120 Space Marines vs 150 Jedi

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120 Space Marines. All have Bolter and Chain Sword.

20 Have Power weapons and Jump Packs.

10 are Stern Guard with special Ammo.

5 have Lasscannons. 5 Have Meltas. 5 Have Heavy Bolters. 5 have Missile Launchers.

5 are Terminators with storm Bolters and Power Fist.

Also 2 of the Marines are average Librariuns, and 2 are Chaplains. Both have respective Gear.

Terminator Captain with Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, and Iron Halo.

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They fight the Jedi Temple fill with 99 average Jedi Knights. 1 Jedi Master.

20 with Dual Lighsabers, 20 with Double Bladed Light Sabers, rest with a Light Saber.

There is also 50 young Padawans with Light Sabers.

Battle in a forest setting battlefield.

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The Jedi wins but the Space Marine have a chance if their numbers are bigger.

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The Jedi wins but the Space Marine have a chance if their numbers are bigger.

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#5  Edited By Strider1992

@cadencev2: Are these Imperial Fists like in the picture or a different chapter? Different Chapters would lead to different out-comes.

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@cadencev2: Are these Imperial Fists like in the picture or a different chapter? Different Chapters would lead to different out-comes.

Vaniila Ultramarine Codex types. like the Imperial Fists.

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@cadencev2: I'll give a detailed reply when I get home because I like this fight! :p

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I'm leaning towards Warhammer on this one. Their gear and equipment is too much to counter, especially considering that the padawans would get slaughtered in mere minutes.

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@deranged_midget: their lightsaber can cut good and if you don't have a lightsaber it's pretty hard to stop it, it can cut marines in half but yeah padawans are dumb.

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@ghostrider2: Actually power armor is made of Ceramite plating which is designed to absorb the heat of a fusion core. As a light-sabre is essentially just concentrated light/plasma that releases heat it is the absolute worse kind of weapon to use against a Marine as ceramite absorbs heat.

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@deranged_midget: their lightsaber can cut good and if you don't have a lightsaber it's pretty hard to stop it, it can cut marines in half but yeah padawans are dumb.

I know what lightsabers are capable of, the difference being that the average Jedi is rather mediocre in terms of skill and power and that makes the difference. A Jedi Master, still rather impressive, doesn't represent the best of the best. Yoda, Kenobi, Windu, Dooku and few others were the exceptions.

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@cadencev2: what are the chapters involved?

what about the big names in this fight?

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@nerx said:

@cadencev2: what are the chapters involved?

what about the big names in this fight?

No Specific Chapter, just those that adhere to Codex Astartes. Vanilla Marines. Pick a Chapter if you wish to.

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Well here's my reply!!!!

Durability:

Power Armor has taken vast amounts of damage both penetrative and blunt trauma with little difficulty before so while Jedi could use TK to throw them around this isn't going to much to characters who can free-fall from a planets atmosphere onto its surface. Jedi while they can be very durable fodder Jedi are nowhere near as good at manipulating the force as named or high-ranking Jedi its unlikely that any of them can effectively parry a volley of Bolter-fire that has punched through tank armor in the past. The next thing is the Jedi's weapons. They are using the worst time of weapon you can possibly use against a Marine. Lightsabres are focused plasma weapons and generates great heat to cut through objects as we've seen incredibly thick metal melt easily beneath its touch however Space Marine power armor is made of Ceramite:

Ceramite conducts almost no heat, making it especially heat-resistant and effective against energy-based weapons

-Space Marine Codex

So this means that a lightsabre is going to have a very hard time penetrating Power Armor. Terminator armor whcih is further enforced can walk through plasma cores which are the same heat as the sun with little effect (this is actually what it was designed for the Adeptus Mechanicus needed suits to be able to work in the extreme temperatures and only after building these suits they realized their potential for weaponized suits).

In this encounter Space Marines have a big durability advantage due to their healing factors, the exact type of weapon they were built to counter being used on them by the enemy and stupidly powerful blunt trauma resistance.

Stats:

Aside from durability the two teams are probably about equal in regards to normal stats due to the Jedi using the force to augment themselves and the Space Marines being superhuman.

As far as i'm concerned due to the versatility of the Jedi this is probably about equal.

Skill and Experience:

Run-of-the-mill Jedi have been largely unimpressive unfortunately as @deranged_midget pointed out. They are of course above average but only named characters display any sort of real skill or combat ability. Space Marines on the other hand are a different story. At age 14 they undergo the Astrates Augmentations and straight after that they are trained 21 hours day until they die in every form of combat (both close combat and ranged) the Imperium has to offer. The average age of a Space Marine is 150 years old and they have been fighting every single day of their lives for 21hours. Unnamed Marine's have been seen deflecting bullets multiple bullets with the edge of their swords and even knives and have been able to match Eldar warriors in close combat despite their vastly superior speed and arguably training too.

On a whole fodder Marines are far more impressive than fodder Jedi

Weapons:

This is what clinches it for me. Stormtrooper weapons are nothing compared with Marine bolters which are effectively miniature missiles and Lascannon's that can one-shot 40k vehicles. I could go into detail but its would take more time than i'm willing to dedicate right now. The Jedi's weapons as I touched on earlier are the absolute worst thing to use against a Marine due to how they work.

In this case Lightsabres are a hindrance more than a help. Marine ordnance is too much.

Conclusion:

The Marines have the durability to outlast Jedi versatility, are far more skilled in general (not talking special characters just basic Jedi), will have a far easier time hurting the Jedi than the other way around and have far more fire power.

Marines will end up taking this.

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tending to favour 40k here due to the Libarian & Chaplain in the roster.

Reading the Purging of Kadillus at the mo & the Dark Angels chaplain is one mad mo fo with his rosarius.Not only does it protect him from most attacks but its a formidable weapon too.Add this to his usual gear probably being the best armour,Helm the company can offer the Jedi will have their work cut out imo.

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Marines stomp honestly, mostly due to a lack of experienced Jedi. In close combat, any marine easily tears apart your average jedi knight. Pretty sure ceramite armor wold be tough as hell to cut through with a lightsaber, much like how blast doors take a while to burn through in the Star Wars universe. Throw in some upgrades for the Star Wars team and this becomes a fairer fight.

tending to favour 40k here due to the Libarian & Chaplain in the roster.

Reading the Purging of Kadillus at the mo & the Dark Angels chaplain is one mad mo fo with his rosarius.Not only does it protect him from most attacks but its a formidable weapon too.Add this to his usual gear probably being the best armour,Helm the company can offer the Jedi will have their work cut out imo.

Good book? I've just finished a couple of novels on the Grey Knights and have been thinking of looking into a new chapter. (off-topic, sorry)

Back to the topic, the sheer weapons advantage of the marines add to their stomp. The meltas and missile launchers hit real hard and the padawans are a non-factor.

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A bolter round cannot be stopped by a lightsaber. It not only explodes, but is also 75mm thick, thicker than a lightsaber. Space marine power armour might be cut by lightsabers, the same way Qui Gon cut that door in episode one, after about 30 minutes of trying. Space marines move about as fast as jedi, but are trained to fight in groups. A librarian would instantly psychically kill dozens of jedi. The jedi might try to dodge terminators and run away from them through crowded streets, but other than that they can do nothing against a terminator. An average space marine weighs 3 tons so an average jedi isn't force pushing even an unsuspecting one any time soon. Much less one unleashing a volley of explosive bullets, and being supported by librarians.

Space marines wreck jedi.

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#18  Edited By Rainx20

@cadencev2: You really love Warhammer 40k =p. I think the Jedi might loose because average jedi are not that special look at the battle of Genoisis in Episode 2 most of the average jedi got there asses handed to them by battle droids. The Marines win but not by much.

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Hopefully the Jedi Master is Yoda and the two Jedi Knights are Ashoka and Anakin.

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@strider1992: When did the unnamed space marines deflect bullets?