the average elven weapon didn't posses magical qualities of any greatness.

Their ranged weapons are vastly superior. The standard Klingon Disrupter from Archer's era (which was highly outdated compared to the weapons Worf's era had) blew up a farm silo in a couple of shots.

Also; all star trek energy weapons had a variety of settings. Including wide-beam settings. They were rarely used since that meant focusing the same energy on a larger area (thus you weren't really going to kill or even properly stun on person); however 300 Klingons with wide-beam disrupters would wreck the Elves whose arrows would disintegrate instantly.

That may be, but I have seen a Bat'leth break, and never an Elven blade.

Maybe not their swords, but all of their bows had magic on them to to stengthen the bows and improve the range.

The bows don't have to be more powerful, just good enough(and they are). Grain powder is HIGHLY Flammable, and can blow up when exposed to a spark.

Okay, I have never seen anything other than Starfleet Phasers do this, thank you for sharing that.

@lunacyde:

elves are no stronger than humans and Klingons are twice as strong as humans.

arrows can't do nearly as much damge as a phaser or a blaster and the blaster have just as much range as the arrows and the klingon have better armor than anything that the elves have faced.

Legolas is stated in the book to have been able to climb up to the top of a tree before the others even noticed, and in the second Hobbit movie he was throwing around an Orc that was at least four inches taller and bigger than himself.

And could you give some references for Klingon armor feats, because I have seen someone stab trough it with ease before.

#33 Edited by RetconCrisis (3315 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Posted by crest (256 posts) - - Show Bio

um isnt standerd gear for 300 klingons a bird of prey....

#35 Edited by Vaeternus (9407 posts) - - Show Bio

@retconcrisis: Damn lol I know right.

For the topic, not sure it's good to assume they're "far beneath" legolas, sure most aren't him lol but who knows some may be as good if not dare I say better up close? I mean clearly he's known as the best or one of the best archers in fiction. But the chick in Hobbit was no slouch and I'm sure there are other Elves who are even better then him in close quarters combat. The Klingons have had trouble vs. humans....

#36 Posted by SlimJ87D (9262 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde said:

@slimj87d: none of them were as skilled as Legolas, but they were all very skilled in their own rights. Yes, many elves fell at Helms Deep, but they were ridiculously outnumbered. There were 200 Lorien elves and 300 Soldiers of Rohan (many children or elderly) at Helms deep. There were 10,000 Uruk-Hai. Moreover Uruk Hai are also super humanly strong with superhuman endurance, pain tolerance, and terrible brutality.

I was talking about in the new hobbit movie. Face to face some of them were killed by Orcs while fairly going head to head meaning it was a point of no surprise. But that is my recollection of it, I only saw the movie once.

#37 Posted by darkseid1006 (2248 posts) - - Show Bio

elves win this

#38 Posted by Freefa11 (2335 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: I don't know that superior strength will mean much in a fight like this. Aside from the "Into Darkness" movie, I don't really recall seeing Klingons wear effective armor, particularly helmets. The elves are good enough to get head shots with almost every arrow, and in the new movie, some of those arrows were passing clean through the heads of the orcs. The Klingon disruptors are more powerful, but we're basically looking at one-hit kills for both sides, except the Klingons have much worse aim than the elves, and elven agility will probably give them some ability to dodge enemy fire.

Even in close quarters, the elves are much, much faster and more agile than klingons, and generally seem to have greater fighting prowess. I'm pretty sure there are a number of instances in both TNG and DS9 where normal humans were able to fight klingons HtH effectively. Also, Legolas seemed to be nearly as strong as the large albino orc, who was pretty damn strong. I don't know exactly if he's supposed to be stronger than most elves, but the klingons might not even has as great a strength advantage as you think. Even if they do though, elven agility means most of a klingons attacks will probably miss anyway.

I just don't really see the klingons being able to take this. I'm sure the elves will take casualties, but I think their accuracy and agility will result in them racking up kills faster than the klingons.

#39 Posted by comic_book_fan (5192 posts) - - Show Bio

@crest: lol we want this to be at least a little fair.

#40 Posted by BigCimmerian (7845 posts) - - Show Bio

@iheartzombies92:

any feats for the average elf doing that?

and arrow will hurt a Klingon a blaster will disentagrate an elf

and with prep they can put on armor or get some shields

Tolkien stated in Hobbit that Elves can hit small birds in the eye in total darkness lol.

#41 Posted by comic_book_fan (5192 posts) - - Show Bio

@freefa11: the disrupters have a wider range of fire and can kill or cripple the elf regardless of armor where ever it hit them arrows may get caught in armor.

the reason why Klingons armor means little in tng is because they are dealing with phazers and other advanced weapons it would hold up fine against elven weapons.

and Starfleet officers are trained to fight Klingons elves aren't

#42 Edited by Lunacyde (17676 posts) - - Show Bio

@freefa11: the disrupters have a wider range of fire and can kill or cripple the elf regardless of armor where ever it hit them arrows may get caught in armor.

the reason why Klingons armor means little in tng is because they are dealing with phazers and other advanced weapons it would hold up fine against elven weapons.

and Starfleet officers are trained to fight Klingons elves aren't

Elves are trained to fight a lot scarier stuff than Klingons. Elves have fallen Balrogs, Fell Beasts, Dragons, and carve up giant spiders, orcs, and goblins like it's their job. If you are trying to tell me that Starfleet Officers are more combat capable than elves then I don't know you may be beyond reason.

#43 Posted by Lunacyde (17676 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde:

elves are no stronger than humans and Klingons are twice as strong as humans.

arrows can't do nearly as much damge as a phaser or a blaster and the blaster have just as much range as the arrows and the klingon have better armor than anything that the elves have faced.

False. Elves are far stronger than average humans. Legolas' bow had a draw weight of 150 lbs, and he drew his bow quickly and adeptly over and over in rapid succession with absolute ease. Furthermore he pulled Aragorn and Gimli (fully laiden with gear) by himself up the side of the deeping wall. That is at the very least 500 lbs of weight to lift. We also see him nearly equal in strength to Bolg, a massive pale orc, and he was strong enough to smash through a support pillar of foot thick wood with Bolg's head.

#44 Posted by Freefa11 (2335 posts) - - Show Bio

@freefa11: the disrupters have a wider range of fire and can kill or cripple the elf regardless of armor where ever it hit them arrows may get caught in armor.

the reason why Klingons armor means little in tng is because they are dealing with phazers and other advanced weapons it would hold up fine against elven weapons.

and Starfleet officers are trained to fight Klingons elves aren't

You're still ignoring elven accuracy. The arrows aren't going into armor; 99% of their shots are going to go right through a klingon's head. I've also never seen klingons ever use disruptors on a wide setting; if it's even possible, it is massively out of character for them to even think of doing it. And do you have an official source? Romulan disruptors I could see with a wide beam setting because they are still beam weapons, but from what I recall, Klingon disruptors fire bolts of energy, not beams. What would the "wide" setting on a Klingon disruptor actually do, fire a giant disc or something?

Based entirely on the shows, I'm not sure those shiny suits Klingons wear is even supposed to be actual armor. It's not just phasers that get through it; it seems to offer little to no protection from ordinary knives or even human punches and kicks. Even if the elves have difficulty making their head shots (which they wouldn't), unless you have a source clearly indicating the effectiveness of Klingon armor against piercing weapons, I don't think it would provide much protection anyway.

What do you mean by "trained to fight klingons?" Riker humiliated a high ranking officer by striking him in the stomach, then the face, then slamming his head into a console. Riker is not superhumanly strong, or tough, nor is he ever portrayed as being a highly skilled warrior. I don't recall any mention of any kind of special training he (or anyone else) undertook to exploit specific Klingon phsiological weaknesses or anything of the like. All indications are he simply hit the Klingon really hard a couple of times. This isn't really an isolated incident either. Average Klingon soldiers rarely demonstrate a significant advantage in combat compared to humans of about the same size.