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#1 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

Location:

  • City, Desert/High Mountains

Rules:

  • No Prep
  • No BFR
  • Morals(Off)/Blooslusted
  • Standard Gear
  • Win by Death/KO

Teams:

  • Wardemon32

-Despero

-Alan Scott(Starheart)

-Static Shock

  • Oceanmaster21

-Beta Ray Bill

-Magneto

-Mr. Sinister

  • AllStarSuperman

-Superman(New 52)

-Blue Beetle

-Hit-Girl

Sorry this guy start complainign about my team is going to win so I made it a 2v1 debate.

Please scroll down and forget everything said because that was from the 3vs. Now it's 2v1 so ignore all of that. Scroll down and you'll see where to start

#2 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: u first start us off u usally are better at starting

#4 Edited by Pokeysteve (8235 posts) - - Show Bio

coughcoughcoughwardemon'steamcoughcough.

Anyone have a lozenge?

#5 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

coughcoughcoughwardemon'steamcoughcough.

Anyone have a lozenge?

its not about whos team would win, you vote on who made the best posts

#6 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

Sorry I'll be making it now and enter it in by tomorrow or something. I had to do some poetry thing.

Edit: And for some reason I can't post any images. It keeps on shows like the broken paper image when I try to upload a scan for some reason. You know how to fix this?

#7 Edited by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

Sorry I'll be making it now and enter it in by tomorrow or something. I had to do some poetry thing.

Edit: And for some reason I can't post any images. It keeps on shows like the broken paper image when I try to upload a scan for some reason. You know how to fix this?

oh that fine, ill be doing my post tommarow as well

#8 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: just try letting ur pc rest for awhile then load it up

#9 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys I'll also be changing the location because it seems to vague if that's OK with you. Since Earth is very big, I want people to be able to imagine where and how this battle is going on

#10 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

So, my teams first objective is to protect Despero since Despero is the strongest telepath in this battle and Static and Alan doesn't want him to be distracted or distubed for the time being while Alan Scott and Static Shock try to get into the middle of the battle by fighting your two teams.

By doing this I will have Despero about 100 Yards away with both Static Shocks and Alan Scott force fields aroudn him. This means despero will have TWO fields around him. The outer layer of Alan Scotts forcefield around him and the second layer of Static Shocks force field. This means that if somehow your team get's through Alan Scotts field you'd still have to get around Static Shocks electric field.

Static's Shield(Images weren't loading properly)

Despero has strong telepathy so he wouldn't be effected by Mr. Sinister. He has already been shown to block MM ability to use telepathy.

Static Shock is also resistant to TP. He is able to block his mind from Miss Martian(Since she was trying to track him). Miss Martian is also a great telepath and she's actually a white martian(the race that rivals green martians). He is also the ONLY person(well the only person I know) that can resist the Anti-Life Equation. The anti-life equation is somethin used to enslave people basically with TP.

Alan Scott is also a powerful telepath. He can posses people such as Dr. Fate and Ms. Martian

This means my team will NOT be affected by Mr. Sinister throughout this whole battle. One of my characters can block him out(Static Shock), while my other two can basically control him).

I'm going to keep my team protected by the shields of Alan, Static, and also Despero being on defense for about half of the battle.

I'll also have defenses around despero including the shields. Alan Scott will set up automated turrets, laser beams, independent soldiers.

So keep in mind to get to Despero you'll need to be able to get through Alan Scotts first barrier, Alan Scotts set up defenses such as soldiers and weaponry, AND static shocks second barrer(the one that is closest to Despero) which has the power to fry someone.

This leaves two men on the field with one man 100 yards away using his TP. Despero has access to everyone's mind while both of your teams have no access(That is until you show feats of them being strong enough to do so). While I'll have Despero casting telepathic illusions during the fight so that I'll have a bit of pressure off of static shock and alan scott. While your teams will be possibly turning against each other. I've already showed scans of Alan Scott being able to do so and here's Despero........

Just in this image we can already see that he has two telepaths(Aquaman and Martian Manhunter) and he also has Batman under his control.

While Despero and Alan Scott is doing their job(Despero using his TP abilities and Alan setting up defenses) I'll have static shocking everyone in sight. Off the top of my head this will

  • Kill Hit-Girl
  • Stun Superman(Which I will adress later)
  • Possibly kill Mr. Sinister
  • Possibly stun or kill magneto

Superman is capable of being hurt a lot by Static's shocks. He was a bit stunned by an electric char(Electric Chairs produce about 2000 volts of electricity). And you can see he was hurt by Oceanmasters electric shock while the JLA was fighting.

Static Shock can generate 20,000 volts(Possibly higher). This shock would be 10x greater than the one that hurt Superman in the electric chair.

Reminder:

  • Despero is using TP
  • Static and Alan Scott is providing defense for Despero
  • Static Shock is shocking everyone he sees on sight

#12 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll start with New 52 Superman.

Take a Omega Beam in his back and survive (5 years ago)

tagging flash (five years ago)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2370076-pinch2.jpg

Going toe to toe with Darkseid. (five years ago)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2371437-superman_vs_darkseid.jpg

Kal can bench presses the weight of the planet for five days and only perspired a single drop of sweat. Note that he had no contact with sunlight during this time so he was running on his own internal reserves of energy. He also flew to the sun.

http://i.imgur.com/GB74w.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zMFeC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ioOHb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yD1kQ.jpg

A speed and processing feat. Kal reads every medical text ever published, and goes through "ten years of medical training in five minutes."

http://i.imgur.com/lRZr4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/THpOB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BoKyo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Der44.jpg

This is probably Kal's best speed feat so far. He flies from Pluto to Earth in the time it took the Red Hood to have a short conversation with Starfire and friends.

http://i.imgur.com/jC4iK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gUPvn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ylmAn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZAA8Y.jpg

resisting mind control

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2505915-action_12_thegroup_007.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2505916-action_12_thegroup_008.jpg

tanking a nuke

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2547877-sm_12_16.jpg

tanking 10 gigawatts of electricity (3ish years ago)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/2701094-actioncomics_14_thegroup_023.jpg

Punches H'el so hard,hard enough to take down mountains,it can be felt at the centre of the earth n all the way in the watchtower, and dr. Veritas states he's exceeding previouly recorded powerlevels....thank god he's hitting He'l and not the earth itself.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913208-superman__17___page_9.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913205-superman__17___page_10.jpg

With a moralless Supermans speed and strength, i see him being a huge problem. i see him beating BRB and Despero. he has resisted TP before. and superman is gonna be speedblitzing left and right

#13 Edited by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32:

i proved statics electricity is nothing compared to other electricity he takes with out harm. And sice the new location superman could just tear the mountain apart from the bottom. and get to despero

#14 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

That scan of him tagging Flash isn't really a serious feat since Flash obviously wasn't actually trying and Flash was in ONE area the whole time(about 2 feet away from Superman).

With a moralless Supermans speed and strength, i see him being a huge problem. i see him beating BRB and Despero. he has resisted TP before. and superman is gonna be speedblitzing left and right

Whose TP was he resisting? This telepath would ahev to be strogner than Martian Manhunter for this to even be valid. And did you read my first post about my teams defenses?

Kal can bench presses the weight of the planet for five days and only perspired a single drop of sweat. Note that he had no contact with sunlight during this time so he was running on his own internal reserves of energy. He also flew to the sun.

Well he may be one of teh strognest ones here but just becuase he may be the strongest doesn't necessarily means he hits the hardest and this all factors into how durable he is.

Force=MassxAcceleration. Superman is MUCH strogner than Wally West but he doesn't hit harder.

tanking 10 gigawatts of electricity

He still has been shown to be hurt by 2,000 volts and electricity by OceanMaster.

And where are you getting these dates from? 3-5 years ago??? Didn't new 52 star about 2 years ago or so, and I could have sworn action comics was like last year.

Edit: You do know about all of the shields they create a big circles right? If he digs under the mountain he's just going to eb right under the shield.... And he has NO feats to say he can't be TPd be Despero. No-where near that level. How much is 10 gigawatts in volts? I've already shown two of the most recent instances of him being hurt by 2,000 watts and ocean masters bolts.

#15 Edited by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

That scan of him tagging Flash isn't really a serious feat since Flash obviously wasn't actually trying and Flash was in ONE area the whole time(about 2 feet away from Superman).

That was 5 years ago. and Superman is much faster now.

With a moralless Supermans speed and strength, i see him being a huge problem. i see him beating BRB and Despero. he has resisted TP before. and superman is gonna be speedblitzing left and right

Whose TP was he resisting? This telepath would ahev to be strogner than Martian Manhunter for this to even be valid. And did you read my first post about my teams defenses?

5 years ago he resisted Captain Comets TP. And 5 years ago Molly connected Superman with everything on earth and he was able to tell the whole world to say there name backwards. Then in Justice League he resisted Grave's ghost things.

Kal can bench presses the weight of the planet for five days and only perspired a single drop of sweat. Note that he had no contact with sunlight during this time so he was running on his own internal reserves of energy. He also flew to the sun.

Well he may be one of teh strognest ones here but just becuase he may be the strongest doesn't necessarily means he hits the hardest and this all factors into how durable he is.

Force=MassxAcceleration. Superman is MUCH strogner than Wally West but he doesn't hit harder.

Yes and No, Superman is the strongest, fastest, smartest one here. He will take out people before they can think. as of now Superman is even faster than Flash in travel speed. and Superman from 3ish years ago survived a punch from mars to earth, under a red sun. then again 5 years ago he fought Xa-du red K woman, Blue K man, K man, some hunter guy, and SUPERDOOM, under a red sun with a kryptonite chain around his neck. so yeah hes pretty durable.

tanking 10 gigawatts of electricity

He still has been shown to be hurt by 2,000 volts and electricity by OceanMaster.

That first 2000volts was 5+ years ago. and Oceanmaster had magic lightning, and it was PIS so Aquaman could prove how special he was.

And where are you getting these dates from? 3-5 years ago??? Didn't new 52 star about 2 years ago or so, and I could have sworn action comics was like last year.

The New 52 timeline:

http://www.comicvine.com/superman/4005-1807/forums/new-52-superman-timeline-722608/

Edit: You do know about all of the shields they create a big circles right? If he digs under the mountain he's just going to eb right under the shield.... And he has NO feats to say he can't be TPd be Despero. No-where near that level. How much is 10 gigawatts in volts? I've already shown two of the most recent instances of him being hurt by 2,000 watts and ocean masters bolts.

#16 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

Yes and No, Superman is the strongest, fastest, smartest one here. He will take out people before they can think. as of now Superman is even faster than Flash in travel speed. and Superman from 3ish years ago survived a punch from mars to earth, under a red sun. then again 5 years ago he fought Xa-du red K woman, Blue K man, K man, some hunter guy, and SUPERDOOM, under a red sun with a kryptonite chain around his neck. so yeah hes pretty durable.

First, scans?

Second, Travel speed is not combat speed.

Third, Alan has some impressive durability feats also.

He just laughs off powergirls punches like it's nothing. Saying Alan Scott loses to Superman which it seems like you are implying is one of the most ridicilous things I've heard yet. Both Despero and Alan Scott has the power to posses Superman.

5 years ago he resisted Captain Comets TP. And 5 years ago Molly connected Superman with everything on earth and he was able to tell the whole world to say there name backwards. Then in Justice League he resisted Grave's ghost things.

What is Captain Comet to Alan or Despero? Nothing.

http://www.comicvine.com/action-comics/4050-42563/ I'm seeing November 1st, 2011 for the first Action Comic

http://www.comicvine.com/justice-league/4050-42488/ The latest here says October 1, 2011

http://www.comicvine.com/the-new-52/4015-56061/

5 years ago is 2008. Then you said plus so that would be 2007. Highly doubt that.

He was electrocuted in issue 2 which was December 1st, 2011. The ones that he showed that were 5+ years ago was the older versions, not new 52.

#17 Posted by dondave (36124 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be good

#18 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone else confused why Hit-Girl is in this fight?

#19 Edited by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: how dont you understand the New 52? the last 28 years of DC Universe wasnt erased. it was squished into 5 years. so that the superheroes would be younger and more relateable. in The DC new 52 Universe. Action Comics 1-12,0, 15-18, and Justice League 1-6 took place 5+ years ago (2005-2006). Justice League 7 and up take place in normal 2011-13. Superman takes place in 2011-13.

Anyone else confused why Hit-Girl is in this fight?

even i am, they said pick a street leveler and then they pick the post powerful street levelers they could.

#20 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't count the past ones as New 52. You just said that when Superman was electrocuted that was 5+ years ago. NO IT WASN'T. That was like a little under 2 years ago.

Let's not get into this whole debate about timelines.

Go on....

#21 Edited by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: Yeah, neither one of the other teams have a street leveler, haha.

#22 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Edited by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: Eh, that's debatable, considering he can move at the speed of lightning. Mr. Sinister is definitely not street level though.

#24 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: i be making my debate in a hour or so my pc being slow

#25 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

You don't count the past ones as New 52. You just said that when Superman was electrocuted that was 5+ years ago. NO IT WASN'T. That was like a little under 2 years ago.

Let's not get into this whole debate about timelines.

Go on....

NO! in the DC NEW 52 UNIVERSE, it was 5 years ago. in REAL WORLD TIME the comic came out under 2 years ago. Since its been 5 years since being hurt by only 2000 volts hes obviously more durable now.

#26 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

Yes, I know that. But you were saying it as if the feat actually happened 5 years ago. I didn't get what you were trying to say because of the context it happened.

And electirc shocks don't work the same way as PHYSICAL damage.`Just because he took a punch that moved him from Mars to Earth does NOT mean he can take 20,000 volts of electricity going through his body. And that's not even shown as Statics maximum output.

And you showing him being electrocuted in 10 gigawatts doesn't have it's TRUE meaning until you somehow convert or compare that to 20,000 volts. Keep in mind this will be a CONSTANT attack as in Static Shock can keep on shocking Superman over and over again.

#27 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32:

Here this will help you I think:

Watts = Volts x Amps

Volts and watts measure different things, so they can't be compared in this way. Volts are units of potential difference while watts are units of power. Potential difference is a way of quantifying the capacity to do electrical work. Watts are the rate at which that work is done.

The rate at which energy is transferred is power. Power is measured in watts and one watt is equivalent to one joule per second. The power dissipated in a piece of wire will be related to the voltage across the ends of the wire and the current flowing through it.

so volts not equal to watts. 10 Gigawatts is power. 20,000 volts is just the potential to do electrical work.

#28 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: wow u both have been puttung up some good feats n scans n sorry for the delay wor was murder im suprised i have enough energy to type u guys.

now i have seen the powers of all of ur chachaters and seeing as how the teams look @allstarsuperman i start with your team yes superman is fast and strong and all that but as wardemon said he got taken out by oceanmaster electricity abilities so imagine what beta ray bill who has the powers of a god is gonna do his lightning is more powerful than oceanmasters n superman cudnt even handle it n the only thing superman has over beta ray bill is speed n thats not a hudge deal beta is just as strong just as durable as superman n seeing as how superman is the strongest on your team beta ray bill will attack him and idk if superman is gonna be able to handle a bunch of lightning god blast

as far as hitgirl mr sinister is gonna take care of her now she may be a great fighter and all but hes gonna use his tp to control her to his advantage whethers its helping his team to victory or having her turn aganist your team her own teammates which makes it easier on my team.

Blue beetle mite have that scarb but if i remember blue beetle has metal on him n magneto will use to to his advantage seeing as how he controls metal controling blue beetle body will be a easy win for him.

@wardemon32: now u said ur team has great defenses which they do n i see your point but while ur team will be focused on superman team beta ray bill is gonna be firing all kinds of godblast down to break threw the denfeses n beta ray bill power n lightning is more poweerful than static shock. but seeing as how my team of chachaters usally operate my team will wait till superman break threw those denfeses then brb gonna fire all kinds of godblast n lightning blast now despero will survive those depending on how powered up brb is but staic is not survivng that kinda blast and magneto will use static shock rider against him seeing is how its metal magneto will have no time taking it n making it hurt static he can even control the iron in his blood so idont see static maing it far in this.

Alan scott is the tough one here i have to think about it . n sorry none of my scans are loading but i be back tommrow n have my scans up but for now bedtime n ur move

#29 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21@allstarsuperman

That's my point, you can't say that he can't be stunned by Statics shocks because he's mroe durable when static electricity doesn't work the same way as a punch or you can't really back up that claim with superman survivng 10 gigawatts which still left him stunned.

superman team beta ray bill is gonna be firing all kinds of godblast down to break threw the denfeses n beta ray bill power n lightning is more poweerful than static shock.

So you are saying Superman and Beta Ray Bill will be trying to get through my defenses together, while they are supposed to be fighting each other? Plus the fact that they would still have others holding them back in this battle?

Please keep in mind that I have soldiers and alll other types of weaponry back Despero up+the shields Despero has+the fact that Alan can simply re-create these soldiers or weaponry no problem? No only way I can see them getting to Despero is if they can kill Alan which neither Superman or Beta Ray Bill have feats for.

And then you also have to include the fact that Despero is already in everyones mind so it's not going to be easy getting through these defenses because that would need some sort of concentration. While Despero is already messing up the ability for them to do so. And then I already have soldiers made by Alan to protect Despero. These soldiers can act independently, shoot blast, wont go down with one punch, and can actually hurt the people on both of your teams.

And for his lightning being more powerful, I do know that is true. But you said he's going to be fighting Superman, while breaking through my defenses, while fighting Static??? I thought we were comparing our street levelers(which mines beat both of yours down).

And I've already stated that Despero is already in the minds of everyone during this fight taking down magneto wouldn't be so easy.

as far as hitgirl mr sinister is gonna take care of her now she may be a great fighter and all but hes gonna use his tp to control her to his advantage whethers its helping his team to victory or having her turn aganist your team her own teammates which makes it easier on my team.

Correction* Despero should have control over her AND Mr. Sinsiter.. And she shouldn't be able to kill Superman or BLue Beetle. She'd basically be shooting bullets for nothing. Despero should EASILY be able to pawn Mr. Sinister and have him take control of.

My street leveler takes out both of your street levelers no problem. Or I can just put Mr. Sinsiter on my team with the help of Alan or Despero and have Mr. Sinster dirupt Superman, Beta Ray Bill, and Magneto. That's basically 3 telepaths on my team(I count alan as one since he can basically posses people) vs your two surviving fighter Beta Ray Bill/Magneto and AllStarSuperman's two fighters, Blue Beetle/Superman New 52 while my three is still standing.

And since your talking about reversing bloodflow I assume you are talking about Earth 616 Magneto? Becuase I think only Earth 616 Magneto has done that.

But, I'll admit Magneto should be able to take out Static, but now let's put him against someone who is on his level. An actual powerhouse. In this battle Magneto wouldn't last very long. Alan Scotts blast should be able to go through any metal that Magneto tries to use. The only reason Magneto survives things like bullets, rockets, etc... is because he can actually stop and control them. Unlike a contruct made by GL such as a bullet or a rocket which he should have no control over.

Magneto isn't durable enough to take a shot like that to the face. Or he can trap magneto in a contrust with NO AIR in it and let him suffocate, if he wanted to be brutal he could make the circle smaller and smaller to the point that Magneto gets crushed.

#30 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@WarDemon32 I'm just gonna come out and say it. You cheated. Your supposed to have 1 planet leveler. 1 city leveler. 1 street leveler. Me and oceanmaster21 followed the rules. You using Alan Scott as a City leveler and Static as street level not legal.

#31 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

How'd I cheat? First off, I was asking if my roster was OK. You said NOTHING and oceanmaster said OK. I was actually asking for SBP but ocean kept saying no because he was skyfather level which he isn't.

Neither Magneto or Beta Ray Bill are street or city level. they both are plantery level. You chose a Superman(New 52) and Blue Beetle(The guy that walks around with nukes on his back). Since he chose two of these guys I asked if it's two powerhouses and you said one powerhouse. HOW COUD YOU NOT REALIZE THAT BETA AND MAGNETO ARE PLANET???

I specifically asked if it was two powerhouses and one street leveler and oceanmaster asked the same thing. I chose my team when it was two powerhouses and one city/street. I obviously wasn't aware that it was planet, city, and then street. And you said NOTHING until 1 day and 20 hours which if you told me I could have easily changed my roster. And then when I'm making good poitns you finally deicde to come out and say I cheated? Bull

#32 Edited by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: its ok my kryptonian brother our teams are kinda even member u have blue beetle who has a scarb n lanterns and scarbs are enemys and are on the same level n u have superman ur in good shape our teams are fine all tho idnt know a whole lot about hitgirl but as far as blue beetle just look up his respect thread n u will see hes pretty powerful.

Wardemon32 as far as what u were saying yea i get ur team has great defenses and yea our teams are all fighting but do u really think that alan scott can handle superman and beta ray bill coming at there defenses now even tho there bloodlusted and are fighting each other there gonna see despero being shielded and there gonna think he thinks he safe think again and im not saying they will work together but urs is the only team with defenses so they wud attack urs first to get them out of the way.

and whats those shelds are destroyed beta ray bill is going for despero yea iknow that despero lifted the rock of eternity but as you and i both know beta ray bill is no slouch in the strenght department.

here as u can see beta and thor lifted asgard together the whole world of asgard thats pretty strong.

his speed is also incredible u can see he flew threw the galaxy ftl speed

there he was escaping gravitational.

his combat speed is pretty good as well as u see he speed is so good he overwhelms stardust.

he can even perceive thing moving as fast as speed of light

so when it comes down to as far as our powerhouses its gonna be superman vs beta vs despero now seeing as how superman and despero already dont get a long they will probally begoing all out on each other.

now as u stated staic shock will be taken out by magneto and since superman n despero will already be fighting. beta will help magneto take on alan now ur correct one on one alan wud whoop magneto after interesting fight but with beta ray bill helping magneto they can take alan scout with the strenght n powers of beta n magnetism powers of magneto how is alan gonna stand up to all of that now i know that alan can create all kinds of constructs but can alan handle being hit by stormbreaker to the chest or face and having to deal with magneto n i have heard ppl say lanterns wud beat magneto but even with there rings whats to stop magneto from messing with the iron in there blood. magneto and beta ray bill has shields have there own so let see if alan can get threw there shields together.

so u say despero controlling our teams as well well as you shud know tp beta will break out of it 2 magneto wont be tp attacked period. MR sinister he wont be tp attacked actually him vs desperp tp wud be interesting but despero will be to busy but one major factor is despero wont work well with others he mite kill his own team before he gets to ours then u will just have despero.

@wardemon32: your move ur getting good at using despero

@allstarsuperman your move as well as i said beforeour teams are exactly even

#33 Edited by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

How'd I cheat? First off, I was asking if my roster was OK. You said NOTHING and oceanmaster said OK. I was actually asking for SBP but ocean kept saying no because he was skyfather level which he isn't.

I dont remember getting a PM or whatever.

Neither Magneto or Beta Ray Bill are street or city level. they both are plantery level. You chose a Superman(New 52) and Blue Beetle(The guy that walks around with nukes on his back). Since he chose two of these guys I asked if it's two powerhouses and you said one powerhouse. HOW COUD YOU NOT REALIZE THAT BETA AND MAGNETO ARE PLANET???

First Magneto is a city level, theres now way for him to be planet level. Blue Beetle is only a city level in character. but you said morals off which means scarab is in control and actually uses the nukes.

I specifically asked if it was two powerhouses and one street leveler and oceanmaster asked the same thing. I chose my team when it was two powerhouses and one city/street. I obviously wasn't aware that it was planet, city, and then street. And you said NOTHING until 1 day and 20 hours which if you told me I could have easily changed my roster. And then when I'm making good poitns you finally deicde to come out and say I cheated? Bull

If you could have changed your roster why didnt you. First off Static is not street level. If he is why are you saying he could beat Superman? I proved Superman is better than Static. The only way im continueing this is if me and Oceanmaster21 can team up.

@allstarsuperman: its ok my kryptonian brother our teams are kinda even member u have blue beetle who has a scarb n lanterns and scarbs are enemys and are on the same level n u have superman ur in good shape our teams are fine all tho idnt know a whole lot about hitgirl but as far as blue beetle just look up his respect thread n u will see hes pretty powerful.

Yes but Blue Beetle in character is not a planet level. Both Mr Sinister and Static are really high street level if at all.

so what do you say about this:

Despero vs Superman(New 52) and Beta Ray Bill

Alan Scott(Starheart) vs Blue Beetle and Magneto

Static Shock vs Mr. Sinister and Hit-Girl

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#34 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21:

u really think that alan scott can handle superman and beta ray bill coming at there defenses now even tho there bloodlusted and are fighting each other there gonna see despero being shielded and there gonna think he thinks he safe think again and im not saying they will work together but urs is the only team with defenses so they wud attack urs first to get them out of the way.

Well you can't really speak for Superman since he's not on your roster and unless AllStarSuperman wants to team up with you. And yes, he can take a bloodlsuted Superman and Beta Ray Bill.

But, it wouldn't make sense. Thier going to try their hardest to break through but they don't really have any striking power feats to say they can even break it(Keep in mind these shields can be thick).

and whats those shelds are destroyed beta ray bill is going for despero yea iknow that despero lifted the rock of eternity but as you and i both know beta ray bill is no slouch in the strenght department.

here as u can see beta and thor lifted asgard together the whole world of asgard thats pretty strong.

Actually I'm not putting Despero outside of this shield until both of your teams has doen a considerable amount of damage. And I don't know if that planet has a low density or it's simply inconsistent. Because with attacks like that the characters being hit should have their jaw broken or something. That's probably saying that maybe that planet isn't as strogn as you think it is?

But, I'll still accept it and let Despero out.

And again, travel speed isn't combat speed. I don't think he instantly goes FTL just like that. This battle isn't THAT far away and that planet bust thing, he charged at light speed miles away and hit it. Flash should probably be able to break a planet like that with a punch, not sure though.

so when it comes down to as far as our powerhouses its gonna be superman vs beta vs despero now seeing as how superman and despero already dont get a long they will probally begoing all out on each other.

Please keep in mind that Despero is attacking a weakened Beta and Superman. These two just had a fight with each other AND they just went through hell getting through my defenses(I actually LET despero get out, not that they were even strong enough to break through).

  • Despero has better combat feats
  • Can settle both down with TP

He fought off

  • Pre-52 Superman(Who has much better combat feats than New 52)
  • Green Lantern
  • Hawkman
  • Captain Marvel
  • Flash(Wally to be exact)
  • And I can keep going

And then I can add in his other feats of him beating Lobo, Martian manhunter(physical fight), and I can keep going.

Keep in mind this battle is STILL centered around Alan Scotts already laid down weaponry which should do some damage. These constructs are capable of peircing people like Mongul. This should be teh same case for Superman(New 52) and Beta Ray Bill.

And let's not forget that Martian Manhunter solo'd JLA New 52 which included Superman.

stated staic shock will be taken out by magneto and since superman n despero will already be fighting. beta will help magneto take on alan now ur correct one on one alan wud whoop magneto after interesting fight but with beta ray bill helping magneto they can take alan scout with the strenght n powers of beta n magnetism powers of magneto how is alan gonna stand up to all of that now i know that alan can create all kinds of constructs but can alan handle being hit by stormbreaker to the chest or face and having to deal with magneto n i have heard ppl say lanterns wud beat magneto but even with there rings whats to stop magneto from messing with the iron in there blood. magneto and beta ray bill has shields have there own so let see if alan can get threw there shields together.

No Alan Scott would kill Magneto pretty quick. And I thought you said Beta was fighting Despero and Superman. Now he's double teaming Alan Scott? That doesn't even make any sense.

I've already showed you Alan Scott laughing off punches from Powergirl and Supergirls laser vision. He should be able to take a stormbreaker.

I don't think you understand that Alan Scott can make a shield AROUND THEIR shield leaving them with no air to breath. OR he can shoot Magneto in the face to end it. And that reverse blood process doesn't kill you isntantly as in compared to crushing someone with a construct. Or it wont stop him fro his ations being influenced by Despero or Alan.

If everyone knows that magneto has a hard time with a regular GL what makes you think he's lasting with Alan?

so u say despero controlling our teams as well well as you shud know tp beta will break out of it 2 magneto wont be tp attacked period.

Both wrong. When Beta Ray Bill was being TPd he broke out, yea. But how does that mean he breaks out of Despero's? That's like saying anyone who has broken out of TP can over power Martian Manhunter, Emma, Xavier, Despero, etc... That guys who had him under cotnrol has NO feats to put him on Despero's level. Depsero had a guy under control who could beat Xavier(MM) while Xavier is like the best telepath in Marvel Period.

How wont he be TP attacked? Just because he has a helmet on doesn't mean he can't be TPd. It helps him with it, it's never said that he's immune to it with the helmet on.

Even if, Alan Scott posses people. That doesn't even deal with tp, that just simply controling someone. They both work in different ways.

MR sinister he wont be tp attacked actually him vs desperp tp wud be interesting but despero will be to busy

Hell, no. Intresting nothing. He would be ended in a second. He has NO feats to compare. Despero beat to telepaths at once. And how will he be busy? I already said that he was toying with their minds WHILE he was in his sheild. And he's controlled more than one person at the same time, even while in battle.

one major factor is despero wont work well with others he mite kill his own team before he gets to ours then u will just have despero.

What?? What kind of tactic is this? Alright then.... show me some scans of Despero working bad with others. Turning agianst you team isn't allowed in these battles....

If that was the case I would have said a while ago that Blue Beetle would have spammed some nukes agianst his own team or something since "he doesn't work well with others".

#35 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

I dont remember getting a PM or whatever.

We seriously said it over and over. Even if, you saw the thread, you could have easily said something. Even when the guy said my team will win you specifically said "its not about whos team would win, you vote on who made the best posts" as if it didn't matter about my team. But then when I started making point THEN you say something???

First Magneto is a city level, theres now way for him to be planet level. Blue Beetle is only a city level in character. but you said morals off which means scarab is in control and actually uses the nukes.

A guy who can move a planet and is an Omega Mutant is city level? WGGAHTTTT?

The guy who can spam nukes and has been hinted to hurt spectre is city level? WGGAHTTT? You KNEW it was morals off so you knew with morals off he'd basically be called a planet buster. He's also been hinted to be able to blow up a planet. But, you STILL go on with it. You just kind of contradicted yourself.

If you could have changed your roster why didnt you. First off Static is not street level. If he is why are you saying he could beat Superman? I proved Superman is better than Static. The only way im continueing this is if me and Oceanmaster21 can team up.

WHATTT? I was already 4 post in(that was also long post) about the topic. Why would I just change my team? It was obvious I was un aware and so was oceanmaster, wouldn't that mean YOU were unaware yourself? You should have said some in the beggining BEFORE we started posting.

Now let's back track, when did I say static could beat Superman? Here's EXACTLY what I said

Stun Superman(Which I will adress later)

Do you know the difference between stun and kill? Or stun and beat? My point was that Static can actually do damage to Superman not beat him.

And you seem a little stuck up and starting to sound like a sore loser? You wanan team up, go ahead. I can still get my team to win.

You don't see oceanmaster complaning like you and he's still continuing the battle. You KNEW you could have changed characters because you say Oceanmaster21 change from scarlet spider to Mr. Sinster. I'll let you guys team up, doesn't matter to me.

From now on this is Oceanmaster21 and AllStarSuperman vs Wardemon32

#36 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: so this is 2 vs 1 are we really doing this i thought we was having good debate i mean do u both wanna restart n rechoose chachaters

@allstarsuperman:why do u doubt ur team why do u think his team is more powerful than ours there all even the only person in question hitgirl but blue beetle has beaten atrocidis not even bloodlusted n uknow how powerful superman is

especially bloodluted but are we teaming up

#37 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21: yeah id like to team up. Despero has soloed the Justice League. and Alan Scott has soloed the Justice League and Justice Society, IIRC. My only person that could maybe beat him is Blue Beetle. But i dont hes even gonna win. so are you okay with this? and are you okay if we seperate the fights like this:

Despero vs Superman(New 52) and Beta Ray Bill

Alan Scott(Starheart) vs Blue Beetle and Magneto

Static Shock vs Mr. Sinister and Hit-Girl

#38 Edited by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: YE YEA BUT KNOW THAT OUR TEAMS WUD HAVE TO FIGHT EVENTUALLY BC ITS A TRIPLE THEAT FIGHT ALSO IT MITE CONFUSE THE VOTERS N THT CUD GIVE WARDEMON THE WIN VINERS DONT LIKE BEING CONFUSED BUT YEA WE CAN DO THIS BUT YEA LETS DO IT BUT IT MIGHT BE HARD AS I SAID BC THE VOTERS

#39 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

oceanmaster21 is correct voters are confused(at least me)

#40 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio
#42 Posted by Juiceboks (8402 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero AND Alan Scott on the same team? It was already way in Wardemon's favor from the start. 2v1 would be a little more interesting but..still.

#43 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

Battle Starts here!!!

#44 Edited by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

OK, so you guys wanted

  • Despero vs Superman(New 52) & Beta Ray Bill
  • Alan Scott vs Blue Beetle & Mangeto
  • Static Shock vs Hit-Girl & Mr. Sinister

So first I'll start off with Static vs Hit-Girl & Mr. Sinister.

Hit-Girl is guying within a few seconds of this battle point blank. Isn't she about 12 or something? She's a REGULAR human, meaning that she can and will die by electric shocks. A few volts of elecrticity would literally make her explode.

This scan shows Static beign able to produce and project 20,000 volts of electricity. A regular electric chair has about 2,000 volts in it and only takes a few seconds to kill someone. This is 10x greater than 20,000 volts, MINIMUM. And then you have the fact that Hit-Girl uses fighting and guns which would both be useless since he; Has electric punches, can stop bullets, can take her gun away, and can stay a distance and shock her from there.

Then there's Mr. Sinister. His telepathy is basically usesless since static can block him completely.

  • Blocked Ms. Martian
  • Blocked THE ANTI-LIFE EQUATION!(Which you require me to put TONS of scans which makes no sense to put like a full comicbook)
  • And has blocked other low telepaths.

Blocking off Ms. Martian and the anti-life equation is VERY impressive. All static can really do is crush him(There's metals all around the place for static to pick up) or repeatdely fry him over and over until he dies.

#45 Posted by HigorM (3690 posts) - - Show Bio

Despero and Alan Scott(Starheart) Bloodlusted?

This is a spite..

#46 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: ok hit girl is just human correct and static beat hitgirl but mr sinister has all kinds of ablities and including telekenis he cud make staick hit the ground over and over till it kills him staic is also human and i dont think he can handle something like that and mr sinister can shoot eneryg blast as well both of which wud kill staic and mr sinister has fought powerful tp mutans and resisted them as well him and staic are on the same level so i say static cud beat mr sinister but mr sinister cud beat static as well

#47 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: @oceanmaster21:

Energy Blast wouldn't really be much of help sicne Flash moves at the speed of lightning+the fact that Static already has shields to protect himself from it.

Even with telekenesis you still have to remember the fact that Static's powers are STILL intact so he could still blast him(which would drop the telekenesis).

Despero vs Superman(New 52) and Beta Ray Bill

Again, Despero wins this one. Superman doesn't have much feats to go on when it comes to combat feats. And don't point out how he tagged Flash because it was obvious Flash wasn't trying AND Flash was basically standing in one spot.

Despero has already MUCH better and possiblly more combat feats than Superman(New 52) and Beta Ray Bill. While in New 52 Superman and the rest of the JLA had trouble taking down Martian Manhunter(New 52)

He took on

  • Powergirl
  • Superman(Which has better combat feats than New 52)
  • Captain Atom
  • Green Lantern
  • Alan Scott
  • Hourman
  • Flash(Wally West)
  • Jay Garrick
  • Green Arrow
  • Wildcat
  • Shazam
  • Firestorm
  • Plastic Man
  • Hawkman
  • + More ALL AT ONCE(And include the fact that after all of this he was still able to lift the Rock Of Eternity)

And I didn't even get into when he beat JLA+Lobo. I know for a FACT that Superman New 52 and Beta Ray Bill can't pull this off, even teamed. And he can just TP them and make them fight eachother, he's already did it to the JLA(Multiple people at once). And I know you are going to say that "Beta has resisted TP before" but you have to understand that he was agaisnt someone WEAKER than Despero. And if you want to argue that he guy who had him under TP was stronger or the same level as Despero your going to have to show some type of scans and feats of him.

And the fact alone that Beta was under TP in the first place says something. And if he can't(which he can), he can take Superman and make it a 2v1 or just a 1v1(Beta vs Superman). Then finish off who ever survives.

#48 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7816 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardemon32: now your rite if despero has time to tp then yea he wud but with superman bloodlusted superman will just try to speedblitzs which despero can counter but while superman fighting with despero beta ray bill is gonna fly up and open a portal make it rain down comets down on despero just like he did to ego the living planent

you know he can disintegrate despero with a powerful omnidirectional blast capable of wiping out an army of demons...

so if he can do that to an army of powerful demons with just one blast imagine what the omnidirectional blast can do to despero

he can curse despero with a magical plage in the span of a millisecond just like he did when he was with qussar and silver surfer it felt like hours to them, meaning it was far from optimal speed.

do u think despero can handle all that.

despero is no joke especially if hes bloodlusted but neither is beta ray bill

@allstarsuperman:so are u still in or what bc im defending beta ray bill u gotta defend superman are u still in

#49 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21475 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman could tag flash five years ago: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2370076-pinch2.jpg

And he coyuld go toe to toe with Darkseid five years ago:http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2371437-superman_vs_darkseid.jpg

Superman from five years ago resisted Captain Comets mind control. And Later on when Susie connected his mind to the whole world he was still able to fight superdoom and controll everone to say there name backwards. so he definetly has TP resistence. and that was all five years ago. Now his TP resistence is probably more powerful like all his other powers.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2505915-action_12_thegroup_007.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2505916-action_12_thegroup_008.jpg

Punches H'el so hard,hard enough to take down mountains,it can be felt at the center of the earth, all the way in the watchtower, and dr. Veritas states he's exceeding previouly recorded powerlevels. Lately Kal has benched pressed the weight of the planet for five days. And that was before Veritas said he was exceeding records.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913208-superman__17___page_9.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/79345/2913205-superman__17___page_10.jpg

A moralless Superman will speedblitz Despero, while BRB provides the long range attacks. Superman obviously has enough strength to lay the smack down on him.

#50 Posted by Wardemon32 (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21:

superman fighting with despero beta ray bill is gonna fly up and open a portal make it rain down comets down on despero just like he did to ego the living planent

You should know that Despero can teleport things with his 3rd eye AND use telekensis right? OR he can use his 3rd eye to blast these asteroids right? And as for him getting Blitzed by Superman, Despero can go FTL AND can pound on Superman like he did to Supergirl.

so if he can do that to an army of powerful demons with just one blast imagine what the omnidirectional blast can do to despero

he can curse despero with a magical plage in the span of a millisecond just like he did when he was with qussar and silver surfer it felt like hours to them, meaning it was far from optimal speed.

Those demons were obviously not that powerful if there getting smacked around and getting taken out with ONE blast. Those same blast can't take out Silver Surfer, Hulk, Juggernaut, and others. You can't say that blast would disintegrate Despero if he can't do that to others.

And I don't get this curse thing. Can you explain WHAT it was, and I think they were just exaggerating the curse thing and it was so painful that it was like they were pain for hours. Even if, that still doesn't take away from the fact that Silver Surfer was still alive and walking and talking like it was nothing. It was still one a millisecond.

And it looks like Beta broke the plague. And I don't think the he cast the curse in a milisecond or whatever, that's how long the plague lasted. I don't even think Beta Ray can even cast spells as far as I know. Can yuo post some scans of before and after this happened because I really need some explanation.

And what is he supposed to be doing i that last scan?

Just because they are bloodlusted does not mean they can't be taken out by TP. You can't just factor that out. Realistically speaking both of them would be vulnerable to TP, something Despero would use, and have them fight each other. Before you put scans of him doing all of these feats with strength and stuff you still have to counter how Desperos TP would have never worked.

Beta Ray Bill still has no combat feats to say that he can even beat Despero.