I admitt its not as good as the other Dark Knight film, but I liked it though because of Bane.
Why did people dislike The Dark Knight Rises alot?
At first i hated that movie but after watching it again i think it was a good ending even though the john blske thing but i relize that was the way for Nolan to introduce a Robin into his universe so i think even tho it was a a ending that i never wanted to see it was a great ending for his story and a lot of people think he never stead true to the comics but he used Year one dead man land and the dark knight returns for his movies so really looking at his trilogy it was such a great look at the dark knights story and a great take on making it into a movie. so if you love the movies dont let people change your view.
@HulkSlayerT1000: I believe thats the thing about Nolan's Batman. The major reason we enjoyed the trilogy is because of the villains. Of course we love Batman... But this Batman had too many flaws...
But higly entertaining movies. The Dark Knight is a classic!
I disliked it because Bruce should have trained with a master to better his fighting after Bane broke him and he should have used gadgets to defeat Bane instead of trying the same lame hand-to-hand moves he tried on him in their first fight.
Also most, if not all, of this:
I didnt hate it but I did think it was the worst of the trilogy. Bane for me wasnt brilliant and I think the pacing was off.
Im hoping for the reboot hey take a step back from the hyper realism we got in this trilogy. I would love to see a Batman with a bit more of the skill that we see in the comics or animated series/movies. Nolan's Batman to me never felt graceful and while he was stealthy it was never really shown all that well. One thing I did hate in all 3 movies though was the fighting, they just all felt like slow fist fights.
@DeathpooltheT1000: The Avengers delivered on everything it promised, every one I've seen complaining about it seem to have expected an oscar worthy film but any rational person knew from the outset that it was going to be a pure popcorn movie and it did that very well.
As for TDKR I didn't hate it, it was a great movie I just felt it had potential to be greater and the Robin thing at the end was completely unnecessary.
Bruce should have trained with a master to better his fighting after Bane broke him and he should have used gadgets to defeat Bane instead of trying the same lame hand-to-hand moves he tried on him in their first fight.
To be fair, time wasn't on his side in this case. Wholeheartedly agreed with the latter, though.
@HulkSlayerT1000:
I didn't hate it, but I do have reasons for why it's not my most favorite movie. The big three are:
Plot Holes - The most glaring one, of course, is the desert scene. TDK had one like that too, when Joker was in the penthouse and Batman doesn't try to go back to get him, but the desert one was just really, really, bad.
Left Field Romance - The crazy, out of nowhere, sex scene with Marion Cotillard. They had been grooming Bruce/Batman from the beginning to be with Selina, it was obvious. This was just out of nowhere and really didn't do anything for me or the movie.
Bane is Just a Pawn - All that buildup and work and it turns out it wasn't even Bane's master plot, but Talia's! They even kind of shove it in at the last five seconds. I dunno, that just really irked me.
There are more things, like John Blake's reason for knowing Bruce was Batman, but those are the three that get under my skin the most. It's still a good movie to me, for what it's worth, but it just wasn't a fitting end to the trilogy in my opinion. Maybe it was just my own absurdly high expectations for the movie, but can you really blame the fans for having those expectations when Nolan set the bar so high himself?
Bruce had to ramp up TWICE to Batman who was onscreen for all of 20 minutes of a 3 hour movie. Oh and then plot holes on plot holes on plot holes. Seems like Nolan tried too hard to make a psychological movie and bombed.
I didn't think it was as good as TDK but hey, it's still a good ending to the trilogy in my eyes. As for why other people didn't like it, all i have to say is different stroke for different blokes.
We can type what we hated or disliked, but we cant argue that, that movie made more than one billion.... But it was my least fav of the three, bat begins is my number one pick.
For me Batman's fighting style was just way too pedestrian. From the source material Bats is like a double ninja. He vanishes and reappears seemingly from thin air and he swings and flips around enough to make Spiderman envy. In the movie - most noticibly against Bane in the first fight that everyone creams over - he was just kind of standing there brawling. The suit looks stiff like a suit of armor. I just didn't get that exhilarated feeling I usually get when they nail the comic character on screen (Hulk, Iron Man, and even Captain America seemed like they leapt off the page into the movie). I shouldn't have to look at it a certain way or realize what Nolan is 'going for'. It should all be right up there on screen.
@Target_X said:
@HulkSlayerT1000:
I didn't hate it, but I do have reasons for why it's not my most favorite movie. The big three are:
Plot Holes - The most glaring one, of course, is the desert scene. TDK had one like that too, when Joker was in the penthouse and Batman doesn't try to go back to get him, but the desert one was just really, really, bad.
Left Field Romance - The crazy, out of nowhere, sex scene with Marion Cotillard. They had been grooming Bruce/Batman from the beginning to be with Selina, it was obvious. This was just out of nowhere and really didn't do anything for me or the movie.
Bane is Just a Pawn - All that buildup and work and it turns out it wasn't even Bane's master plot, but Talia's! They even kind of shove it in at the last five seconds. I dunno, that just really irked me.
There are more things, like John Blake's reason for knowing Bruce was Batman, but those are the three that get under my skin the most. It's still a good movie to me, for what it's worth, but it just wasn't a fitting end to the trilogy in my opinion. Maybe it was just my own absurdly high expectations for the movie, but can you really blame the fans for having those expectations when Nolan set the bar so high himself?
I agree with everything you said except Bane was way badder ass and I was kinda glade he revealed Batmans Identity. lol It was just weird how Bruce Wayne kep him being the real Batman secret, but at the same time it was understandable. Probably so no one would question the crap out of him and have several microphones in his face at once.
The way the movie went as the third batman movie it felt off. Batman had his training ready in the first movie. He had experience fighting suppervillains was now chase by police in the second. We expect to him to be fully prepared in the third movie but he was crippled he was out of shape and lost his will to fight. This should be when batman goes overkill where he let needs to lighten up.
It does not help that everyone is useless except the main characters I thought we were over this by now.
The Dark Knight Rises was good movie but it felt like bad continuation. After some time pass you will start see the flaws and the good parts that go along with it. Just like all the other Batman movies.
@TheSwordsman said:
I disliked it because Bruce should have trained with a master to better his fighting after Bane broke him and he should have used gadgets to defeat Bane instead of trying the same lame hand-to-hand moves he tried on him in their first fight.
Also most, if not all, of this:
Most of these are explainable*, except the back thing and the tunnel.
It was good but it was not as exiting and thrilling as the dark knight i mean ok i was surprised to see bane but i wish they put in another classic batman villan i mean the dark knight had two face in it too now thats exiting so it was trying to be exiting but i really did not exite use as they expected maybe if they put in clay face or the riddler that would of been cool.
@Target_X said:
@HulkSlayerT1000:
I didn't hate it, but I do have reasons for why it's not my most favorite movie. The big three are:
Plot Holes - The most glaring one, of course, is the desert scene. TDK had one like that too, when Joker was in the penthouse and Batman doesn't try to go back to get him, but the desert one was just really, really, bad.
Left Field Romance - The crazy, out of nowhere, sex scene with Marion Cotillard. They had been grooming Bruce/Batman from the beginning to be with Selina, it was obvious. This was just out of nowhere and really didn't do anything for me or the movie.
Bane is Just a Pawn - All that buildup and work and it turns out it wasn't even Bane's master plot, but Talia's! They even kind of shove it in at the last five seconds. I dunno, that just really irked me.
There are more things, like John Blake's reason for knowing Bruce was Batman, but those are the three that get under my skin the most. It's still a good movie to me, for what it's worth, but it just wasn't a fitting end to the trilogy in my opinion. Maybe it was just my own absurdly high expectations for the movie, but can you really blame the fans for having those expectations when Nolan set the bar so high himself?
this pretty much summed it up.
@Mediumguy said:
@TheSwordsman said:
I disliked it because Bruce should have trained with a master to better his fighting after Bane broke him and he should have used gadgets to defeat Bane instead of trying the same lame hand-to-hand moves he tried on him in their first fight.
Also most, if not all, of this:
Most of these are explainable*, except the back thing and the tunnel.
Wrong. Most are not explainable except by poor writing, directing, and being delusional:
zero security at the Wayne mansion,
The misspelling of heist as hiest in the newspaper,
him not using Batman voice in hospital even though he is wearing a ski mask to hide his identity,
cops should be able to trace a cellphone without a call being made,
Batman getting pick-pocketed,
Alfred suddenly knowing everything about bane,
Daytime when they go in the tunnel/night time when they come out seconds later,
several guys falling down for no reason
using batman voice to talk to himself (yet doesn.t use it in ski mask as noted above)
Illegal stock trades made during and armed takeover are allowed to stand
Bane hits air and batman goes down, lots of times
Bane knows exactly where the r&D lab is even though it is off the books
every available cop sent down to the sewers at once
doctor turns reactor to nuke in 2 minutes flat
U.S government does nothing to help gotham
Why is bane feeding and keeping the trap police alive?
You fix a broken back with a knee to the spine?
Bruce gets crucial plot details from his won hallucinatio of ras al ghul
Bruce destroys his only way of knowing whats going on in gotham
He says count to five and throw the grenade but the grenade blows up in 3 seconds
Cops with batons rush guys with machine guns and tanks and most don't die
no radiation fallout from the nuclear blast and no procedures for escaping said radiation
No one noticed the most famous recent dead person (bruce wayne) sitting at a cafe in broad daylight
The cars in the tunnel could have been easily climbed over.
Why didn't they blow up a major bridge?
Nolan wanted to create a realistci Batman, and he succeeded. He took many elements from the comics and incorporated in his films very well. TDKR had flaws, but TDK had flaws too, as well as BB. Maggie Ghyllenhal was atrocious in TDK but TDKR had a larger cast that could act well. TDK also had Ledger's memorable acting as the Joker, and with such a great performance it is hard to see the flaws it has. TDKR many things were rushed, but it never felt overly long. it was a 2 hour and 45 minute movie, but i never knew how or when it was going to end. It is in that suspense, that TDKR becomes a really good film. YOu never knew how it was going to end, (unlike Avengers though having great graphics, and great directional authority from Whedon, had the plot explained to you in the first trailer). Would i had preferred John Blake, be Dick Grayson or Tim Drake, ya but John Blake was a man who was made up of several of the Robins qualities. Dick was a cop, Tim decifered Batman's ID like nothing, and Jason was rash and a bit untempered, while all had parents that were dead. There were lines that made me cringe, certain things that were rushed, but the message of the film was undeniable. Batman had become a symbol, a symbol for Gotham, and anyone could become him if they had what it took. Bruce began that legacy, with John taking up the reigns, and Nolan gave Bruce a happy ending (which no Batman writer or director has done). I left that theatre satisfied beyond all belief, and accepted that film as a worthy and epic tale. Individually, all the films are different with themes, characters, and plot points, but together they are a monumental achievement for Batman.
well thats my two cents :P
I'm pretty sure most people liked it actually, although they most seem to say it wasn't as amazing as TDK which I agree with. There's many things I believe could have been done better and most of the complaints I had are here. A lot of my problems came from Bane to be honest. His voice was driving me nuts, that mask looks weird and he's dressed sort of like an average thug but those are all small ones. My big one with him was how at the end he's suddenly just Talia's protector. Idk, maybe Ledger's Joker just left our expectations too high for the next villain.
Overall though it was still a fun movie that I'll be adding to my blu ray collection soon enough.
@TheSwordsman said:
@Mediumguy said:
@TheSwordsman said:
I disliked it because Bruce should have trained with a master to better his fighting after Bane broke him and he should have used gadgets to defeat Bane instead of trying the same lame hand-to-hand moves he tried on him in their first fight.
Also most, if not all, of this:
Most of these are explainable*, except the back thing and the tunnel.
Wrong. Most are not explainable except by poor writing, directing, and being delusional:
zero security at the Wayne mansion,
The misspelling of heist as hiest in the newspaper,
him not using Batman voice in hospital even though he is wearing a ski mask to hide his identity,
cops should be able to trace a cellphone without a call being made,
Batman getting pick-pocketed,
Alfred suddenly knowing everything about bane,
Daytime when they go in the tunnel/night time when they come out seconds later,
several guys falling down for no reason
using batman voice to talk to himself (yet doesn.t use it in ski mask as noted above)
Illegal stock trades made during and armed takeover are allowed to stand
Bane hits air and batman goes down, lots of times
Bane knows exactly where the r&D lab is even though it is off the books
every available cop sent down to the sewers at once
doctor turns reactor to nuke in 2 minutes flat
U.S government does nothing to help gotham
Why is bane feeding and keeping the trap police alive?
You fix a broken back with a knee to the spine?
Bruce gets crucial plot details from his won hallucinatio of ras al ghul
Bruce destroys his only way of knowing whats going on in gotham
He says count to five and throw the grenade but the grenade blows up in 3 seconds
Cops with batons rush guys with machine guns and tanks and most don't die
no radiation fallout from the nuclear blast and no procedures for escaping said radiation
No one noticed the most famous recent dead person (bruce wayne) sitting at a cafe in broad daylight
The cars in the tunnel could have been easily climbed over.
Why didn't they blow up a major bridge?
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@Mediumguy said:
@TheSwordsman said:
I disliked it because Bruce should have trained with a master to better his fighting after Bane broke him and he should have used gadgets to defeat Bane instead of trying the same lame hand-to-hand moves he tried on him in their first fight.
Also most, if not all, of this:
Most of these are explainable*, except the back thing and the tunnel.
Here we your gripes and my explanations... this is fun.
zero security at the Wayne mansion: It was a closed wing of the mansion.
The misspelling of heist as hiest in the newspaper: Typos do get through sometimes
him not using Batman voice in hospital even though he is wearing a ski mask to hide his identity: Would you use your Aggressive crime fighting voice when a close ally is laying there wounded.
cops should be able to trace a cellphone without a call being made: I have no idea if this is true so I'll give you that.
Batman getting pick-pocketed: Selina Kyle is a master thief.
Alfred suddenly knowing everything about bane: Alfred is ex-government and Bruce Wayne has many ways to gather info especially with his resources
Daytime when they go in the tunnel/night time when they come out seconds later. : True
several guys falling down for no reason: Exhaustion lol I don't know
using batman voice to talk to himself (yet doesn.t use it in ski mask as noted above): Being Batman is a mindset, in the comics he does the same thing
Illegal stock trades made during and armed takeover are allowed to stand: Lucius explained that in the long run they can get them reversed but for THE TIME BEING he was broke
Bane hits air and batman goes down, lots of times: Bane can clearly knock people down by imaginary force.
Bane knows exactly where the r&D lab is even though it is off the books: I've been thinking about this and if Norman Reese can discover the Tumbler files it's only a bit of hard work/checking construction to discover something big enough to hold these items.
every available cop sent down to the sewers at once
doctor turns reactor to nuke in 2 minutes flat: We don't know how long they were there.
U.S government does nothing to help gotham: They can't help Gotham or Bane would detonate the bomb...did you even watch the movie?
Why is bane feeding and keeping the trap police alive? You missed the whole hope monologue?
You fix a broken back with a knee to the spine? He was there for 5 months but yea it still is a spinal injury
Bruce gets crucial plot details from his won hallucinatio of ras al ghul: That was his mind working things out.
Bruce destroys his only way of knowing whats going on in gotham: I dunno I have a reason for this but it's debatable
He says count to five and throw the grenade but the grenade blows up in 3 seconds:
Cops with batons rush guys with machine guns and tanks and most don't die: Think about it like this they did just unleash prisoners who may or may not know how to handle a gun.
no radiation fallout from the nuclear blast and no procedures for escaping said radiation:...Screw logic
No one noticed the most famous recent dead person (bruce wayne) sitting at a cafe in broad daylight
The cars in the tunnel could have been easily climbed over.: Government had the area of Gotham closed off.
Why didn't they blow up a major bridge?: They did, all the over bridges out of Gotham were blown up.
Minor plot holes, and banes death. But every movie had plot holes. Most people actullay liked it though. It was critically acclaimed. Only comic fans and nitpickers hate it.
Because people are allergic to awesome movies.
lol this.
I had some problems with the movie but I liked it.
I thought it was a great movie, was built up incredibly well and was a good conclusion to the best trilogy of all time
People are just way too harsh and overly dramatic when hating this movie (probably butthurt marvel fanboys), most people I know loved it-me included
Felt rushed lots of scenes seemed irrelevant and unnecessary.Bane wasnt even huge his arms looked small and even with the rest of his body. So Glad we're passed this whole nolan thing now,time to see Batman really kick ass.
I dislike the entire trilogy. If that guy were anyone but Bane it would have been pretty cool. As a villian he was tight but the movie itself felt rushed and left behind most of what previous installments have. The story really didn't make much sense in the slightest and characterization was gone in the wind.
Felt rushed lots of scenes seemed irrelevant and unnecessary.Bane wasnt even huge his arms looked small and even with the rest of his body. So Glad we're passed this whole nolan thing now,time to see Batman really kick ass.
This is why people hate Rises,it lacks fan service that most comic book fans want in their movies.
I dislike the entire trilogy. If that guy were anyone but Bane it would have been pretty cool. As a villian he was tight but the movie itself felt rushed and left behind most of what previous installments have. The story really didn't make much sense in the slightest and characterization was gone in the wind.
Care to explain?
The ending was sh*t plot holes show up left and right bane Apparently just wanted love I knew that miranda would turn out to be talia based off the fact they randomly had sex alfred drops the fact that rachel left him a letter 5 years after the fact every cop under the sewers the entire prison and many more
I didn't hate it, but I still think the first two are a lot better. I think its a good move but not one of my favorites.
@rustyroy: Funny thing,i fvcking loved the movie,and cried at the end.
It's one of my favorite superhero movies.
Sue me,right? :P
I think it depends on how much you love the character.
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