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#51 Edited by beautifulrevery (1505 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostrider2 said:

@inconvenient_truth: well, GR would kill a clone at a time then move to another, and the clones can't do a damn thing.

oh good lord. for the 5th time on this thread. theyre blitzing. theres 100 bloodlusted supermen blitzing. probably traveling at5,208,000 miles per second since that is what the speed comes out to when he fought AND flew at the same time vs WW. fought while flyingand went to the sun and back in under 2 minutes. thats 28 times ftl. bring up people that have that type of reaction speed. please read the OP

It takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach the earth. 16 minutes here and back therefore the reverse is the same. They were only going 8 times faster than light for that time to work. Also, GR is invulnerable unless he's attacked by divine weapons/magic. The Supermen can blitz all they want buy GR isn't going down to their punches. Penance stare and their done.

#52 Edited by GhostRider2 (3279 posts) - - Show Bio
#53 Edited by blacharrt (1567 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:
@ghostrider2 said:

@inconvenient_truth: well, GR would kill a clone at a time then move to another, and the clones can't do a damn thing.

oh good lord. for the 5th time on this thread. theyre blitzing. theres 100 bloodlusted supermen blitzing. probably traveling at5,208,000 miles per second since that is what the speed comes out to when he fought AND flew at the same time vs WW. fought while flyingand went to the sun and back in under 2 minutes. thats 28 times ftl. bring up people that have that type of reaction speed. please read the OP

It takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach the earth. 16 minutes here and back therefore the reverse is the same. They were only going 8 times faster than light for that time to work. Also, GR is invulnerable unless he's attacked by divine weapons/magic. The Supermen can blitz all they want buy GR isn't going down to their punches. Penance stare and their done.

This^, also Man-thing wouldn't be affected by their punches either, and they could be burnt to death on contact with him.

#54 Edited by matchesmalone21 (8601 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: You're overrating Superman clones too much. As I said Iceman doesn't need his body..so how they can speedblitz them?? There are several characters who are able to negate,copy, mimic and draining powers...there are also other powerful characters able to contain them and BFR wouldn't work as Blue Marvel,Sentry,Hyperion,Captain Britain,Wonder Man,Black Bolt

@thesuperhuman: Finally someone with a real good argument!!!!!

#55 Posted by MonsterStomp (16692 posts) - - Show Bio

100 Bloodlusted Superman could just bust the planet before any even realize what happened.

#56 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@blacharrt: no cosmic powers. says it in the OP dude.

#57 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:
@ghostrider2 said:

@inconvenient_truth: well, GR would kill a clone at a time then move to another, and the clones can't do a damn thing.

oh good lord. for the 5th time on this thread. theyre blitzing. theres 100 bloodlusted supermen blitzing. probably traveling at5,208,000 miles per second since that is what the speed comes out to when he fought AND flew at the same time vs WW. fought while flyingand went to the sun and back in under 2 minutes. thats 28 times ftl. bring up people that have that type of reaction speed. please read the OP

It takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach the earth. 16 minutes here and back therefore the reverse is the same. They were only going 8 times faster than light for that time to work. Also, GR is invulnerable unless he's attacked by divine weapons/magic. The Supermen can blitz all they want buy GR isn't going down to their punches. Penance stare and their done.

they went and came in under 2 minutes. they were going 28 times ftl.

#58 Edited by blacharrt (1567 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth said:

@blacharrt: no cosmic powers. says it in the OP dude.

you stated in the OP "no interference from Cosmic Entities", not cosmic power leveled earth heroes, there is a difference. Cosmic Entities would be Galactus, Ego, Beyonder, and other Abstracts. Maybe you should change the wording so that it's cosmic level earth heroes too.

Because if that's the case a lot of Earth's heros can't fight in this match.

#59 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8601 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Let's do like this is one sided thread and surely a stomp in Superman's clone favor in your words.....I will call a moderator to lock it.

#60 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: You're overrating Superman clones too much. As I said Iceman doesn't need his body..so how they can speedblitz them?? There are several characters who are able to negate,copy, mimic and draining powers...there are also other powerful characters able to contain them and BFR wouldn't work as Blue Marvel,Sentry,Hyperion,Captain Britain,Wonder Man,Black Bolt

@thesuperhuman: Finally someone with a real good argument!!!!!

thats cool and all if they can react to the speed blitzing of 100 superman clones

#61 Posted by blacharrt (1567 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth:

Name one superhero team in marvel that hasn't had a space or other dimensional arc where they spent long periods of time away from earth. You have made this a very one sided fight by taking out people would could actually counter the 100 superman, this should be locked.

#62 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth:

Name one superhero team in marvel that hasn't had a space or other dimensional arc where they spent long periods of time away from earth. You have made this a very one sided fight by taking out people would could actually counter the 100 superman, this should be locked.

so then lets leave the people with cosmic powers that are based on earth to help marvel team. if youre going to use them just remember they have to have incredible reaction times though so i dont have to mention it again.

#63 Posted by Schmalzel (339 posts) - - Show Bio

@matchesmalone21 said:

@inconvenient_truth: Thanks for noticing,that I'm not debating.....just saying so people start to think about it and this thread doesn't look one sided. Ohhh Iceman doesn't need to be around to fight,he even doesn't need to use his real body and plus Hope can mimic the powers of people around, and how the x-men will be present and are a very large group, imagine her showing 100 powers simultaneously.

yea marvel has a ton of really powerful people. its just difficult when youre getting speed blitzed by 100 superman clones.

You getting the planet from stopping from being busted really put this in Marvels corner. The most powerful telepaths would see it coming. Kid Richards, Xavier, Jean Grey, Phoenix, (Rachel Summers) among others would be the deciding factor, and of course Dr. Strange Silver Surfer also considered "heroes" not cosmic beings. I don't see this being to close with the balance of power magic speed and smarts on all levels they have to attack the body and mind. No way supes and his clones gets much done especially without sun dipping, there will be casualties, but that is of course to be factored in.

#64 Posted by antiwhipped (202 posts) - - Show Bio

Wundaar the Aquarion slows clones to negate speed enough for telepaths, reality warpers to defeat the clones.

#65 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

Wundaar the Aquarion slows clones to negate speed enough for telepaths, reality warpers to defeat the clones.

he has fast enough reaction time to counter the blitz?

#66 Posted by antiwhipped (202 posts) - - Show Bio

He can't be blitzed as his field is always up and can extend it in an instant. How much time between sides seeing each other and fight starting.

#67 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

He can't be blitzed as his field is always up and can extend it in an instant. How much time between sides seeing each other and fight starting.

i dont remember how far away they are but when they each travel 28 times faster than light i dont think it matters. can he put up his field faster than the clones are going at the marvel earth at the speed of 5,208,000 miles per second?

#68 Edited by TheVoiceOfReason (747 posts) - - Show Bio

The clones instantly destroy the planet.

#69 Posted by antiwhipped (202 posts) - - Show Bio

So marvel earth is teleported in and they don't get a chance to even see the supermen before the blitzing begins?

#70 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

So marvel earth is teleported in and they don't get a chance to even see the supermen before the blitzing begins?

they both get teleported into the battle area at the same time.

#71 Posted by antiwhipped (202 posts) - - Show Bio

Too many variables. If the clones attack people who can't be blitzed could make a difference. Whoever is standing closest to Wundaar may avoid the blitz. Does that include a telepath or reality warper?

#72 Edited by antiwhipped (202 posts) - - Show Bio

Darwin becomes fast enough to evade the supermen and also emits a shitload of kryptonite radiation. Wundaar extends his field to make it easier for Darwin to evade and the clones are eventually rendered helpless due to the kryptonite exposure. Butterball and Mr. Immortal (and any other blitz survivors but these two are guaranteed to live), grieving for Marvel's losses walk around and stab the clones to death with any surviving sharp objects.

Winners:

#73 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (3978 posts) - - Show Bio

@antiwhipped said:

He can't be blitzed as his field is always up and can extend it in an instant. How much time between sides seeing each other and fight starting.

i dont remember how far away they are but when they each travel 28 times faster than light i dont think it matters. can he put up his field faster than the clones are going at the marvel earth at the speed of 5,208,000 miles per second?

His field is always up and he can't turn it off IIRC, they will become powerless and freeze in place one they get within a few feet of him.

#74 Edited by blacharrt (1567 posts) - - Show Bio

@blacharrt said:

@inconvenient_truth:

Name one superhero team in marvel that hasn't had a space or other dimensional arc where they spent long periods of time away from earth. You have made this a very one sided fight by taking out people would could actually counter the 100 superman, this should be locked.

so then lets leave the people with cosmic powers that are based on earth to help marvel team. if youre going to use them just remember they have to have incredible reaction times though so i dont have to mention it again.

They don't even need to survive the blitz, but all of the people with cosmic powers are either as fast or shown to be faster than superman, so that's not even an issue. But you have beings like Layla Miller who not only has auto shielding and very powerful ones at that, but can bring the dead back to life, Wanda, can also bring the dead back to life. Threnody also, whom is also immortal. Darwin as a the god of Death has the same powers as Hel and can command the dead. So a blitz unless you kill all these people and possibly more is pointless. But Again Legion can stop time, and again no matter how bloodlusted superman is, he can't prevent legion from using this ability, or the ability that make it physically impossible to hit Legion, or his ability to absorb the soul out of someone by physical contact and take control of their bodies, or super adaptive abilities. Also Legion's teleportation ability are nothing to scoff at, he teleported an invasion onto the x-men just to distract them from several million lightyears away. Wanda created an entire army of Kree warship full scale invasion of Ultrons, then Magik has the entire demon horde of Limbo. They would have an entire Army of other worldly creation to get past before they even got to the main even.

#75 Posted by New_World_Order (12924 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

If they can make Leech invisible and get force fields around him then it's over for superman. add in Darwin and Photon/Pulsar. TP users etc. marvel takes this

What can Leech do? Drain energy?

#76 Edited by 18hunt (2893 posts) - - Show Bio

Supe clones, and I thought people would bring up sentry. Lol he is definitely useless here

#77 Posted by pooty (11010 posts) - - Show Bio

@inconvenient_truth: Honestly, Photon can SOLO all the clones by herself. In energy form she is invisible and can't be touched. she can detect energy traces and will know that Superman is weak to red sunlight. she will have all the time she needs to defeat them.

@pooty said:

If they can make Leech invisible and get force fields around him then it's over for superman. add in Darwin and Photon/Pulsar. TP users etc. marvel takes this

What can Leech do? Drain energy?

Nope. He negates ALL Super powers within his vicinity. If you get close to him, you are powerless.

#78 Edited by Kal-El Summers (208 posts) - - Show Bio

What's to stop Hope from mimicking Superman's abilities? What's to stop Hope from mimicking every superhero as well as Superman's abilities? Magic may not affect the clones directly, but magic could affect them other ways by environmental manipulation (use your imagination). For those of you stating Superman can speedblitz, how is he going to know who the most powerful are and who to speedblitz first? On top of that, what's his fastest speedblitz, and on who?

I'm assuming this is how most Superman fans see Superman winning: everyone, including the Superman clones, are dropped into this arena, and just as they arrive, Superman instantly starts speedblitzing them to death.

The fact that Hope can only mimic mutant abilities, which Supes certainly isn't? She definitely has some powers to sample from, but one of them won't be Superman's.

#79 Posted by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

and what if while the clones are speed blitzing their blowing ice breath one way and shooting heat vision the other way while punching straight? my good ness theyd take out a boat load of people in a nano second.

#80 Edited by New_World_Order (12924 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@inconvenient_truth: Honestly, Photon can SOLO all the clones by herself. In energy form she is invisible and can't be touched. she can detect energy traces and will know that Superman is weak to red sunlight. she will have all the time she needs to defeat them.

@thundergodswrath said:

@pooty said:

If they can make Leech invisible and get force fields around him then it's over for superman. add in Darwin and Photon/Pulsar. TP users etc. marvel takes this

What can Leech do? Drain energy?

Nope. He negates ALL Super powers within his vicinity. If you get close to him, you are powerless.

Damn that's some power. I'm guessing Leech is a mutant?

#81 Posted by GhostRavage (8787 posts) - - Show Bio

OdinForce Thor, Silver Surfer, and Fraklin Richards are enough to beat all clones, there's no need to mention any one else.

#82 Posted by capall2 (1428 posts) - - Show Bio

The clones can't win even with blitz...there are marvel heros such as nate, franklin and several others that can survive this attack then its over for the clones...

#83 Edited by Inconvenient_Truth (2362 posts) - - Show Bio

they would need to just to survive the first microsecond

#84 Edited by pooty (11010 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: yes. he is a mutant. did you see the Xmen movies? The little bald boy they had in the hospital. The one who had the cure for mutants was Leech. He is green in the comics

#85 Posted by New_World_Order (12924 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@thundergodswrath: yes. he is a mutant. did you see the Xmen movies? The little bald boy they had in the hospital. The one who had the cure for mutants was Leech. He is green in the comics

Ohhhh, that makes sense now

#86 Posted by kszypty (3 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel wins thanks to rule of conservation of ninjutsu:P. But seriously, there's just too many factors to decide the outcome, if guys like Thor, Jugger and Sentry stop them for long enough, then Marvel's got enough hax abilities to take it, but they can get blitzed, so it's 50/50.

#87 Edited by GhostRavage (8787 posts) - - Show Bio

@thevoiceofreason: Franklin Richards recreates the earth back again, then he knows Superman clones need to be destroyed and turn them into bath salts and gets high as f*ck with Taskmaster.

That's one of the multiple possibilities of how this battle can end. The 100 clones can't win here, there are characters (not cosmic entities) in Marvel that stomp effortlessly on characters like Superman.

#88 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio

@thesuperhuman said:

What's to stop Hope from mimicking Superman's abilities? What's to stop Hope from mimicking every superhero as well as Superman's abilities? Magic may not affect the clones directly, but magic could affect them other ways by environmental manipulation (use your imagination). For those of you stating Superman can speedblitz, how is he going to know who the most powerful are and who to speedblitz first? On top of that, what's his fastest speedblitz, and on who?

I'm assuming this is how most Superman fans see Superman winning: everyone, including the Superman clones, are dropped into this arena, and just as they arrive, Superman instantly starts speedblitzing them to death.

The fact that Hope can only mimic mutant abilities, which Supes certainly isn't? She definitely has some powers to sample from, but one of them won't be Superman's.

I've never seen or heard that she couldn't. Where does it state she can't? Don't show me her profile, give me a scan or a book and page number.

#89 Posted by OverLordArhas (7670 posts) - - Show Bio
#90 Edited by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

Due to the law of Conservation of Ninjitsu, the Superman clones all get one-shotted.

#91 Edited by OverLordArhas (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

Due to the law of Conservation of Ninjitsu, the Superman clones all get one-shotted.

GOOD ONE, but I think that the clones are the genetic breed one. LOLZ

#92 Posted by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

@sideslash said:

Due to the law of Conservation of Ninjitsu, the Superman clones all get one-shotted.

GOOD ONE, but I think that the clones are the genetic breed one. LOLZ

You apparently don't understand what I mean.

Here.

#93 Posted by OverLordArhas (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas said:

@sideslash said:

Due to the law of Conservation of Ninjitsu, the Superman clones all get one-shotted.

GOOD ONE, but I think that the clones are the genetic breed one. LOLZ

You apparently don't understand what I mean.

Here.

OHhhhhh..Learned something new (Trope Name).

Conservation of Ninjitsu=cannon fodder

Thanks

#94 Posted by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: No problem.

Think of it this way:

More enemies, less threat.

Or imagine it as an equation of threat per mook. As the number of mooks go up, the threat per mook decreases.

#95 Posted by OverLordArhas (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: No problem.

Think of it this way:

More enemies, less threat.

Or imagine it as an equation of threat per mook. As the number of mooks go up, the threat per mook decreases.

Yeah they do not have the experience of the real Supes.

#96 Posted by Sideslash (5907 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: Experience sometimes has nothing to do with it.

Just think Sentinels, or the Hand, or HYDRA.

In small groups they cause some trouble, in larger groups they cause approximately the same challenge, regardless of their massively huger numbers.

#97 Posted by xmenhulk (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Legion , Franklin Richards , Scarlet Witch, Captain Universe , Monica Rambeau

Cloak , Quasar, Nova, Kiden Nixon ,Lacuna , Tempus ,Ice Man ,Vulcan , Rachel Grey

X-Man, Darwin ,Emma Frost ,Manifold FTW.

#98 Posted by OverLordArhas (7670 posts) - - Show Bio

@overlordarhas: Experience sometimes has nothing to do with it.

Just think Sentinels, or the Hand, or HYDRA.

In small groups they cause some trouble, in larger groups they cause approximately the same challenge, regardless of their massively huger numbers.

Got your point, but it is still tiring.

If we compare it to a video game, it comes down to button mashing rather than skill.

#99 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17154 posts) - - Show Bio

Destroyer solos sooner or later. Darwin solos. Pulsar solos. Gaea should solo. We could try to bring all demons that can't be affected by Supermen, but Pulsar and Darwin are actually enough.

#100 Posted by ImNemotheGemini (845 posts) - - Show Bio

Flight speed does not equal battle speed ! 100 Supes will not be flying 28 times the speed of light in an enclosed arena while zig zagging around each other !