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#1 Posted by dngn4774 (2770 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before but besides the Joker, which villain is Batman's next best arch-nemesis and why?

#2 Edited by pretur22 (137 posts) - - Show Bio

ra's al ghul

#3 Posted by BaneStrokeLoboGrundyBatArrow (1391 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane

#4 Posted by BatWatch (2366 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, this has definitely been asked before though perhaps not recently on this particular forum. Most will say Bane since he broke the bat. Scarecrow, Ra's and Two-Face and Two-Face always get some nods. As for which villain is most entertaining, I'd say Two-Face when well written. As for who is the greatest threat, I'd say Ra's since he could easily undermine all Bruce has created. As for best villain, I, and I alone, would actually say Penguin since he is the only one who routinely gets away with his crimes.

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#5 Posted by AweSam (7373 posts) - - Show Bio

Bane

#6 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32813 posts) - - Show Bio

When is the last time Two Face actually did anything of significance?

#7 Posted by The_Tree (7231 posts) - - Show Bio

Right now, I'd say Talia's pretty high up there.

#8 Edited by dngn4774 (2770 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Not trying to be biased here but couldn't the same be said about Bane? He has one amazing feat in Knightfall and has been a bit of a lame rouge ever since.

#9 Posted by czechoslovakia (93 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's in my opinion

#10 Posted by JamesKM716 (1992 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's is probably Batman's greatest enemy other than Joker. Hush is on the list too. Here's how I'd put it:

  1. The Joker
  2. Ra's al Ghul
  3. Two-Face
  4. The Penguin
  5. Hush
  6. Bane
  7. The Riddler
  8. Poison Ivy
  9. Mr. Freeze
  10. The Scarecrow
#11 Posted by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

The Joker, since he is his own worst enemy.

In any other case, Ras or the Riddler.

#12 Edited by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously Kite Man.

Pure evil.

#13 Edited by entropy_aegis (14377 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's al Ghul.

@dngn4774 said:

@jonny_anonymous: Not trying to be biased here but couldn't the same be said about Bane? He has one amazing feat in Knightfall and has been a bit of a lame rouge ever since.

Nope the same cant be said for Bane cause Bane is consistent,unlike Harvey Bane is evenly matched with Batman overall if you take their encounters in to consideration.

#14 Posted by RustyRoy (11057 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's is probably Batman's greatest enemy other than Joker. Hush is on the list too. Here's how I'd put it:

  1. The Joker
  2. Ra's al Ghul
  3. Two-Face
  4. The Penguin
  5. Hush
  6. Bane
  7. The Riddler
  8. Poison Ivy
  9. Mr. Freeze
  10. The Scarecrow

This, just switch Poison Ivy with Mr. Freeze. Ra's Al Ghul is definitely second.

#15 Posted by Calvalier (50 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's no doubt.

#16 Posted by AllStarSuperman (20145 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman

#17 Edited by spidermonkey2099 (614 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's al Ghul because he is Batman's equal in many ways. Both are highly intelligent, highly skilled in combat, and have vast resources (money/power).

#18 Posted by Dernman (14752 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's al Ghul

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#19 Posted by ZombieMowlcher (677 posts) - - Show Bio

Hugo Strange

#20 Edited by ngroove (321 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin.

Ra's? Sorry people, he's a great, although boring, character and all, but there's like one Ra's story over the years, between every six Jokers, three-four Riddlers / Two-Faces / Scarecrows, and recent and for several years, seven-eight Penguins. Even Clayface, whom I definitely would not say is Bats' greatest foe, due to his brutish nature, like Penguin, has lately been seen almost every month somewhere, while Ra's? Until Batman Incorporated 10, last seen to my knowledge, issue 2, and did not do anything remotely menacing to Bats in both!

#21 Edited by DeathpooltheT1000 (9503 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously Kite Man.

Pure evil.

The face of evil

Still not even close.

Comdiment King

Crazy Quilt, ok maybe he is a Robin Villain.

#22 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce Wayne's greatest enemy is Alfred Pennyworth, who rather than seeking psychiatric help for his adoptive son who was suffering post-traumatic stress after watching his biological parents gunned down in front of him, encouraged Bruce to dress up like a bat and beat up the poor, the deformed, and the mentally ill.

#23 Posted by spidermanandsuperman (277 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarecrow

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#24 Posted by batshrine (969 posts) - - Show Bio

This is an odd question seeing that its assuming Batman's number one villain has been decided.

#25 Posted by RustyRoy (11057 posts) - - Show Bio

This is an odd question seeing that its assuming Batman's number one villain has been decided.

pretty much everyone considers Joker as his no 1 enemy. Who do you consider he's 1,2,3?

#26 Posted by mtrakos (563 posts) - - Show Bio

Ras

#27 Posted by batshrine (969 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: I honestly think Batman's number one villain is Ra's. But number one can mean so many things. Over all though I definitely think Ra's is number one.

#28 Edited by RustyRoy (11057 posts) - - Show Bio

@rustyroy: I honestly think Batman's number one villain is Ra's. But number one can mean so many things. Over all though I definitely think Ra's is number one.

Yeah he's definitely one of Batman's most dangerous foes.

#29 Posted by TDK_1997 (14456 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's al Ghul or Bane.

#30 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (11127 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna with Ra's al Ghul. Maybe even Talia since she's heavily vilified in Batman, INC.

#31 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774 said:

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before but besides the Joker, which villain is Batman's next best arch-nemesis and why?

- You're posing this question as if the joker is Batman's best arch-nemesis for a fact and not an opinion. Cute.

- I'd say Bane was his best arch-nemesis, and i mean best and not "second best" or "next best". I couldn't care less about some idiotic illogical clown.

#32 Posted by LaserLambert (635 posts) - - Show Bio

Penguin.

#33 Posted by LyraFay (2473 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's Al Ghul, his ideals of basically destroying the world when he claims to be protecting it is a good opposing force to his. But Two-Face reveals his nature of duality which is also deadly. Then there is Scarecrow, whose using Batman's idea of fear but putting it to full extremes. So I would think those three. But Riddler's constantly toying with his mental state much like the Joker is also deadly.

So maybe

  1. Joker
  2. Ra's Al Ghul
  3. Two-Face
  4. Scarcrow
  5. Riddler
#34 Edited by CheeseSticks (2383 posts) - - Show Bio

It's between Two-Face, Ra's and Penguin. I find Ra's probably the most boring even though he's dangerous. Penguin is one of the oldest foes of the Bat and he's underrated as hell. Two-Face is probably my second Batman greatest enemy: He is by far a better character than Ra's and the Penguin and he bring drama.

So i'd say :

  1. The Joker (No contest)
  2. Two-Face
  3. The Penguin
  4. Ra's al Ghul
  5. Bane (Knightfall is his only real feat against the Bat)
  6. Riddler (Was not written as a good villain for many years)
  7. Black Mask (Killed a robin and he is the most dark and sadistic rogue)
  8. Hush (I found Hush and House of Hush pretty good but he is too new has a villain)
  9. Ivy
  10. Scarecrow (Same has the Riddler, Cilian Murphy and Arkham Asylum version are awesome though)

I'm sorry for all the Ra's fan but i've read every stories about him and he is just so boring. But i know he is very dangerous.

#35 Posted by BatWatch (2366 posts) - - Show Bio

It's between Two-Face, Ra's and Penguin. I find Ra's probably the most boring even though he's dangerous. Penguin is one of the oldest foes of the Bat and he's underrated as hell. Two-Face is probably my second Batman greatest enemy: He is by far a better character than Ra's and the Penguin and he bring drama.

So i'd say :

  1. The Joker (No contest)
  2. Two-Face
  3. The Penguin
  4. Ra's al Ghul
  5. Bane (Knightfall is his only real feat against the Bat)
  6. Riddler (Was not written as a good villain for many years)
  7. Black Mask (Killed a robin and he is the most dark and sadistic rogue)
  8. Hush (I found Hush and House of Hush pretty good but he is too new has a villain)
  9. Ivy
  10. Scarecrow (Same has the Riddler, Cilian Murphy and Arkham Asylum version are awesome though)

I'm sorry for all the Ra's fan but i've read every stories about him and he is just so boring. But i know he is very dangerous.

Ha! That's almost exactly what I said in comment 4.

#36 Edited by Wboy (442 posts) - - Show Bio

Harper Row. Cuz she gross.

#37 Posted by sinestro_GL (3066 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe Hush...Ra's is a good choice, but he's motive is to destroy mankind...Hush wants to destroy Bruce Wayne's and Batman's legacy. Considering that other villains don't know his secret identity, and other villains haven't known Bruce since his school days, Hush is a good answer.

#38 Edited by entropy_aegis (14377 posts) - - Show Bio

@ngroove said:

Penguin.

Ra's? Sorry people, he's a great, although boring, character and all, but there's like one Ra's story over the years, between every six Jokers, three-four Riddlers / Two-Faces / Scarecrows, and recent and for several years, seven-eight Penguins. Even Clayface, whom I definitely would not say is Bats' greatest foe, due to his brutish nature, like Penguin, has lately been seen almost every month somewhere, while Ra's? Until Batman Incorporated 10, last seen to my knowledge, issue 2, and did not do anything remotely menacing to Bats in both!

Um what exactly is this supposed to mean? having a break between stories actually gives the villain credibility.Penguin may appear often but last time I checked Ogivly humiliated him and he was also only a sidekick in DOTF.

@rustyroy: I honestly think Batman's number one villain is Ra's. But number one can mean so many things. Over all though I definitely think Ra's is number one.

@dngn4774 said:

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before but besides the Joker, which villain is Batman's next best arch-nemesis and why?

- You're posing this question as if the joker is Batman's best arch-nemesis for a fact and not an opinion. Cute.

- I'd say Bane was his best arch-nemesis, and i mean best and not "second best" or "next best". I couldn't care less about some idiotic illogical clown.

Yes the Joker is the greatest Batman villain of them all,this is not even up for debate,mind you I personally much prefer Bane(Joker fatigue here).

It's between Two-Face, Ra's and Penguin. I find Ra's probably the most boring even though he's dangerous. Penguin is one of the oldest foes of the Bat and he's underrated as hell. Two-Face is probably my second Batman greatest enemy: He is by far a better character than Ra's and the Penguin and he bring drama.

So i'd say :

  1. The Joker (No contest)
  2. Two-Face
  3. The Penguin
  4. Ra's al Ghul
  5. Bane (Knightfall is his only real feat against the Bat)
  6. Riddler (Was not written as a good villain for many years)
  7. Black Mask (Killed a robin and he is the most dark and sadistic rogue)
  8. Hush (I found Hush and House of Hush pretty good but he is too new has a villain)
  9. Ivy
  10. Scarecrow (Same has the Riddler, Cilian Murphy and Arkham Asylum version are awesome though)

I'm sorry for all the Ra's fan but i've read every stories about him and he is just so boring. But i know he is very dangerous.

If Bane loses out by virtue of having supposedly only one good outing(which is false) then Two-face loses out too cause his showings dont even come close to that one.

#39 Edited by MartianManhunterIsBetterThanCyborg (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathpoolthet1000 said:

@martianmanhunterisbetterthancy said:

Obviously Kite Man.

Pure evil.

The face of evil

Still not even close.

Comdiment King

Crazy Quilt, ok maybe he is a Robin Villain.

Good god, it's too much evil for this world to comprehend. That's why these guys are severely underrated.

#40 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_tree said:

Right now, I'd say Talia's pretty high up there.

Yeah, she's definitely evolved from her O'Neil days.

#41 Edited by CheeseSticks (2383 posts) - - Show Bio

@ngroove said:

Penguin.

Ra's? Sorry people, he's a great, although boring, character and all, but there's like one Ra's story over the years, between every six Jokers, three-four Riddlers / Two-Faces / Scarecrows, and recent and for several years, seven-eight Penguins. Even Clayface, whom I definitely would not say is Bats' greatest foe, due to his brutish nature, like Penguin, has lately been seen almost every month somewhere, while Ra's? Until Batman Incorporated 10, last seen to my knowledge, issue 2, and did not do anything remotely menacing to Bats in both!

Um what exactly is this supposed to mean? having a break between stories actually gives the villain credibility.Penguin may appear often but last time I checked Ogivly humiliated him and he was also only a sidekick in DOTF.

@batshrine said:

@rustyroy: I honestly think Batman's number one villain is Ra's. But number one can mean so many things. Over all though I definitely think Ra's is number one.

@thejman251 said:

@dngn4774 said:

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before but besides the Joker, which villain is Batman's next best arch-nemesis and why?

- You're posing this question as if the joker is Batman's best arch-nemesis for a fact and not an opinion. Cute.

- I'd say Bane was his best arch-nemesis, and i mean best and not "second best" or "next best". I couldn't care less about some idiotic illogical clown.

Yes the Joker is the greatest Batman villain of them all,this is not even up for debate,mind you I personally much prefer Bane(Joker fatigue here).

@cheesesticks said:

It's between Two-Face, Ra's and Penguin. I find Ra's probably the most boring even though he's dangerous. Penguin is one of the oldest foes of the Bat and he's underrated as hell. Two-Face is probably my second Batman greatest enemy: He is by far a better character than Ra's and the Penguin and he bring drama.

So i'd say :

  1. The Joker (No contest)
  2. Two-Face
  3. The Penguin
  4. Ra's al Ghul
  5. Bane (Knightfall is his only real feat against the Bat)
  6. Riddler (Was not written as a good villain for many years)
  7. Black Mask (Killed a robin and he is the most dark and sadistic rogue)
  8. Hush (I found Hush and House of Hush pretty good but he is too new has a villain)
  9. Ivy
  10. Scarecrow (Same has the Riddler, Cilian Murphy and Arkham Asylum version are awesome though)

I'm sorry for all the Ra's fan but i've read every stories about him and he is just so boring. But i know he is very dangerous.

If Bane loses out by virtue of having supposedly only one good outing(which is false) then Two-face loses out too cause his showings dont even come close to that one.

Bane had great feats in Knightfall and that's it. Vengeance of Bane was not a great story for him because he got humiliated by Batman. Secret Six was awesome but don't get me wrong, the subject is the second best Batman villain and not the strongest villain. We can't take his feat in Secret Six because it was not against the Bat. Finally, his new 52 version is horrible.

Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Faces and Face the face >>> Knightfall IMO

Two-Face also has a dramatic connection with Bruce and it bring better stories.

If you can give me some other stories where Bane fight Bruce, then i shall reconsider my opinion. Until then, Two-Face is the second greatest villain of Batman IMO.

#42 Posted by entropy_aegis (14377 posts) - - Show Bio

@cheesesticks: I'm not sure what your trying to prove by bringing up those stories,nothing Harvey did in any of those arcs comes remotely close to what Bane did in Knightfall,Legacy(Bane of the Demon,Bane),Azrael and Vengeance of Bane(1 and 2).

Also I'm not sure what Vengeance of Bane you're referring to cause Batman has never humiliated Bane aside from the terrible Superman/Batman series which was non canon.

New-52 Bane is pretty cool actually when he's written by Tynion and not David Finch(who I'm pretty sure wrote a lousy Two-face,or should I say One-face).

Face the Face was an average story,TLH and DV are Jeph Loebs non sense mystery stories with entire scenes ripped from the Godfather franchise and Silence of the Lambs.Not to mention they're practically the same stories,atleast Bane stories are original.

#43 Posted by General_Disarray (90 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

Ra's.

Bane is third, but he's a bit too perfect as a villain. Though it's impressive that he's stayed relevant while his "counterparts" in Venom and Doomsday stopped mattering years ago.

#45 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

s number one.

@thejman251 said:

@dngn4774 said:

I'm not sure if this question has been asked before but besides the Joker, which villain is Batman's next best arch-nemesis and why?

- You're posing this question as if the joker is Batman's best arch-nemesis for a fact and not an opinion. Cute.

- I'd say Bane was his best arch-nemesis, and i mean best and not "second best" or "next best". I couldn't care less about some idiotic illogical clown.

Yes the Joker is the greatest Batman villain of them all,this is not even up for debate,mind you I personally much prefer Bane(Joker fatigue here).

- Actually it is up for debate as is any opinion sir.

- Greatest is subjective and ambiguous, get over it.

- It will never be a fact regardless of how much you want it to be because it's an opinion.

#46 Posted by entropy_aegis (14377 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Posted by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman251: It's not an opinion kiddo,it's fact.

- An opinion is fact kiddo?

- You're logic is clearly incorrect here, but since it's a "fact" go ahead and prove it kid.

- As if the word greatest weren't subjective and ambiguous. What inane drivel.

#48 Posted by dngn4774 (2770 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: I'd have to agree.

@thejman251: I suppose it was unfair to use such a broad term for this question but that's how you get a wider variety of answers. When I say "greatest arch-nemesis" I don't focus solely on physical or mental prowess, I meant it to be more symbolic and being that the Joker stands for everything that the Batman is against I consider him to be the Batman's greatest arch-nemesis. The beauty of Batman's rogue gallery is that each villain has their own unique theme that makes them appeal to separate fan bases (Joker=chaos; Scarecrow=fear; Two-Face= dual natures of man; etc.)

#49 Edited by thejman251 (435 posts) - - Show Bio

@dngn4774 said:

@entropy_aegis: I'd have to agree.

@thejman251: I suppose it was unfair to use such a broad term for this question but that's how you get a wider variety of answers. When I say "greatest arch-nemesis" I don't focus solely on physical or mental prowess, I meant it to be more symbolic and being that the Joker stands for everything that the Batman is against I consider him to be the Batman's greatest arch-nemesis. The beauty of Batman's rogue gallery is that each villain has their own unique theme that makes them appeal to separate fan bases (Joker=chaos; Scarecrow=fear; Two-Face= dual natures of man; etc.)

- Well that is your opinion and while i don't necessarily agree, i can respect it.

- What i don't respect is some child claiming that his opinion is a fact, or that any opinion is a fact for that matter.

#50 Edited by Arkhamc1tizen (2116 posts) - - Show Bio

ra's al ghul and riddler